Monopoly lowered the RTP

[vadernader]

7 minutes ago, Stevej said:

Let’s start with this one. 
 

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

 

[Money Train]

Every

Ok we should go 1 by 1 starting with this. Can you explain to me by any physical law known to mankind how can a ball land on number 5 and out of a sudden vibrate and jump to number 8 to release a big win?

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Looks like we have the winner strategy. Let's Play the same games as Kim and evo give us infinite money.
Great time to start TABLE GAMES TUESDAY is on!

 

[Stevej]

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

I didn’t say anything like this.

Everybody sees it’s computer controlled. Don’t be simple. They have control on the game - it doesn’t mean that it tries to avoid the numbers players are playing. It might be that most of the players played 0 there. Maybe in that round they wanted most of the players to win. That’s how they have the control on the game. But that’s how it never should be. 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

I wouldn't advice that because Kim loses most of the time and he can afford it. But still it's always good to crack a joke when you lose the argument

 

[Money Train]

lol Kim just joined double ball and hit number 8 instantly coincidence? NO
 I Told you guys

 

[vadernader]

3 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

You probably also think we didn't land on the moon....

Simple as this, even if they did use that ball.... they still can't control exactly what number they want it to land on no? Just can avoid a number if it originally lands in one they don't like - and again - regardless of computer calculations and such there still has to be a human operator watching the ball land and then adjusting it, this all takes time... they can't just hop the ball around from number to number indefinitely until it lands in a number they "want" it to land in. Seems like too much time/energy/work/risk for a game that even if they don't rig it they win money.... all these games they don't need to rig to win money at because they are -EV for players to begin with.

 

[Stevej]

5 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

THAT VIDEO!!!  Thank you!!! I stopped gambling for a lifetime!!

 

[Money Train]

THAT VIDEO!!!  Thank you!!! I stopped gambling for a lifetime!!

AGREE!





(Even you trolling on this video nice to see  )

 

[kapisevicius]

In the beginning of the year it used to pay 500x-1000x weekly, but since CT was released it stopped paying big wins. 

Dude, CT was released in May or April I believe and Monopoly got worse like on the beginning of February - I remember because I used to play it every day back then and lost a lot. As someone said, it is just a variance, the second half of last year was just amazing and way above stated RTP, now it is awful, that's pretty much how gambling works.

 

[ressivv]

You can say what you want about the usefulness of making the ball jump like that, but either way it's clearly rigged if you see those clips, I mean wtf?!

For me those 2 ball hopping vids just show that evolution gaming is rigged, thanks!

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

You probably also think we didn't land on the moon....

Simple as this, even if they did use that ball.... they still can't control exactly what number they want it to land on no? Just can avoid a number if it originally lands in one they don't like - and again - regardless of computer calculations and such there still has to be a human operator watching the ball land and then adjusting it, this all takes time... they can't just hop the ball around from number to number indefinitely until it lands in a number they "want" it to land in. Seems like too much time/energy/work/risk for a game that even if they don't rig it they win money.... all these games they don't need to rig to win money at because they are -EV for players to begin with.

What I think is that there are people who would tell you that they saw a sheep flying even if you took a video and show them it's a bird, they will still say no it is a sheep.

But no matter, I have been gambling online and offline for a longtime to answer any arguments, and yes they do have people behind the cameras operating all games, they're known in landbased casinos as pitboss, proof for that is, when a missplay happens or any error of somekind, an operator sends a message instantly in chat stating that they will review the replays and judge the outcome.

However, as I said in my previous reply, the ones they use is more advanced that the video I posted and it is more accurate, it's almost the same as the magnets used in an auto roulette and if you need proof on that I can upload a video of my own to explain it.

Dude, CT was released in May or April I believe and Monopoly got worse like on the beginning of February - I remember because I used to play it every day back then and lost a lot. As someone said, it is just a variance, the second half of last year was just amazing and way above stated RTP, now it is awful, that's pretty much how gambling works.

I used to play it everyday too, however 1 or 2 people cannot make big of a difference, it takes a lot of players betting to actually release a big win. Evolution gaming only takes a percentage of the net revenue (Bets minus payouts), and as any company in the world they are greedy, they won't release a big win unless they banked enough money for it plus their profits.

And as I said, this also applies to slots. Remember book of ra 2 years ago? raging rhino? sweet bonanza? And the list goes on...

If you end your session up on those games, you should throw a party to all casinogrounds members  

 

[Stevej]

What I think is that there are people who would tell you that they saw a sheep flying even if you took a video and show them it's a bird, they will still say no it is a sheep.

But no matter, I have been gambling online and offline for a longtime to answer any arguments, and yes they do have people behind the cameras operating all games, they're known in landbased casinos as pitboss, proof for that is, when a missplay happens or any error of somekind, an operator sends a message instantly in chat stating that they will review the replays and judge the outcome.

However, as I said in my previous reply, the ones they use is more advanced that the video I posted and it is more accurate, it's almost the same as the magnets used in an auto roulette and if you need proof on that I can upload a video of my own to explain it.

Good stuff! I would be really interested to see that video / more videos! 

 

[Money Train]

Me too I'm disappointed because didn't see any monopoly video in the monopoly topic.

 

[Virreb]

You could have just answered me how can I get kicked out suddenly before a huge win knowing I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems.

But OK we should go 1 by 1 starting with this. Can you explain to me by any physical law known to mankind how can a ball land on number 5 and out of a sudden vibrate and jump to number 8 to release a big win?

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Any sane person would understand that Evolution has rigged roulette tables if they've spent more than a few minutes watching them. 

What scares me is that people who gamble defend this and say that it's not rigged, when they've probably spent hours watching roulette wheels at land based and should know how unrealistic the ball movements in the above clip actually is. 

It is also in the best interest for some people to avoid bashing at Evolution, because of affiliation with online casinos. 

PERSONALLY, I don't care if the roulette wheels are rigged or not, because there is always a winning number and they don't really seem to systematically avoid big wins. My favourite number is not very popular and usually pays low, yet I often see it being cold and not appearing for 2-3-400 spins. If they wanted to keep payouts at an absolute minimum, I'd win alot more often. 

Furthermore (and not relevant to the quoted post), lightning roulette's lightning has been said to be rigged (beyond magnets/vibrations), but it's not like they hide that the lightning numbers are picked AFTER the bets, when they know how much it would pay out. This doesn't explain the unrealistic ball movements, but yeah. 

 

[Asle Martinsen]

Okey guys! This is the last comment on this one. I know people get emotional when talking about this. You can blame me stupid what ever, I don't give a shit, but when we started to have a good "you're asshole" conversation here, give comments on this one. I might be wrong what ever, but think about this.

On Evolution Gaming Live Games, this is happening constantly all the time (image attached). Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls. I would say it's happening every day, but not sure of that. However I'm seeing that constantly and this image was taken few minutes ago. You can check that if you're online now, and that number is growing all the time. Tracksino.com.

You can count the probability of not hitting the 4 rolls on 400 spins like this: (53/54)^400. There are 54 slots in the wheel, if I remember correct.

Yesterday I was checking Super Sic Bo. I believe it's animated or somehow controlled by a computer. There was 3 hours (and then got tired of watching it and went sleep) without triples. You can count that one like (35/36)^300 (or like 400 I don't know how many spins in 3 hours...).

The probability for that you can reach 400 spins and not hitting one number in 54 is 0,05%. And not getting triples in 400 throws is 0,001%. My javascript code simulates these scenarios. You can run the code and get results for the next ten years in few seconds.

Of course this scenario will happen sometimes (400 spins between 4 rolls). But think about it. It won't happen every day. What ever moon position, stars aligned, daa daa daa, it won't happen every day. They manipulate it.

Why are they doing that? Well, I think it's the most clever way to make people doing new deposits over and over again. They deposit cause you're waiting for the 4 spins (or triples, or 40 in Dreamcatcher, the best "bonus"). I did, and maybe I was stupid. That's how they make money! 

For me that's enough that I can say, these games are rigged. They are not live games. If I go to the live online casino, I want live games. Not fake live games.

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Your math is way off. But don't worry, math, probability and logic isn't for everyone. Education doesn't matter that much when it comes to math, your brain capacity matters.

The chance of getting triples on 3 dices is 6 of 214 possible outcomes. This equals about 2.8 times per 100 throws on average. Key point is ON AVERAGE. Over a million throws its still theoretically possible for it to never happen. The probability is extremely low, but it's theoretically possible.

As for the big wins on monopoly, they don't tend to happen that often. Sure it looks rigged sometimes as 2 throws usually has better buildings than 4 throws, but that's about the only thing that's pre programmed into the game. This is for obvious reasons. It's not normal to get chance twice in a row to get an 80x multiplier on the wheel every month either, but sometimes it happens. 

As for Crazy Time, it's just getting more attention from the gambling communities cus it's the newest and most exciting game. 

And when it comes to logic, remember that the house has a huge edge on every single game they provide for you, and they're required to provide you with information about the RTP on every single game as well. There is literally no point for Evolution to rig their games any more than the edge they have already, as they would risk losing their entire business. 

As for your argument that UKGC has no authority in Latvia, that doesn't matter. They have authority over which games can be provided to the UK market, and so they can demand to have the option to show up on surprise visits at Evolution's studios in Latvia to control check their games, and Evolution will gladly accept these terms. Local authority is enough to negotiate terms with someone who delivers a service to the area you have local authority over. Your side of the argument is like saying the UK doesn't have a say about anything regarding any goods delivered from any country to the UK. That argument just doesn't hold up.

 

[Stevej]

Your math is way off. But don't worry, math, probability and logic isn't for everyone. Education doesn't matter that much when it comes to math, your brain capacity matters.

The chance of getting triples on 3 dices is 6 of 214 possible outcomes. This equals about 2.8 times per 100 throws on average. Key point is ON AVERAGE. Over a million throws its still theoretically possible for it to never happen. The probability is extremely low, but it's theoretically possible.

As for the big wins on monopoly, they don't tend to happen that often. Sure it looks rigged sometimes as 2 throws usually has better buildings than 4 throws, but that's about the only thing that's pre programmed into the game. This is for obvious reasons. It's not normal to get chance twice in a row to get an 80x multiplier on the wheel every month either, but sometimes it happens. 

As for Crazy Time, it's just getting more attention from the gambling communities cus it's the newest and most exciting game. 

And when it comes to logic, remember that the house has a huge edge on every single game they provide for you, and they're required to provide you with information about the RTP on every single game as well. There is literally no point for Evolution to rig their games any more than the edge they have already, as they would risk losing their entire business. 

As for your argument that UKGC has no authority in Latvia, that doesn't matter. They have authority over which games can be provided to the UK market, and so they can demand to have the option to show up on surprise visits at Evolution's studios in Latvia to control check their games, and Evolution will gladly accept these terms. Local authority is enough to negotiate terms with someone who delivers a service to the area you have local authority over. Your side of the argument is like saying the UK doesn't have a say about anything regarding any goods delivered from any country to the UK. That argument just doesn't hold up.

What are you trying to say? My math is not way off. Yours is! Chance of getting triples is 6 / 216 (not as you said 214). 6^3 = 216 if you know anything about maths.

So 6/216 = 1/36

So if your brain can take this: (35/36)^400 tells the probability of not getting triples in 400 throws.

I don’t know what have you been reading but I don’t remember talking anything about UKGC authority.

 

[Asle Martinsen]

What are you trying to say? My math is not way off. Yours is! Chance of getting triples is 6 / 216 (not as you said 214). 6^3 = 216 if you know anything about maths.

So 6/216 = 1/36

So if your brain can take this: (35/36)^400 tells the probability of not getting triples in 400 throws.

I don’t know what have you been reading but I don’t remember talking anything about UKGC authority.

You can't get less than 3 on 3 dices you monkey. There are only 214 possible outcomes. 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Good stuff! I would be really interested to see that video / more videos! 

Me too I'm disappointed because didn't see any monopoly video in the monopoly topic.

Any sane person would understand that Evolution has rigged roulette tables if they've spent more than a few minutes watching them. 

What scares me is that people who gamble defend this and say that it's not rigged, when they've probably spent hours watching roulette wheels at land based and should know how unrealistic the ball movements in the above clip actually is. 

It is also in the best interest for some people to avoid bashing at Evolution, because of affiliation with online casinos. 

PERSONALLY, I don't care if the roulette wheels are rigged or not, because there is always a winning number and they don't really seem to systematically avoid big wins. My favourite number is not very popular and usually pays low, yet I often see it being cold and not appearing for 2-3-400 spins. If they wanted to keep payouts at an absolute minimum, I'd win alot more often. 

Furthermore (and not relevant to the quoted post), lightning roulette's lightning has been said to be rigged (beyond magnets/vibrations), but it's not like they hide that the lightning numbers are picked AFTER the bets, when they know how much it would pay out. This doesn't explain the unrealistic ball movements, but yeah. 

Your math is way off. But don't worry, math, probability and logic isn't for everyone. Education doesn't matter that much when it comes to math, your brain capacity matters.

The chance of getting triples on 3 dices is 6 of 214 possible outcomes. This equals about 2.8 times per 100 throws on average. Key point is ON AVERAGE. Over a million throws its still theoretically possible for it to never happen. The probability is extremely low, but it's theoretically possible.

As for the big wins on monopoly, they don't tend to happen that often. Sure it looks rigged sometimes as 2 throws usually has better buildings than 4 throws, but that's about the only thing that's pre programmed into the game. This is for obvious reasons. It's not normal to get chance twice in a row to get an 80x multiplier on the wheel every month either, but sometimes it happens. 

As for Crazy Time, it's just getting more attention from the gambling communities cus it's the newest and most exciting game. 

And when it comes to logic, remember that the house has a huge edge on every single game they provide for you, and they're required to provide you with information about the RTP on every single game as well. There is literally no point for Evolution to rig their games any more than the edge they have already, as they would risk losing their entire business. 

As for your argument that UKGC has no authority in Latvia, that doesn't matter. They have authority over which games can be provided to the UK market, and so they can demand to have the option to show up on surprise visits at Evolution's studios in Latvia to control check their games, and Evolution will gladly accept these terms. Local authority is enough to negotiate terms with someone who delivers a service to the area you have local authority over. Your side of the argument is like saying the UK doesn't have a say about anything regarding any goods delivered from any country to the UK. That argument just doesn't hold up.

@Money Train The point is if they rigg 1 game, they can rigg all games, and there are a lot of proves out there regarding monopoly.

I won't comment on the math part because you can only talk about maths and statistics when something is 100% random and not controlled, in the case of EG I still stand by my opinion that they rigg all their games and the argument of "They don't have to, they already have an edge" is a very naive approach to the subject and I already addressed it in my previous reply.

Crazy time and monopoly wheels were caught many times on video doing things that only a fully controlled game would do, I'd advice you to watch some of the videos on youtube where Patchinko paid out the usual 10x even before the ball dropped, the monopoly dices throwing same results on replay ... etc 

The UKGC cannot go and inspect the studios, legaly it cannot be done, and I can assure you there is no kind of surprise visits, negotiations or collaborations between UK and Latvian authorities on this subject. The only thing that I can imagine happening is if many UK players report these irregularities to the UKGC and make them ban these games for UK players.

Now for the roulette part, here are videos that I took from a small landbase here in Spain, and all auto roulettes operate the same way including Lightning roulette.

1. Bets are placed

2. Computer calculate all bets placed by all players and selects a determined number.

3. The determined number is going to pay ONLY IF the machine collected enough money (Money to pay the big win + profit for the casino).

4. It's up to the compressed air and magnets to put the ball in that number.

This means that you seeing the ball spinning and falling on a number is nothing more than just an animation because the number is already pre determined and is 100% not random. Where is my proof?

This is a roulette by NOVOMATIC called Lotus roulette (You can google it) that most "Salon de Juego" here in Spain use and by the way all you're about to see is 100% legal and if you think about sueing them you will not win because on paper it's 100% legal and this is why I said the problem is in the laws and they need to change.

Here's the context of these videos: I was with a friend playing this roulette and I was losing and we started this conversation about it being rigged, and he said it is random and I told him let's run an experiment. I asked him to pick 2 numbers that I will leave without betting and he picked 22 and 9. now check the result in this video:

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[Stevej]

You can't get less than 3 on 3 dices you monkey. There are only 214 possible outcomes. 

You can't get less than 3 on 3 dices you monkey. There are only 214 possible outcomes. 

Lol. What a great argumentation. But since I don’t need to call you monkey as you obviously have to in order to get some boost, I just ask you, what do you mean?

Cause 6 outcomes are obviously (1,1,1), (2,2,2), (3,3.3), (4,4,4), (5,5,5), and (6,6,6). Now, what is the total number of outcomes? 6x6x6 = 216. Therefore, the probability of a triple is 6/216 = 1/36.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Oh and by the way you might say that is not proof enough, It could have been bad luck? A coincidence? Anything? 

The next bet I chose 2 numbers: 2 and 25 and he chose 10 and 23. Check the result:

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This is not bad luck or a coincidence, all auto roulettes operate the same way, when the machine does not have enough money to pay your winnings it WILL NOT pay. The numbers are predetermined and the magnets are 100% accurate, this is also how lightning roulette works. Here's proof which was VERY unfortunate for me and it costed me €13675 euros.

I thought I had the 5 euros chip selected but unfortunately it was 25 and I wasn't paying attention to the bets placed because it had 5 seconds left to bet. The last number that came up was 17 and I had ALL numbers covered minus number 17. Can you guess which number came up?