Lightning Roulette, yeah keep playing it

[Stevej]

Did I say it would be impossible to create software and coding where this could happen? No.

Difficult, but not impossible.

This theory could work if the provider was responsible for paying out the wins, or taking the losses for the game. But they're not. If you can provide me with any kind of reasonable explanation to how this would be implemented across every single casino that uses the same provider, with it consistently being in the benefit of all the casinos using said provider, I'll eat my words. You won't be able to do, because it is again, impossible.

I'm not assuming. I'm using the maths and applying your theories to the real world, where they just do not add up, at all.

Besides this, if your absolutely insane theory was correct, and they had managed to devise a way to keep the RTP in line with what is advertised whilst manipulating profits (mathematically impossible again, by the way, bur for arguments sake), this would clearly show that a game is not operating properly and the expected profit is way, way more than it should be. 

Regulators look into this all the time. The vetting process allows them to be able to turn up unannounced, and ask for the books at any time, and see exactly what is happening. If the amount of profit being made was in excess of what was expected, they would be investigated. Not to mention that the code you keep referencing, but we can not see, is also thoroughly vetted for fairness.

But, I forgot that all regulators are also in on the game and corrupt, right? 

I'm not admitting I'm wrong, because I'm not wrong. If you can prove to me that I'm wrong, I'll gladly hold my hands up. You've come up with an extremely wild theory that I've already shown the maths does not work for, you've not provided a scenario alongside proof that works. Just a wild theory.

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Look man, you're really just grasping at straws at this point. You're not going to listen to any logic, rhyme, or reason, no matter what I say. You don't want to know. You could be sent to the Evo studios yourself to get whatever data you wanted to come to a conclusion, and you still wouldn't want to know.

It's no longer interesting for me to continue the conversation as nothing of value is being added, it's just becoming painful. If you want to believe that things are 'rigged', you're entitled to your belief. But I must strongly emphasise that it's your belief.
At least I've been able to back up my statements with the maths behind the game, knowledge of how the games operate, and something of substance that isn't simply a video of a game round with a strange result, or a 'data sample' collected over 14 days by one player that is never going to be accurate or relevant.

Peace out.. 

You are avoiding to stay in the conversation.
 

You are the guy who doesn’t admit you’re wrong. I told a scenario where rigging would work without manipulating rtp while earlier you said it’s impossible. You were wrong: it is possible to rig without manipulating the rtp even though it is difficult. I also have many other really good reasons to rig live games. I can tell, sure.

In coding world there’s not a single thing we can’t do. Everything is possible.

You don’t have to take part of this conversation. It’s totally ok not to answer anymore. Peace!

Edit: Cool for Kim! So what slot and when did it happen? Links. Let’s calculate the probability for that.

 

[joshnadin]

You are avoiding to stay in the conversation.

Refraining to stay in the conversation until anything of value is added. Big, big difference than avoiding anything you have to say.



Please see above meme for reference ^ 

You are the guy who doesn’t admit you’re wrong. I told a scenario where rigging would work without manipulating rtp while earlier you said it’s impossible. You were wrong: it is possible to rig without manipulating the rtp even though it is difficult. I also have many other really good reasons to rig live games. I can tell, sure.

Again, No you haven't. You've provided a theory. A theory with absolutely zero credibility at that. You've failed to mention how this could be sustainably implemented and work, because it can not.

In coding world there’s not a single thing we can’t do. Everything is possible.

What you mean is, in coding there aren't many things you can't do, and most things are possible.

But, as I said, I never said it wasn't possible to devise code to see in real time what outcome of the game would pay what out. I could hire someone on Fiverr to do that for me. What I said is impossible, is to implement such a code to benefit every single online casino using that provider. You really need to understand that because every player on every different online casino using the provider at the same time, no code in the world could 'rig' a result that is sustainably profitable across the board to each online casino using that provider. Not to mention the fact that I've previously stated that it would be highly visible in the providers profitability, and be investigated accordingly.

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I must again reference the wise words of Donald Trump above, that is why I can't continue to try and have any kind of intelligent conversation with you.

 

[Stevej]

Refraining to stay in the conversation until anything of value is added. Big, big difference than avoiding anything you have to say.

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Please see above meme for reference ^ 

Again, No you haven't. You've provided a theory. A theory with absolutely zero credibility at that. You've failed to mention how this could be sustainably implemented and work, because it can not.

What you mean is, in coding there aren't many things you can't do, and most things are possible.

But, as I said, I never said it wasn't possible to devise code to see in real time what outcome of the game would pay what out. I could hire someone on Fiverr to do that for me. What I said is impossible, is to implement such a code to benefit every single online casino using that provider. You really need to understand that because every player on every different online casino using the provider at the same time, no code in the world could 'rig' a result that is sustainably profitable across the board to each online casino using that provider. Not to mention the fact that I've previously stated that it would be highly visible in the providers profitability, and be investigated accordingly.

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I must again reference the wise words of Donald Trump above, that is why I can't continue to try and have any kind of intelligent conversation with you.

So now you took the last option and started making memes, calling me idiot etc. Trying to affect my emotions. It all turns against you. It actually takes away the credibility from what you’ve said. It’s like arguing with a teenager.

Instead of doing new donald trump memes you can link the video for Kim video with three times back to back. Let’s calculate the odds and check your math skills and assumptions.

 

[joshnadin]

So now you took the last option and started making memes, calling me idiot etc. Trying to affect my emotions. It all turns against you. It actually takes away the credibility from what you’ve said.

Instead of doing new donald trump memes you can link the video for Kim video with three times back to back. Let’s calculate the odds and check your math skills and assumptions.

I'm clearly trying to demonstrate to you why I don't want to continue the conversation. And it's not because I'm avoiding anything. It's because nothing constructive or interesting is being added by you.

I'm not trying to affect your emotions mate, it's a little banter. We're all adults, and know better than to get pissed off by what someone has said online.

I don't want to go through the video archives to try and find the clip, it's too time consuming and redundant. That's even if it's uploaded to YouTube.
I don't want to calculate any odds, check my math skills or assumptions. I'm just honestly bored of the whole topic at this point.

You're sitting there saying "you've provided a scenario where you can rig things without affecting the RTP". When you blatantly just haven't. Plus, besides the point, is again mathematically impossible. So I can't help but compare you to the pigeon just strutting around like it's won anyway.

It's just getting painful, isn't it Steve? At least for me anyway..

 

[Stevej]

I'm clearly trying to demonstrate to you why I don't want to continue the conversation. And it's not because I'm avoiding anything. It's because nothing constructive or interesting is being added by you.

I'm not trying to affect your emotions mate, it's a little banter. We're all adults, and know better than to get pissed off by what someone has said online.

I don't want to go through the video archives to try and find the clip, it's too time consuming and redundant. That's even if it's uploaded to YouTube.
I don't want to calculate any odds, check my math skills or assumptions. I'm just honestly bored of the whole topic at this point.

You're sitting there saying "you've provided a scenario where you can rig things without affecting the RTP". When you blatantly just haven't. Plus, besides the point, is again mathematically impossible. So I can't help but compare you to the pigeon just strutting around like it's won anyway.

It's just getting painful, isn't it Steve? At least for me anyway..

If you prove me it really is mathematically impossible then I happily admit I’m wrong. Until that you can continue doing those smart memes like that one. It was really funny.

 

[terror_82]

@joshnadindo you honestly believe that your opinions cancel out the validity of others opinions?

 

[joshnadin]

@joshnadindo you honestly believe that your opinions cancel out the validity of others opinions?

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

If you prove me it really is mathematically impossible then I happily admit I’m wrong. Until that you can continue doing those smart memes like that one. It was really funny.

For me to provide evidence that would be remotely valid, it will take many hours to put something together, that I unfortunately do not have, or wish to spend my time on.

I can just as easily turn around to you and ask you to prove to me that it is mathematically possible. But that's a waste of time, and energy, and we should perhaps look at the facts that have already been presented and come to our own conclusions.

If you want to continue your belief. You do you.

If the majority of people reading this post want to agree with the maths and common sense that have been presented, they can also do that.

 

[Stevej]

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

Actually you had zero facts and zero maths. Just your opinions. You are still in your bubble. I had my opinions too. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts.

Prove me the maths, don’t just keep repeating that fancy word. Without doing that, you’re as much opinion guy as everybody else. 

 

[terror_82]

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

You had only opinions moron. youre writing hours and hours of nonsense here but you say you have no time or interest to put the evidence together. because you dont have anything, just your opinions and fanaticism

 

[joshnadin]

Actually you had zero facts and zero maths. Just your opinions. You are still in your bubble. I had my opinions too. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts.

Prove me the maths, don’t just keep repeating that fancy word. Without doing that, you’re as much opinion guy as everybody else. 

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

You had only opinions moron. youre writing hours and hours of nonsense here but you say you have no time or interest to put the evidence together. because you dont have anything, just your opinions and fanaticism

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

 

[terror_82]

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

yes, I have lost lots of money to Evo, i have a gambling addiction and that's have nothing to do with this post. you just keep on talking and talking, writing super long posts, nobody cares, and you don't have any facts, just your opinions. you talk about maths but it's just talking. So keep on writing these massive nonsense posts. your opinion became clear now.

 

[Stevej]

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

This my last comment here. I still wanna define the word rigging that you understand.

In live casino, a rigged game would mean that the game outcome is performed by rng. Like adding motor to Crazy Time ”analog” wheel: A computer calculates randomly the rng result and motor stops the wheel in that randomly picked number. Rtp would be precisely correct as in the real live version. That itself would be a rigged live game without any other extra layers of manipulation. I don’t have facts that they’re doing that, but now we were talking about if that’s possible. And it is. It turns the whole live game to a slot machine type-of-game. But I know you can’t admit you are wrong - everybody else realizes this though.

edit: now you probably change the direction of the conversation again: ”why would they do that and spent resources doing that etc..” Just stay in the subject. You are wrong. It is possible.

 

[terror_82]

the narcissist cannot admit he is wrong

 

[joshnadin]

everybody else realizes this though.

This just shows how delusional you really are 

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

You keep on your mission to expose the big nasty casinos and game providers that take all your money and don't play fair Stevie! 

the narcissist cannot admit he is wrong

Sigh. If you're going to call me a narcissist then at least understand the definition of the word and use it correctly 

you just keep on talking and talking, writing super long posts, nobody cares, and you don't have any facts, just your opinions. you talk about maths but it's just talking. So keep on writing these massive nonsense posts. your opinion became clear now.

If you don't care mate you could have stopped replying long ago. No one is forcing you to reply.
If you don't want to see that the fundamental principle of of the games operate actually are facts, and go and do your own research to understand what you're talking about, I can't help you.
My 'opinion', was clear long ago when I first commented on this thread. 

yes, I have lost lots of money to Evo, i have a gambling addiction and that's have nothing to do with this post.

I'm not attacking the fact that you've got an addiction or not, addiction is serious issue and nothing to be joked about. But, if your addiction is centred around playing with a certain provider, and you then go on to attack that provider because you've lost a lot of money, you understand why that's rather relevant, right?

It's just like the toxic people in the Crazy Time chat that are horrible towards the hosts, scream that everything is rigged and spam 'magnets' and 'breaks' every time there is a result where they don't win.

 

[Stevej]

This just shows how delusional you really are 

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

You keep on your mission to expose the big nasty casinos and game providers that take all your money and don't play fair Stevie! 

Sigh. If you're going to call me a narcissist then at least understand the definition of the word and use it correctly 

If you don't care mate you could have stopped replying long ago. No one is forcing you to reply.
If you don't want to see that the fundamental principle of of the games operate actually are facts, and go and do your own research to understand what you're talking about, I can't help you.
My 'opinion', was clear long ago when I first commented on this thread. 

I'm not attacking the fact that you've got an addiction or not, addiction is serious issue and nothing to be joked about. But, if your addiction is centred around playing with a certain provider, and you then go on to attack that provider because you've lost a lot of money, you understand why that's rather relevant, right?

It's just like the toxic people in the Crazy Time chat that are horrible towards the hosts, scream that everything is rigged and spam 'magnets' and 'breaks' every time there is a result where they don't win.

Good luck with everything.

 

[Stevej]

@joshnadin This has nothing do with rigging now, but do you know anything about this? Evolution is no longer working in some provinces in Canada.

"Please note that we have confirmation that Evolution gaming is not available in Ontario Province since October 27th.

The decision was taken by the Ontario authorities and there is nothing we can do."

 

[hateTINfoils]

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

 

[joshnadin]

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

See, other people are able to provide sound facts! You should try looking into it sometime.. 

 

[Stevej]

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

Alright, didn’t know that. Have a great day, sir!

 

[terror_82]

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

Well i think 98% of the players know the game is rigged, it's just you, all the other industry guys and streamers who defend it, it's your money there

so let's share some evolution videos once again, enjoy that shit

my favorit video on youtube (0:10)