This topic and discussion is open to all re Gambling addition and how we as a community can help

Whilst I'm happy to let the discussion continue, please keep it civil with no personal attacks and discussing individuals who are not here to defend themselves.

 
i thank all that took time to read and even post on this feed and last night stream was great and big streamers did also join in so my thanks go to them what happened after it ended just disgust me but some people ill be total nob jockeys but it wont stop the movement things are happening now i will be re streaming next tuesday i need to speak with few other streamers and see what response i get and i will air there answers 

 
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i thank all that took time to read and even post on this feed and last night stream was great and big streamers did also join in so my thanks go to them what happened after it ended just disgust me but some people ill be total nob jockeys but it wont stop the movement things are happening now i will be re streaming next tuesday i need to speak with few other streamers and see what response i get and i will air there answers 
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It would help that collectively you make up your minds what you want.

From watching the stream it is not entirely clear. Some want all affiliation banned, some want just Rev Share banned, some want the Rev Share to be disclosed etc.

I can't speak for all streamers, but if you don't make it clear what you're after, then how can we help?

Leave out all the bullshit (because that is what it was) about moderators in chat channels. It has no relevance to the subject at hand.

 
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slotplayer somethings were talked about last night was people airing there thoughts and i did have a good chat with Paul Rocknrolla and will continue to keep this line of commucation open with him via twitch re mods and nightbot etc i am currently taking request from people of things they want me to take to differnet streamers and have a chat with them about so i will update everyone when that is concluded thanks again for your support and visit to the stream last night 

 
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slotplayer somethings were talked about last night was people airing there thoughts and i did have a good chat with Paul Rocknrolla and will continue to keep this line of commucation open with him via twitch re mods and nightbot etc i am currently taking request from people of things they want me to take to differnet streamers and have a chat with them about so i will update everyone when that is concluded thanks again for your support and visit to the stream last night 
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Paul,

I explained up topic why live slot streams are not the correct medium to discuss problem gambling or how the streamer earns their money or if that is morally correct.

Moderators are just doing their job to enforce the rules of the house so to speak.

They are doing exactly what you did towards the end of your stream by asking the lady that was in the room to stop swearing because you don't like swearing on your stream.

In terms of the bot, quite a lot of streams have this already set to display responsible gambling messages every 5 minutes. One particular participant on your stream was accusing me of displaying the sign up link every 5 minutes but he failed to notice the responsible gambling message displayed every 5 minutes too or the link to this forum every 5 minutes. It helps to sometimes put the rose tinted glasses off and do proper research before making statements that are not quite correct.

 
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I was editing my last post to add something but I couldn't.

During the stream and other discussions elsewhere you totally ignored the biggest channel that pushes the links the hardest. It appears that you are picking on certain streamers but totally ignoring all of the other channels.

My suggestion is to stop mentioning individual channels (but use them as examples only if you want to explain a point) if your aim is to improve it Youtube / Twitch wide rather than it as seen as picking on certain individual streamers.

And what about those that steal Youtube and Twich content and then re-stream it as their own with their own links? Why no mention of those?

 
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I think people should take responsibility for their own money / gambling . It's not a streamer's problem if you can't control your gambling . Casinos WANT you to lose ... obviously . That's the only reason they exist . If you want to be mad at something then be mad at the casinos but better yet don't play on them or just play with small amounts of money that won't upset you if you lose.

What you need to understand is it's not just about getting signups . Do you think casinos really want 100 players who will deposit £20 and take their bonus and their freespins and all the enticements and then either cashout or lose their money and never play again ? There is a QUALITY of player (from the casino's perspective) . If a streamer can bring in players who deposit and lose large amounts then that's obviously more valuable to the casino and therefore the streamer gets paid a higher commission on bringing in those players 

One player will cry about losing his last £50 and another can deposit £500 , lose and not be bothered . Obviously the second type of player is much more valuable to the casino. So these people moaning that the streamers get paid from their losses well duh.. the casinos get paid from your losses . The streamer gets rewarded more for bringing in more valuable customers just like any salesman

If you look past the bs you have to accept that casinos are there to make money and the way they make money is from players making deposits and losing their money . Doesn't matter how many responsible gaming "measures" they have on their site . If you're losing a lot of money to them then you are a good customer - end of story

 
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afternoon slotplayer 

to confirm i do see your point re one or two streamers getting my attention and rest assured next week stream there alot more that got my attention including the biggest group on you tube they now who they are and i am having constructive meaning full conversations with others and when that happens off stream i will be only to happy to give thanks and mention that they are working with me to try to make changes or bring clearer content.

how ever i do have a full time job and you tube is not it and my channel re this issue is not the only one channel i run i have two channel and other channel which was my first is getting left out in the cold meaaning the 640 subs are not getting new content so i dont want that channel that took ages to build up to lose content or my time and this weekend is the grand prix so i need to work on that channel.

other are now working with me and sending me stuff for gambling channel so i am getting help which is good and of course i no intention of letting this stop now and i welcome your comments and ideas,

all the best 

pauld

 
What do you mean with "no intention of letting this stop now".

As I explained up topic, what is the ultimate aim of this campaign because I am still not sure. You are having dialogue with others, I am having dialogue with you here so please do share with me what you exactly want to achieve.

I am not here to speak for others, but the way I see it, I don't want to make one change only for a few days later another change to be requested because the goals of the campaign have suddenly changed because some may not be happy with the change and want more.

And how will you handle unreasonable changes where a streamer doesn't believe the change is needed? Remember, that the streamer/affiliate is ultimately there to provide a service for the responsible gambler that can afford and is prepared to lose their money (just as my signature states, that I last night changed to reflect this). A genuine streamer/affiliate is not there to refer a problem gambler to a casino the same way a supermarket doesn't really want to sell a bottle of alcohol to an alcoholic.

 
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slotplayer i asked for certain things to change more open ABOUT boxes and for streamers to make it clear that they are making money from other people losses if they lose via there sign ups at the end of the day i have mentioned and spoke with other streamers re Nightbot and changes are being made with some not all streamers but i also have to allow other to ask for things to change this is simply not me on a mission to change the whole system others on my live stream are making request to and they come on a daily basis not just on stream so i then take those request to the said streamer and ask if we can make those changes and of course some one will others will not i cant force that to change i can only report back to the person that he or she will make those changes or will not and try to act as a middle spokesmen and go back and forth i am trying to cover all angles and i will tackle head on the the biggest streamers and the smallest when change needs to happen but at this time request are still coming in whilst i am trying to work with all so please understand i cant give a full list as this changes sometimes by the hour and please also remember i working with gambling sites i.e casino to bring about change and right now copycats streamers who are stealing for want a better word others content re streaming with there own links risking nothing and just profiting of other people losses.

 
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