RNG in Evolution Gaming Wheel Games

[dirtystack]

Interesting read

The "casinos have no fix" part is a bit misleading though.

Technology evolves over time and when there is a threat to a system that system will be manually evolved, the machines with this versions of the software within these games would be updated and this method would cease to work.

Of course the same is true for those attempting to decipher the RNG, both parties force eachother to evolve and when one gets complacent the other profits over the odds.

The fact this is in the public, people within the casino security are identified as the source, shows they are confident this issue has been dealt with and is no longer possible.

There are certain groups of people who play in the casino, under quite specific scenarios, with positive EV. There are even some situations where the casino doesn't even really care, or do anything about it, as it actually adds to their overall income rather then detracting from it. 

 

[kenanth]

All of them are in the morning, all of them are in the night, all of them are at midday- your statement is somewhat correct as it is always morning somewhere in the world.

Saying that 99% of them happen in the morning using your timezone, well, that is just pulling a number out of your ass, at best widely exaggerating, at worst; lying to make a point. 

Don't lie to make a point, it discredits you.

Europe, obviously where most of there players are from. Damn americans think everything is about them.

It makes sens that they would rig it to pay out big wins to less people, don't need to be genius to figure this one, but never know.
In addition, they always check a screen behind camera, to know when to release the wheel, this trick is used in Monopoly and Dreamcatcher as well.

 

[dirtystack]

Europe, obviously where most of there players are from. Damn americans think everything is about them.

It makes sens that they would rig it to pay out big wins to less people, don't need to be genius to figure this one, but never know.
In addition, they always check a screen behind camera, to know when to release the wheel, this trick is used in Monopoly and Dreamcatcher as well.

Suddenly I'm American?  This kind of proves my point. You are lying about my nationality now in an attempt to convey that it means I am self absorbed and to discredit what I am saying, all because I dared contradicted you.

 You are lying about something that you are actually clueless about thinking that it wins you the argument.

Stop it.

Stop lying.

No-one will every take you seriously unless you have cold hard facts, not your opinion, not your exaggeration, a fair and balanced analysis. 

Not even worth the time.

 

[Stevej]

Played this last night again with other 6000 players for five hours or so. It was as dead as could be. No winnings.
 

And I wasn’t surprised at all today in the morning when I opened Tracksino I noticed 50x pachincho happened after these ”rush hours” for 600-700 players. Guys this is happening almost every day, and been happening as long as these games existed. 
 

For playing this game, it’s my own stupidity. I don’t blame Evo for my losses. I like the game and it’s far more entertaining than any of the slots. However it’s 100% controlled and that’s bit sad.

 

[RJ-]

I advice nobody to use Tracksino, it only works in the favor of Evolution Gaming and is probably their own site. They motivate people to join the game by highlighting the big wins

 

[ShrekTastic]

I've always thought it's rng, cause it seemed so obvious to me and remembered their CEO saying like that in some interview. Maybe he meant the Crazy Time bonus wheel (the animated one). I'm still surprised people thinking it's mechanic wheel without any computer based RNG system. I wouldn't see that so negative thing even if it was like that.

However I'd still like to ask you

1) Don't you ever think it's bit weird that all these big wins happen in times of low amount of players? Haven't you ever questioned that thing? Crazy Time has about 5000 players in the evening sessions in European Time.

In one week frame three latest big wins: January 11 2021 at 03:46 UTC Cash Hunt 2500x (1136 winners), January 10 2021 at 03:44 UTC Cash Hunt 2500x (1018 winners), January 13 2021 at 07:43 UTC Cash Hunt 2000x (812 winners)... I know the list continues, unluckily we can't see rest of the results.

In one month frame the biggest win: January 6 2021 at 07:39 UTC Cash Hunt 12500x (573 winners)

2) Crazy Time is kind of a successor of Monopoly which used to pay quite good. But all the massive wins have disappeared after Crazy Time was released (about 7-8 months ago). Haven't you ever thought it's bit weird?

In one month frame the biggest win in Monopoly: January 12 2021 at 16:45 UTC 593X (1300 winners)

You are comparing winners vs amount of players. That's impossible. You don't know which player bet on what.

I don't want to get into these conspiracy theories, however I feel like when it was brand new and all streamers were promoting/playing the game, it hit the bonus rounds way more often. (Don't mean it in a offensive way against streamers, I know they wouldn't be playing it if it was rigged. )

 

[Slotspinner]

For the sake of all thats healthy minded, it is NOT rigged - look at the RTP of the game and see how much Money they make by default!

The wheel spins 24/7 and ive seen huge wins at any time of the day regardless of the players. Do you know what i had to witness while playing myself TWICE? x50 Crazy Time with being 1 spot off just barely not making it. TWICE!!

If i can get through to stay with the fact that its a real wheel and not rigged/motorized then so can you

 

[terror_82]

For the sake of all thats healthy minded, it is NOT rigged - look at the RTP of the game and see how much Money they make by default!

The wheel spins 24/7 and ive seen huge wins at any time of the day regardless of the players. Do you know what i had to witness while playing myself TWICE? x50 Crazy Time with being 1 spot off just barely not making it. TWICE!!

If i can get through to stay with the fact that its a real wheel and not rigged/motorized then so can you

I never said it's rigged/illegal/whatever. I'm just saying it's motorized and the wheel landings is based on computer calculations and computer rng. It behaves unrealistic way. Everybody can see it.

 

[dirtystack]

If you set up a wheel at your house, streamed it and had viewers, allowed people to bet on the various segments, no tricks or anything.

Just wheel, no computer or anything - the outcome wasn't based on computer calculation or computer rng - guess what, there would be a thread titled:

Terror_82 RNG predetermined scam - don't play.

 

[terror_82]

If you set up a wheel at your house, streamed it and had viewers, allowed people to bet on the various segments, no tricks or anything.

Just wheel, no computer or anything - the outcome wasn't based on computer calculation or computer rng - guess what, there would be a thread titled:

Terror_82 RNG predetermined scam - don't play.

But I would also be fair and smart and before every session I would go through the wheel, show behind it and the room and answer people if they're asking how it works.

 

[Nelan]

@Slotspinner It‘s obv Not Crazy Time but if Monopoly is motorized would you say that CT is aswell?

 

[Slotspinner]

Just now, Nelan said:

@Slotspinner It‘s obv Not Crazy Time Bit if Monopoly is motorized would you say that CT is aswell?

The flapper is broken and not providing any resistance, this video was shown hundreds of times in different discussions - like Dirtystack explained the wheel is very heavy (300kg i think) on a bearing, if you spin that without a flapper resisting it , it will spin very very long like you see in the clip.

 

[Nelan]

The flapper is broken and not providing any resistance, this video was shown hundreds of times in different discussions - like Dirtystack explained the wheel is very heavy (300kg i think) on a bearing, if you spin that without a flapper resisting it , it will spin very very long like you see in the clip.

Ok, nvm then. It looks hella suspicious tho.

 

[dirtystack]

But I would also be fair and smart and before every session I would go through the wheel, show behind it and the room and answer people if they're asking how it works.

And they would say the video is prerecord, that you swap the wheel, that it is motorized, that it is rigged, that the RNG is biased to make people lose and god forbid someone wins big when there are fewer players.

 

[terror_82]

And they would say the video is prerecord, that you swap the wheel, that it is motorized, that it is rigged, that the RNG is biased to make people lose and god forbid someone wins big when there are fewer players.

I don't think so. During the live show, now and then, you could show the game and the wheel to new players in live stream.

 

[The Macho Man]

I came on here just to post about this! I played CrazyTime everyday for like the past month. I spent a lot of time looking at this wheel. CURRENTLY I believe it's 50/50 the wheel could be motorized. If it is motorized they perfected what the wheel USED to look like...

I was on youtube just now watching a video of streamers playing the game back in Aug. Which was around the time the game was still new. Now watch this video and TELL ME this wheel isn't motorized. 

Go compare the way this wheel acts to the one they use now. The wheel in this video is so 'off' and motorized it's comical. Go in the middle of this video when they start hitting crazytimes and back to back bonuses. Watch some of those crazytime hits. THE WHEEL RIGHT NOW WOULD NEVER ACT LIKE THAT. In this video the wheel is spinning mach 5 and then drastically slows down to hit bonuses that never would hit in the wheel they use today. Also look how easily the hosts spin that wheel compared to the wheel they spin now. Back then the hosts barely touched the wheel and its going super fast and stopping on a dime. These days the hosts really have to put some effort into getting the thing up to speed.

I think the wheel used to be motorized back then, and why not, they want to control the winnings to show everyone how amazing their new game is and give everyone lots of bonuses. Along the way I think they either replaced the wheel with a real one, or they perfected their motorized wheel to look like the real thing.

My guess is they replaced it with a real wheel but control the payouts on the backend. Only dropping big wins when they want. 

I think anyone whos played crazytime now vs seeing a video like the one above will notice a HUGE difference and it's plain to see the wheel was motorized back then, who knows if it still is today.

 

[terror_82]

1 hour ago, The Macho Man said:

I came on here just to post about this! I played CrazyTime everyday for like the past month. I spent a lot of time looking at this wheel. CURRENTLY I believe it's 50/50 the wheel could be motorized. If it is motorized they perfected what the wheel USED to look like...

I was on youtube just now watching a video of streamers playing the game back in Aug. Which was around the time the game was still new. Now watch this video and TELL ME this wheel isn't motorized. 

I quickly watched that video and not sure if I noticed that much difference compared to the current behaviour of the wheel.

However I've also played this game a lot since it was released and I've seen few spins that underlines the fact it is motorized.

Take a look at that video 0:25-> Repeat it few times. That is what we call the break!

https://tracksino.com/w/cdHphY2pftm8

I'm not still saying it's illegal/rigged/scam. "It is what it is!"

 

[Ash W]

Has anyone thought maybe the flapper provides a lot of resistance?

The flapper gets spun constantly and has been seen to get loose from being spun...the computer in addition "if" motorised would surely need to compensate for that dynamic. The flapper has a fairly long run between being replaced so it has to be fairly durable and strong.

Motors...I think your shooting in the wrong direction. 

 

[The Macho Man]

I quickly watched that video and maybe didn't notice that much difference in the current behaviour of the wheel. However, the reason I wrote about this, I've played this game also since it was released and I've seen few spins that underlines the fact it is motorized.

Take a look at that video 0:25-> Repeat it few times. That is what we call the break!

https://tracksino.com/w/cdHphY2pftm8

I'm not still saying it's illegal/rigged/scam. "It is what it is!"

Yea that's pretty much what I was trying to highlight but your video does it better. I dont know maybe its my new laptop im using with an upgraded screen than my previous, but some of these playbacks look like they've been sped up when you watch them, but nope its just that motorized wheel. 

 

[terror_82]

Has anyone thought maybe the flapper provides a lot of resistance?

The flapper gets spun constantly and has been seen to get loose from being spun...the computer in addition "if" motorised would surely need to compensate for that dynamic. The flapper has a fairly long run between being replaced so it has to be fairly durable and strong.

Motors...I think your shooting in the wrong direction. 

Flapper adds resistance and the resistance changes in a long run for sure. But it can't speed up the wheel or break the wheel all suddenly during the spin.