Lightning Roulette, yeah keep playing it
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Stevej
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What connects every ”defender” here: 1) worked in the industry 2) putting every person (who question these games) to the same tinfoil category 3) repeating the same thing over and over again: casinos do not need to rig the games 4) taking the conversation out of this impossible physical scenario, not analysing the actual event at all 5) being naive as fuck while trying to be smart
Sorry, but it doesn’t work.
Legal in USA. Yes. Evolution is not a live casino. It’s the evolution of legalized live casino working like slot machines. They can still try to hide it.
Somebody asked why aren’t we talking about rigged slots? Fucking stupid question but I’ll answer. The answer is that in these live games you notice all this shit happening because they should be live games. In slots it’s all software and you wil never know what’s happening under the hood.
Sorry, but it doesn’t work.
Legal in USA. Yes. Evolution is not a live casino. It’s the evolution of legalized live casino working like slot machines. They can still try to hide it.
Somebody asked why aren’t we talking about rigged slots? Fucking stupid question but I’ll answer. The answer is that in these live games you notice all this shit happening because they should be live games. In slots it’s all software and you wil never know what’s happening under the hood.
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joshnadin
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Only two people here are stating to have worked in the industry. I'm not defending anything, I'm applying logic and common sense to a scenario. I don't care if a certain provider is rigged or not. Fuck, I wish it was rigged! The amount of money I could make exposing them would set me up for life.
Plus, we know what we're talking about. Do you know how many people are employed by these organisations? Don't tell me that not one person would know the 'truth' and not expose them.
No one said you're not allowed to question anything. Questioning things is good, and no one should ever just take things at face value in life.
It's when you're getting to the point of questioning gravity in the Evo studios, Steve. It's the absolutely insane accusations and wild theories.
When you act like the people who think 5G is a mind control technology, and the people who think the world is flat, you get treated in the same tin foil category.
If you'd bother to actually read what I've been saying, I've provided numerous other points apart from this. But, that aside, the fact that they don't need to rig the games is one more sensible point that any of you have made.
Not only do they not need to do, it would be the opposite of beneficial to them.
We've talked about how the wheel operates, you even asked for the patent which I provided. You had no response. I've told you that because the provider doesn't pay out and it's the casino, that there would be no sustainable formula to rigging the game, but you have no response and don't want to know.
You clearly have no idea of what an impossible physical scenario is, do you. There is a huge difference between highly improbable, and impossible. Just like your friend, you have zero understanding of how random events, odds and maths work.
We have analysed the event. Not that we need to. You're just focusing on things that don't suit your narrative. Again, just like your friend.
You're in no position to call anyone naïve. You keep throwing the word around.
The definition of the word is 'showing a lack of experience, wisdom, or judgement.'
You have no experience in what you're talking about. You clearly do not understand the topic at all, the nonsense you're spouting shows that. It is 100% clear you have no wisdom, as you're not able to look at a situation from a sensible standpoint and accept that a strange outcome in a game of chance is just that, a strange outcome. But no, it must categorically be rigged. You're unable to apply any kind of reasonable judgement outside the insane train of thought that you have and don't want to know anything that doesn't support your frankly worrying belief.
Can we stop throwing naïve around when you're continuously demonstrating you're the definition of the word.
Not sorry, but yes. It does in fact work.
What the fuck does that even mean? Actually take a minute to read what you've written. It isn't coherent. 'Evolution is not a live casino'. 'The evolution of live casino working like slot machines'.
What are you talking about?
Gibberish. Absolute gibberish.
Once again, you haven't 'noticed' shit. All you've seen is a YouTube video of an improbable event.
Of course you will know what's going on under the hood. Anyone that's been gambling for a sustained period of time can analyse their profit and loss and see if it's somewhere in line with the expected RTP of any game. Of course, some people will be over the expected RTP, some people will be under. But out of all those data samples, you will find an average that is extremely close to what you would expect games to operate at, with the RTP they state.
Go and ask your online casinos for your personal statistics and prove me wrong. Please.
hateTINfoils
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I think it is time we discuss these events as well, they ALL MUST BE RIGGED just looked at them.....
the whole world is just rigged!
the whole world is just rigged!
Stevej
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I’m a software engineer. I know some maths actually. I know how rng works. I have analyzed these games with simple javascript apps and I know really well that every game rtp is absolutely correct. Yes, precise, correct, perfectly right. Your imagination of rigging is probably then quite limited.
I may write non-clear jibberish now cause english is not my main language and my motivation to argue with guys like you is dying. So better to read your fantastic theories from now on.
joshnadin
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I just want to clarify that you're actually being serious.
You're stating that you've even collected your own independent data to show that games are exactly in line with the stated RTP, but yet the games are somehow still rigged?
Please, please, please tell me how you can rig a game to be in any way unfair towards the player if the RTP of that game is in-line with what is clearly advertised? How could a casino be applying any kind of unfair advantage if the maths is clearly showing you that the game is operating how it is advertised?
All you're doing is contradicting yourself and providing further evidence against your own theories.
I can not wait to hear what your imagination of what 'rigging is'..
I would be thrilled to hear how operators are rigging games if you, yourself are telling me you're fully aware they're paying out as they should do. Please, go on..
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Stevej
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It’s super weird that people think that rigging is about lowering/manipulating the rtp. It’s black-and-white and naive (sorry, but it is) thinking.I just want to clarify that you're actually being serious.
You're stating that you've even collected your own independent data to show that games are exactly in line with the stated RTP, but yet the games are somehow still rigged?
Please, please, please tell me how you can rig a game to be in any way unfair towards the player if the RTP of that game is in-line with what is clearly advertised? How could a casino be applying any kind of unfair advantage if the maths is clearly showing you that the game is operating how it is advertised?
All you're doing is contradicting yourself and providing further evidence against your own theories.
I can not wait to hear what your imagination of what 'rigging is'..
I would be thrilled to hear how operators are rigging games if you, yourself are telling me you're fully aware they're paying out as they should do. Please, go on..
Word ”rigged” in Evo case means that it’s legal, but slot machines/software games are in a disguise of live casino games, like somebody said that.
I’ll do some video & web app about ”rigging” in future.
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joshnadin
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I'm not saying it's about lowering or manipulating the RTP. Even though it is.. The whole point in 'rigging' a game would be to increase the house edge for the casino or provider to make more money. No matter how they would choose to do that, it would always affect the RTP of the game.
I'm saying it would be mathematically impossible to alter the game in any way, shape, or form, to increase the house advantage without somehow affecting the RTP of the game. You simply can not do it. If the game is paying out in line with the RTP that is stated, the casino and game operator are not applying any kind of advantage to the house that is not already very clearly shown in the game rules.
You do understand that, right?
You're not going to explain it to me now, because you can't.
You will also not be able to explain it to me in the future.
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You have just given conclusive evidence that directly contradicts your own theory.
I don't think we need to continue the conversation.
Stevej
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dirtystack
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I enjoyed that.
Stevej
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He’s back, a one more guy from the industry btw
So any other good explanations for a hovering roulette ball?
dirtystack
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It is only you who can’t see that they have been completely picked apart.
I work in the industry yes, I don’t have any desire to defend the industry, I don’t see casinos as beneficial to society. If all casinos closed overnight I’d be upset that I’d have nowhere to gamble - not that I’d be out of a job.
I just don’t like, and we discussed this in previous posts, people stating opinion as fact or lying to emphasis their point.
Stating that a ball is defying the laws of physics when you don’t have a clue about physics….
My opinion is that wild conjecture, and the above mentioned lying, undermine any valid discussion as to the legitimacy of anything.
I work in the industry yes, I don’t have any desire to defend the industry, I don’t see casinos as beneficial to society. If all casinos closed overnight I’d be upset that I’d have nowhere to gamble - not that I’d be out of a job.
I just don’t like, and we discussed this in previous posts, people stating opinion as fact or lying to emphasis their point.
Stating that a ball is defying the laws of physics when you don’t have a clue about physics….
My opinion is that wild conjecture, and the above mentioned lying, undermine any valid discussion as to the legitimacy of anything.
Stevej
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Actually I do understand physics a little, but this system is really complex to calculate.
Everybody’s having opinions here. Opinions like ”well, things just happen” are the worst. It’s just like ”I don’t wanna think about it, it can’t be magnets cause it’s Evolution”.
That’s why you guys are focusing on everything else than this actual topic.
hateTINfoils
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Stevej once again you show how dumb you are.
This is your first post in this whole topic, now read your own stupid words and tell me WHERE ARE YOU FOCUSING ON TOPIC ABOUT BALL STUCK ??????
Nowhere! You jumped straight away to call them
"pyramid scheme"
"all the games are rigged".
"It's all corrupted and biggest scam"
So where are your facts, show us at least one! Because you have none just big mouth with 0 knowledge about math and I am pretty sure literally about everything....
This is your first post in this whole topic, now read your own stupid words and tell me WHERE ARE YOU FOCUSING ON TOPIC ABOUT BALL STUCK ??????
Nowhere! You jumped straight away to call them
"pyramid scheme"
"all the games are rigged".
"It's all corrupted and biggest scam"
So where are your facts, show us at least one! Because you have none just big mouth with 0 knowledge about math and I am pretty sure literally about everything....
Stevej
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Facts in your ass. Nobody has the facts. It’s my OPINION idiot.
It would be nice to hear some good theories about that specific roulette ball case though.
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Kreezymind
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dirtystack
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You could also get magnets and see how possible it is to make something hover. Unless it is very rigidly held in place its not going to work the way you think. The ball would not get stuck in a repelling state, it would naturally seek to rotate itself to the attraction state - the spin on roulette ball would not be enough centrifugal force to stop the self correcting rotation for any noticeable duration.
That is if there were a magnet in both the ball and the wheel which would be silly. The magnet set up you have in mind would only be practical if there was magnets in the wheel, can have 37 of them, one in each number, individually activated and have a piece of magnetic material in the ball (Lead for example, any metal that is attracted to a magnet), this way it would only ever attract the ball and not repel it.
It would be a massive oversight for the evil scientists at Evilution to put a magnet in the ball when just a little metal in the ball, and the above 37 individually activated magnets in the wheel, would be infinitely simpler to execute.
A magnet in the ball would need the whole wheel to be made out of non magnetic material - roulette wheels are heavy lumps of metal that are finished in the varnished wood effect we all love.
Regardless, I'm not saying anything is impossible- just leaving out some food for thought/shower thoughts.
That is if there were a magnet in both the ball and the wheel which would be silly. The magnet set up you have in mind would only be practical if there was magnets in the wheel, can have 37 of them, one in each number, individually activated and have a piece of magnetic material in the ball (Lead for example, any metal that is attracted to a magnet), this way it would only ever attract the ball and not repel it.
It would be a massive oversight for the evil scientists at Evilution to put a magnet in the ball when just a little metal in the ball, and the above 37 individually activated magnets in the wheel, would be infinitely simpler to execute.
A magnet in the ball would need the whole wheel to be made out of non magnetic material - roulette wheels are heavy lumps of metal that are finished in the varnished wood effect we all love.
Regardless, I'm not saying anything is impossible- just leaving out some food for thought/shower thoughts.
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Stevej
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That was actually a really good comment and progress in this conversation. It made me think about this scenario again from new perspective.
I still think the most logical explanation for me is that there’s a repelling force from the number 14 while the wheel rotational force is pushing against that and holding the ball in the middle of 14 & 20 - or repelling forces from slots 14 & 20.
This system is really complex to calculate but simulating this few billion times would give a good insight. But nobody’s knows the measures of this wheel.
dirtystack
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Bear in mind thatI’ve seen the same thing happen, twice in 20 years, when supervising roulette in a land based casino. If it can happen there, in 20 years, watching typically 2 roulettes at a time for around 4 hours a day, 5 days a week - similar anomalies will happen and be picked up.
I’ve seen a lot of weird shit - I’ve done a no spin that shot straight up and the ball never came down. Shot straight up and plugged the only hole in the white ceiling. Was a mystery until months later when the maintenance man dislodged it when adjusting some lights. I had a mouse fall on me when dealing Baccarat, fell on my head, jumped into the float, jumped onto my seat then shot off down the pit, a polish inspector screamed and threw a nearby manager into the mouses path.
Lots of weird stuff happens to break the monotony. mercifully.
I’ve seen a lot of weird shit - I’ve done a no spin that shot straight up and the ball never came down. Shot straight up and plugged the only hole in the white ceiling. Was a mystery until months later when the maintenance man dislodged it when adjusting some lights. I had a mouse fall on me when dealing Baccarat, fell on my head, jumped into the float, jumped onto my seat then shot off down the pit, a polish inspector screamed and threw a nearby manager into the mouses path.
Lots of weird stuff happens to break the monotony. mercifully.
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