@Slotplayer many streamers Also have a higher betlimit, less wagering then x35 they sometimes get x10. Especially from LeoVegas , thrills, superlenny.. and there are other benefits aswell that are not to be openely discussed as it Will break the terms of agreement.
ban online casino streamers
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Josh Green
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To truth is its very hard to know and judge which streamers actually make a good income from it and can use that to offset there casino losses. It may seem obvious to some but it doesn't mean that its the case and who knows, they may be losing even more 'off stream' gambling.
Im sure some streamers make a tiny fraction of what they lose whilst others may far in excess of their losses. But again, as long as the ones who are making profit don't pretend its a 'hobby' then thats fine. If a streamers say. gambling is bad, playing slots is minus Ev but the deal i have makes it neutral or +ev and on top i make money from it then so be it, they are not deceiving anyone.
To be honest, with our channel as we said from the beginning we would love to be able to run it as a business and make it profitable. We are nowhere near that being new and given the influx in this space and competition/monopolisation it may be very hard to ever realise that ambition. We have just been blessed that the first 2 months streaming we actually hit some big wins and kept our bankroll in the +, because the affiliate commissions wont touch the surface for a very long time indeed, if ever.
Look at DavidLabowsky for example who I will add is one of the nicest streamers and a real joy to watch, he started off doing normal person stakes but has fallen into the not normal stakes category which I never thought I would ever see happen.
Slotplayer
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Well as a high depositing player they will get better deals occasionally.
The other day Rizk gave me a 100% match with 20x play through. I don't promote them.
Kingofthedolphins
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What an interesting read that was. I thought that there were good points made on both sides of the discussion. But to simply say ban all online casino streamers to solve gambling addiction is like saying ban all fast food to solve obesity! Or saying ban all action films to prevent gun crime! As with all passionate discussions the answer is somewhere in the middle. Could the streamers do more to help with problem gambling? I'd say yes, But should the people who enjoy there streams and control there gambling be punished by not being able to watch them anymore because some people blame them for there addiction? absolutely not. As adults we are ultimately responsible for our own actions and we shouldn't look to blame other people for what we do. It is always good to talk about these things in a polite and respectful manner so i thank everyone who has commented on this post for raising a very interesting topic.
Slotspinner
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Ive skimmed through the few latest comments and gonna answer some or give my opinion:
1. Someone said we do not tell that we earn from the links: wrong. repeatedly stated by all.
2. Crusade against "fake" streamers. We dont even say a word about these for over a year now - simply though to understand, would you like it if you were a streamer playing your own money and then theres some guys coming with 10k "Deposit" of fake money every stream buying viewbots etc deceiving people to the fullest (these should get banned anyway that is just fraud)
3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.
3.2 Affiliate is immoral - Hello what the F? You as a player get more benefits than before, you are not forced to play anyway, if you dont use the link the casino gets 100% of the money - if you choose the links you may get better rewards, and part of the money you may lose goes to the streamer. If you feel better by having less rewards and lose your money fully to the company behind the casino you are well damn free to do so. Nobody is forced on any of this, so i dont see one reason to complain.
4. All and for once - problem gamblers should look to solve their issues - advised to not even watch streams. Some people it helps to stay off gambling watching though. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PLEASE. STOP BLAMING. You say what if problem gamblers watch you, well its quite damn hard to find any of us unless you actively search for it or have been watching tons of Slot material before - in which case , how is that our problem? If all streamers were to be banned those people would watch slots somewhere else or go to gamble themselves anyway its not tackling their problem in the slightest
1. Someone said we do not tell that we earn from the links: wrong. repeatedly stated by all.
2. Crusade against "fake" streamers. We dont even say a word about these for over a year now - simply though to understand, would you like it if you were a streamer playing your own money and then theres some guys coming with 10k "Deposit" of fake money every stream buying viewbots etc deceiving people to the fullest (these should get banned anyway that is just fraud)
3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.
3.2 Affiliate is immoral - Hello what the F? You as a player get more benefits than before, you are not forced to play anyway, if you dont use the link the casino gets 100% of the money - if you choose the links you may get better rewards, and part of the money you may lose goes to the streamer. If you feel better by having less rewards and lose your money fully to the company behind the casino you are well damn free to do so. Nobody is forced on any of this, so i dont see one reason to complain.
4. All and for once - problem gamblers should look to solve their issues - advised to not even watch streams. Some people it helps to stay off gambling watching though. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PLEASE. STOP BLAMING. You say what if problem gamblers watch you, well its quite damn hard to find any of us unless you actively search for it or have been watching tons of Slot material before - in which case , how is that our problem? If all streamers were to be banned those people would watch slots somewhere else or go to gamble themselves anyway its not tackling their problem in the slightest
pausefisk
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I while ago when we were asked for suggestions for this site, i had an idea that the users could rate their top casinos.
It was on the roadmap, but still we havent seen it yet. @Skylined87 might update us on this. I think it's fair that CG makes reviewes (if they manage to be neutral, as i belive is not the case recently), but it is only the players who really can rate them if we want a fair result.
Honestly i don't think a casino-rating will be available here on CG. I belive it will have some conflict of interests. But who know, i hope i'm wrong.
It was on the roadmap, but still we havent seen it yet. @Skylined87 might update us on this. I think it's fair that CG makes reviewes (if they manage to be neutral, as i belive is not the case recently), but it is only the players who really can rate them if we want a fair result.
Honestly i don't think a casino-rating will be available here on CG. I belive it will have some conflict of interests. But who know, i hope i'm wrong.
nomoregamblingstreams
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@Kingofthedolphins
It is not the banning of gambling streams that I have an issue with -- it's the predatory advertising that is done without transparency on a website that caters to teens and young adults that I do have an issue with. It's the posting of "Big Win" videos on Youtube that show, to a casual viewer, only the good & not the bad of gambling -- often with a stickied comment right below the video giving a link to the casino at which the win happened. It's the blatant manipulation of a hobbyist group into a large-and-growing for-profit gambling circle that I have a problem with. This very website has been acquired by Leovegas -- an online casino that was caught red-handed giving advertisers fake accounts that looked like real ones so that they could stream with no risk! It is all a blatantly cynical cash grab.
But one of the worst parts of the whole thing, as can be seen in his very thread, is that because there is one-on-one interaction between the viewer and the advertiser, the viewer develops an emotional attachment. So when their favorite advertiser is called out, they don't want to see it -- because to admit to liking, and often spending hundreds of hours watching, something that is completely unreal, is to admit to being fooled.
When this whole thing crashes and burns, who do you think the fall guys are going to be? Because I can guarantee you it won't be the casinos. They're going to place all the blame directly onto the streaming advertisers, just like, as you can see in this thread, the advertisers are trying to do to their viewers. -- "If they have a gambling problem, they shouldn't watch!"
It is not the banning of gambling streams that I have an issue with -- it's the predatory advertising that is done without transparency on a website that caters to teens and young adults that I do have an issue with. It's the posting of "Big Win" videos on Youtube that show, to a casual viewer, only the good & not the bad of gambling -- often with a stickied comment right below the video giving a link to the casino at which the win happened. It's the blatant manipulation of a hobbyist group into a large-and-growing for-profit gambling circle that I have a problem with. This very website has been acquired by Leovegas -- an online casino that was caught red-handed giving advertisers fake accounts that looked like real ones so that they could stream with no risk! It is all a blatantly cynical cash grab.
But one of the worst parts of the whole thing, as can be seen in his very thread, is that because there is one-on-one interaction between the viewer and the advertiser, the viewer develops an emotional attachment. So when their favorite advertiser is called out, they don't want to see it -- because to admit to liking, and often spending hundreds of hours watching, something that is completely unreal, is to admit to being fooled.
When this whole thing crashes and burns, who do you think the fall guys are going to be? Because I can guarantee you it won't be the casinos. They're going to place all the blame directly onto the streaming advertisers, just like, as you can see in this thread, the advertisers are trying to do to their viewers. -- "If they have a gambling problem, they shouldn't watch!"
Slotplayer
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Innocent till proven otherwise.
Tesco had an accounting scandal. Doesn't mean that they are still at it though.
I am sure I read somewhere that the person involved with that streamer is no longer employed by them and that higher management wasnt aware.
Slotplayer
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In other words you object to the making money part of it rather than wanting to help the problem gambler who should not be coming across any gambling videos on YT even those that don't have links. That is what the OP surely wants?
nomoregamblingstreams
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No, you are conflating issues and purposefully muddying the water. I'm not here to argue with sycophants though. I don't have anything else to add -- thank you for giving me a platform to share my opinion & I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the coming months.
Kingofthedolphins
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That's a good point @nomoregamblingstreams, I do agree with you that if you just watched the big win clips then you could think that this always happens. But if you watch the streamers live you will see them lose more money than they win. This is a fascinating topic, I hope that something comes from it that everybody can be happy with.
Slotplayer
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So anybody that disagrees with you is a sycophant. Tells me more about you then me. Good luck with your crusade though.
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ClogsInBronteland
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Hightoller has only been available in the UK for a very short time. Besides that, the deals are different in the UK than in The Netherlands. So it doesn’t make sense what you say.
the CS streamers do their research into casino’s
and yes, they do make money. Would be silly if they wouldn’t. Wake up.
Nonprophete
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An absolute hogwash of a post!!!!!! BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS and if you feel you have a problem then get the help you need from the NUMEROUS RESOURCES available to you. Deflecting your addiction issues onto other people such as affiliate streamers is laughable so I'd like to start a petition to ban the SNOWFLAKE generation who simply cannot comprehend that their own actions have consequences........
/end rant.
/end rant.
Slotspinner. Again, I personally am not blaming you, Paul, Kim etc. However, it will be hard for you to understand what kind of problem the UK faces when it comes to suicide, poverty and crime due to gambling. I assume it is not as bad in Sweden or Germany. Sorry mate, we have to face the reality. Online gambling should have never been introduced in the first place. When you go to a physical casino and touch physical money, when you see other people around you lose, you think more about how you are ough to behave with your money.
They all are part of casinogrounds, not saying its the same deal but a bit of a coincidence that a brand new casino is getting used by the 3 cg streamers
@Slotspinner you have no idea how bad the UK problem is, there is 5 and 6 bookmakers on some streets in the UK.
Slotplayer
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And you don't think people don't go mad in casinos or bookies when they lose more than that they can afford to lose?
All gambling is bad if not controlled whether that is done at home, the bookies, a casino or dear old mum playing bingo down the local bingo hall.
Ban online casinostreaming
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@jchneoReally good point and agree with everything in there, I have done the Maths as well regarding how much they deposit and it just doesn't add up and to even cover their losses they would need to be earning in some cases £200,000 + a year depositing those amounts and playing as much as they do. I heard a streamer say i budget for £1500 - £2K a day to stream gambling content to all his viewers !! responsible gambling at its best !!!
They do. But it is much easier to lose your mind and re-deposit by entering 3 numbers from the back of card than cash your hard-earned cash in on a blackjack table in the casino.
