To what extent are slot predetermined?

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I also think everything is predetermined like, when the casino house wants to pay you then it will pay you. Why I'm telling this apparently nonsense. For example, lets take BOD for example: How many times happened to all of us that it hits 2 scatters 3 or 4 times in a row and didn't want you to get the bonus until the time has come. You also expect from hand to hand to finally receive the bonus and you know it will happen very soon as you observe that the 2 scatters hands come more and more frequently and finally this is what happens, you get the bonus. Then, when a "random" card is choosen. If you had the luck that let's say 5-10 session before it gave a small card, then you have the luck to get a character on your session. I might be paranoical but this is how I feel like.

Then, an even better example reel heist, where you're spending a lot of money while the cop chasing the thief and you get nothing because it wasn't meant to bring you any winnings at that time. Reel Heist and Reactoonz are the best arguments that not everything  that happens behind the slots is random or luck. On reactoonz it happened plenty of time to make no combination just before Gargantoon being released. I released it a few times though but never won big. From what I played so far I can say that only big time gaming are 100% random and correct. What do you guys think!?

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What about games you can quickspin like blueprint ones? Surely the game can't send for a RNG wait for reply, get reply then decide how its played that fast. We have all seen how fast you can click those games even with a very slow internet speed

Also games like chilli I can believe that the actual win you get isn't predetermined until you click collect.
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Exactly. Napoleon, for example. Best scammy slot ever...also the goonies. All the games with random features are not trustworthy!!

 
Are you kidding me.

If you have some doubt about the speed at which information can be communicated across the internet then perhaps you should, I don't know, search the internet and inform yourself about the speed at which information is communicated. 

Surely.

Exactly.

You are noticing the lack of the final connection to trigger Garga a lot more then any other connection because it is close to triggering Garga, it hits you more, resonates with you more then when you miss the connection to take you to 50% of the third bar been filled. 

This thread is just so full of confirmation bias, deluded gut feelings, and conjecture from people who possible lack the ability to figure anything out in a logical manner.

If you think it is so rigged then you should investigate, learn everything there is to actually learn, go and work for one of these slot providers so you can find out whats really going on. But you won't, because it requires rationale to accomplish such a feat.

I could actually do this as I am in the business anyway, I could find out from IGT. The thing is, no matter what I or anyone else were to say, it would be met with disbelief based on self confirming observation "exactly" and "surely" and "I think".

 
I have seen the same thing on Goonies. Even before i picked a bonus (spinned the wheel) my balance was updated and it was exact as I won in bonus that i ended up with. So yeah, choices don't make a difference, the bonuses are predetermined and that's it. 

 
When it comes to bonuses i know for sure that microgaming ones are pre-determined as i had a malfunction once and was kicked out and i contacted support because i was worried i might have lost it and they transfered me to a mg tech that explained me that they know the outcome the second we click and the bonus itself is just "for the show" and not to worry even if i can't recover the bonus they know what i won and can add it back to my balance. As for raw play i can't really tell exactly if the session itself and your "career" is pre-determined/tracked but one thing i know for sure (i proved it and can still prove it and demonstrated it through hundreds of sessions and attempts) that deposit bonuses/free spins are pre-determined. What i mean is the second you deposit with a bonus when it is added to your account the casino/system knows if you win or not and how much. It's pretty much like buying a scratch ticket, no matter when how where you do it the result will be the same. What i means is that while wagering slots rtp and variance is irrelevan. Some funny ways to test it yourself to see how it's not random is find a casino with max cash out. There is one group that give daily reloads with 10x max cash out for as low as 10$ deposit. You play them and once you got one that balance is way over the maximum cash out then you are pretty much guaranteed to win so the rng go loose and you win everything everywhere. I had fun trolling and getting 10+10 and 10+20 deposits all over 1000$. When it's pre-determined for you to lose, no matter what you bet or what you play you will not win. I tested it for weeks everyday on casinos that have big max bet on wager and allow table games. When i figure i will rip (usually pretty obvious as eveyrthing turn stone cold dead to 0) then i would go put my balance on roulette bet to triple up then once tripled up go back on slots lose then return triple up lose return and everytime i couldnt do nothing. Once i have been able to triple up my balance 12 times, it was insane roulette luck but pointless since it wasnt wagering so i had to return to slots and the RTP was constnat 10%. Of course casinos will deny this as it's not what they advertise and if people would know for sure that bonuses are pre-determined it would kill the fun as you know suddenly that what you do is completly pointless and irrelevant. What slot, what bet, totally pointless just as much as picking bonuses in slots. Does that mean you cannot win? Absolutely not. All it means is that instead of spinning rng everytime you click to spin the slot instead the rng is used when you deposit to determine the outcome a bit like when you buy a bonus on a slot. Once you figure that out and see that in fact there are not that many different series of outcome you can predict the outcome. People ask me how i do to predict the outcome as they see me doing it and cant believe i know what will happen but it's not a crystal ball, it's juste experience and thousands of bonuses that after some time your brain recognize what is going. I can predict the outcome 99%, but there is still that 1% that is huge win as it's very rare but some bonuses are set to make you rip and you 100% sure you are going to lose then near death boom omega win and then it just never ends winning. I would like to know what casinos have to say about this other than pretending it's all random, this will not work with me since i know how to prove it and already did multiple times either offstream or on stream.

Fun fact, where you are wagering a bonus pre-determined to lose, if you have plenty of wager ahead and bet low you'll get some wins or even big wins because the system has room ahead to take it back. That's why very often people will wonder why they were doing good then raise bet and rip... it's simple on the first bet the system had room but on the higher bet it didn't have enough room on the wager to give you anything so it goes ahead with the rip. Most common bonus outcome and you will recognize it is when you start and early on you hit huge to then rip everywhere to 0. We call it the RTP DUMP. Where the system drops you all your session winnings early on to trigger you and make you believe you're going to have a big payday to then cut your legs and rip you. There are also the isntant rips, these we can't do much about them but one thing i do when i rip everywhere and just want to see some action i deposit with big bonus and do small bets that's how you can have wins even if result is a loss. My friend and I when bored of losing we do, on purpose, the deposit with big wager and small bet to have some action and we almost always get it as the only time it doesnt work is when we hit a bonus that is pre-determined to instantly rip. Since it's pre-determined i really dont get why casinos set up instant rip bonuses as it's really annoying and they are killing the fun of the player for no reason. Is it to save on providers expenses? If so it's brutal to give 0 fun to a player for his money for the sake of saving a tiny bit. But anyway, instead of jumping on me calling me names and say it's wrong and bla bla, if you are curious just test it yourself doing what i said i was doing and you'll see ;P.

 
Deposit bonuses cannot be predetermined to lose as there are ways, depending on what games they allow you to play, to beat them almost every time.

I've never failed to clear a deposit bonus on a certain casino group, its not massively profitable what I am doing but it has yet to fail. Mathematically it would be possible to fail but it hasn't thus far in 30-40 odd deposit bonuses.

Its working so well for me that every now and then I will deposit and intentionally lose as I don't want to get barred.

 
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Seeing all sorts of conflicting information in this thread (although lots of correct information as well). I used to work in the industry and used to integrate games to a gaming platform before running the business unit that made that platform. I also trained many of the common developers on how to do game integrations to that platform when they first started (Blueprint, Push Gaming, Next Generation Gaming, Quickspin, Ash Gaming to name a few). (P.S, this gaming platform no longer exists, and those developers now use their own or someone elses, but the techniques and the premises are still the same) I've done a couple of videos on this topic on my channel, so please do watch the below and i'll explain it. If you have any questions after watching the videos, please drop them here and i'll answer them. Also, if you feel like it, subscribe to the channel if you liked the vids :P

Bottom line, it comes down to CHOICE, and not fake choice like picking lamps. REAL choice (I.E, do I gamble or not (Chilli) or which bonus do I pick (DHV). When there is REAL choice, the pre-determination stops there and waits for the choice. Once chosen, the rest of the result is generated up to the end (or the next REAL choice). BTG is the exception, they hit the RNG for every single spin (very inefficient but seems to be their thing).

Also worth noting, that pre-determination (I.E, generating the whole result up front, where possible) is standard industry practice and is efficient both from a computing and bandwidth standpoint. The result is still random. Pre-determined does NOT mean the result is rigged. Everything is still random.



 
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Some people in the comments on Bandits videos, back when he played Secrets of Christmas regularly, noticed ( and I checked , it's true ) how the candle wild is ALWAYS in the airplane, unless you pick the airplane, then the candle wild moves one to the left. It only seems possible to get the candle wild when it's in one of the other 2 pick rounds. So it ( and other slots like secrets of the stones I assume ) just gives you what you're supposed to get no matter what you pick, shows clearly in that. They coulda made it so the ones you didn't pick just filled the other symbols randomly lol, not put that candle wild in the same one every time. It's a bit obvious that way XD

Napoleon "predetermined" the 1682x win I posted couple days ago for me btw, I can't say I have a problem with that ;)

Only when you get a zero bonus/ random feature ( got plenty of those on Napoleon too ) it feels like you got scammed hehe 

 
PeachyPeach said:
So it ( and other slots like secrets of the stones I assume ) just gives you what you're supposed to get no matter what you pick, shows clearly in that. They coulda made it so the ones you didn't pick just filled the other symbols randomly lol, not put that candle wild in the same one every time.
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Absolutely right. Any bonus where you pick like that, the result is already generated. Doesn't matter what thing you click on. 

Normally the other results, if revealed, would be random. The thing with the candle is just lazy development (or a bug). 

Also worth noting that in a picking bonus, the number of selections has no bearing on the odds of getting a result. I.e if there are 3 lamps, the odds are not 1 in 3 of getting the best thing. Far from it. The best thing will have very low odds. This is a bit disingenuous (and why i dislike pick bonuses) but it is legal. 

 
The funniest thing about it is that we think how we are in control of spinning, but everything is actually predetermined. 
In my case I am only playing and waiting for luck to strike me. I know for sure that they must give sometimes something big. And I wanna be there first when it happens.

 
The slot predetermined a win as soon as the bonus comes in if there’s a choice like doa2 each one of the 3 is predetermined I play a lot on video slots casino if your a member you know there lots of slots battle it tells you your win before the spin has finished including bonuses .. so if you play chilli ask yourself (great game gets better when you realise this ) chilli tells you gamble feature in info is for more spins nowhere does it say bigger wins 🤔.. I do feel sorry for anyone who’s gambled it and lost spins .. so games like secret of the stones is predetermined they all are ... trust me the quicker you realise this the more money you can win your choice 

 
i just think they are nearly pure rng based but with pre determined brackets of algorithms with the casino in mind when it comes to wins 

 
blueprint makes it ekstra boring by showing how much i have won, even before i have picked the feature. Just makes picking a feature useless, because it would not matter what i picked. Then they should just pick it for me.

I show here an example that i have recorded, slot is wish upon a jackpot megaways. Notice in the top right corner that it updates the balance before i have made my pick, and compare it to the balance in the slot. @Blueprint :) was it not possible to make it a bit more interesting than this?



 
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I got a tip for anyone ...if you have two doors or any two things left to choose from always change your mind from your first choice...studies have shown for some reason this increases your chances of winning.

Think of the pub bandits and the guy who waits till some munter has lost and they dive in and scoop the jackpot...I think its the same online which is why  you could play till you win after a while or switch games constantly...I go for switching bets sizes and lines strategy  ...seems to work .

 
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Writeon007 said:
I got a tip for anyone ...if you have two doors or any two things left to choose from always change your mind from your first choice...studies have shown for some reason this increases your chances of winning.

Think of the pub bandits and the guy who waits till some munter has lost and they dive in and scoop the jackpot...I think its the same online which is why  you could play till you win after a while or switch games constantly...I go for switching bets sizes and lines strategy  ...seems to work .
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Would love to see that ”study”.. cmon don’t you hear how stupid it sounds? Also this thing changing lines and bet size etc is just bullshit aswell. It’s the same as saying 8 spins on extra chili is the best cause youve gotten lucky on it sometimes

 
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Li_Shang said:
Would love to see that ”study”.. cmon don’t you hear how stupid it sounds? Also this thing changing lines and bet size etc is just bullshit aswell. It’s the same as saying 8 spins on extra chili is the best cause youve gotten lucky on it sometimes
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He is mistaken about the study, he has Probably confused it with the 3 choice scenario, "Monty Hall Problem"

You have 3 boxes, 2 are empty and 1 has a prize.

You get to pick a box, you pick box 1 and have a 33% chance of winning.

As part of the game one of the boxes you didn’t pick, let’s say box 2, is opened and revealed to be empty. 
There now remains box 1 and 3, box one is your box but you are given the option to change boxes.

You should always change as the chance of box 3 having the prize is 66% whereas  the chance of box 1 having the prize is 33%.

Is a video of it here:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24045598

 
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Most picks are predetermined, Yggdrasil for sure as it picks for you if you lag out or have a technical error, it would be illegal for it to "pick" for you if there three different prizes. When you get 3 chests, orbs, whatever, to choose from in a Yggdrasil game there is only 1 prize, it doesn't matter what you pick and it doesn't matter if the game picks for you as there was only ever 1 possible outcome.

It doesn't matter what suit or colour you pick on Play'n'go either, if you pick a colour you are just pressing gamble and have a 50% chance of winning - you are not matching some colour that is already determined server-side and making a match. You should look at the red/black as just 1 button, it doesnt matter which one you pick.

When you pick a suit you are not matching some suit picked server-side and making a match - you should look at the 4 different suits as one button, if you press it then you are just taking a 1 in 4 gamble. It doesn't matter what you pick.

Its hard to explain and the only way I figured this out is by noticing is that you can influence the suits that it displays as failed gambles. 

Despite this it is still 50/50 and 1/4 as advertised, just with the added illusion that you can "Pick" something when the reality is that you are just "picking" gamble regardless of what you press.

 
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