Kreezymind
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I honestly don’t even know why you are even responding to him lol. Who cares what the slave of the casino has to say, ignore croupier boyJeroen83 said:
Lightning Roulette, yeah keep playing it
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joshnadin
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You're just spewing gibberish. What you have to say is never very coherent, relevant, or adds any value to whatever point I think you're trying to make.Jeroen83 said:
Great that you state that on your website.
Stake and Roobet also stated the same thing in their ToS since opening, yet fully well knew the majority of their player base came from locations where they shouldn't be playing from.
But, even Roobet has recently introduced software where a VPN will not work. Whereas your affiliated casino has not implemented that.
If by now it hasn't sunk in, it's not going to sink in. I'm getting bored or having to very simply explain things to you.
No! I haven't actually played for a good few weeks. But, thanks for asking!Jeroen83 said:
Seeing as you seem to care, I did have a very profitable cash game session last week though! Would you like the details? Or, would you like me to stick to the point at hand, which you've asked me to stick to on numerous occasions?
joshnadin
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"Slave of the casino."
The casinos and game providers (even including Evo) pay me a very generous amount per hour for my expertise, and industry knowledge. They clearly value that I know what I'm talking about.
I would hardly say that constitutes being a slave, huh?
joshnadin
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I never disclosed what I earn, or anything to do with my finances.Jeroen83 said:
Your fellow tin foil hat wearer wanted to imply I was a 'slave' to casinos, and also implied more than once I don't actually do, what I say I do. So I provided some supporting evidence to contradict that.
Wealth is relative to everyone. For some people, £1000 is a lot of money, for others, they spend £500,000 in a day without a thought.
When did this turn into a dick swinging contest about how much money someone makes?
You have no clue about how much money I have, what investments I have, what assets I own, and I frankly don't want to share that information online.
However, from experience, the people that brag about having loads of money and what they make, tend to be broke and just trying to impress others by looking wealthy.
But, thanks again for your super invaluable input.
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joshnadin
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So, being called a 'slave' is implying that I do not get paid at all, or well. Or, that I have no choice in doing what I'm doing.Jeroen83 said:
Would you like me to go and paste the link to the official definition for you so you can understand it properly? You do know what a slave is, right?
Stating that I get compensated generously for my time was not to show off that I make a certain amount of money. It was to emphasise that the industry leaders value my time, expertise, and knowledge enough to pay me that kind of money to help their business and operations. It was to show that I am in fact not a 'slave'.
If you had any form of intelligence or sense you may have realised that.
If I wanted to join in your dick swinging contest I would have not removed the hourly rate I get paid from my screenshot.
But hey, I should know better by now to not expect anything less from you!
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dagreenblazer
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Dude......!!
You just queried the lack of gravity in the Evo studio........
Take my word for it when i say reading Patent Applications will be far, far beyond you!!
I can't deny, this has become the post that just keeps on giving!!
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joshnadin
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This guy man..Jeroen83 said:
You call me stupid. State things like 'what I make will make your weenie shrink', and give it out just as good as you're getting it.
Now you want to go and cry to the moderators and report me? What for exactly? Do you not like that I've had a reasonable, logical response to everything that you've said?
Hilarious.
Don't worry Jeroen, I'll leave you alone and won't make you look any more stupid than what you've already done yourself.
What you really mean is since I've been in this thread, and provided logical explanations that you have no conclusive argument against, you don't like it. Sad.
Absolutely beyond belief isn't it.
Stevej
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I’ve seen these weird scenarios happening too often. In every game I’ve played from Evolution. It’s not like one-two videos from Youtube - it’s new videos every second day. That video doesn’t prove anything like not any of the previous videos, because always somebody come up with new lack of gravity theories. But I have also played roulette in a land-based casino 15 years and never seen things like these happening.
I understand if people work for Evolution or have worked in the industry this is probably pretty sensitive topic and people get emotional when someone telling you the games are rigged.
Keep on posting more stuff/shit/whatever!
Kreezymind
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lol @ the screenshot btw, says fck all, where did you make that croupier? paint?
Would be no surprise that you are linked with Evolution. If you defend that video where the ball is stuck on top of a number and try to explain the logic of it, you are taking drugs way too often, end of.
Would be no surprise that you are linked with Evolution. If you defend that video where the ball is stuck on top of a number and try to explain the logic of it, you are taking drugs way too often, end of.
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Kreezymind
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Do you see any space on this wheel for the ball to get stuck on the position in the video? I dont. And thats just an example of one wheel. Those wheels are made so that shit like this doesnt happen, and it shouldnt unless you tamper with it.
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Hi guys I work in that studio and that day we had an air conditioning too strong and the air currents kept the ball between the numbers until finally somebody realized to turned it off...
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joshnadin
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As I mentioned way back at the beginning, that's because these things happen way more often than you would think.
Your exposure to a roulette wheel in a casino over 15 years is nowhere near that of multiple auto-roulette wheels consistently spinning thousands of times, every single day, from different providers. You just can't use that as any kind of basis for what you're saying.
Regardless of if I'm in the industry, or have worked with Evo, it's not about getting emotional or being sensitive. It's about common sense and logic. Looking at perfectly reasonable explanations, and you not wanting to know, for whatever reason.
I did use paint to crop the image actually! Thanks for noticing!
You can ask me for whatever credentials you want, and I'll be happy to provide them so long as any sensitive information is not shared.
But, I can't continue to try and have any form of intelligent conversation with someone who thought a land based casino game has no RTP. That just shows how much you don't understand the topic you're talking about. Everything you've 'contributed' has zero intelligence, sense, or reason behind it.
As for categorically denying all form of perfectly reasonable explanation and instead insisting that things must be 'rigged', whatever you think rigged is, I'd say you're the far more likely candidate for taking drugs too often.
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If you come across any actual evidence, data, or sensible theory whatsoever, I'll be happy to continue a discussion with you. Until that point, it's like trying to convince Flat Earthers that they're not bat shit crazy for denying simple science, and all rhyme and reason that de-bunks their bizarre conspiracy theories.
I'll leave you all to your circle jerk. Enjoy!
Stevej
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No point of bringing any evidence to you. You wouldn’t step out from your bubble even the ball was flying around that room. And nobody cares if you don’t wanna even question this thing. I’m telling here people to be careful when they play. It’s the stupidiest thing in the world to play live casino games - hosted from Latvia, licensed from Malta - without question how the games work.As I mentioned way back at the beginning, that's because these things happen way more often than you would think.
Your exposure to a roulette wheel in a casino over 15 years is nowhere near that of multiple auto-roulette wheels consistently spinning thousands of times, every single day, from different providers. You just can't use that as any kind of basis for what you're saying.
Regardless of if I'm in the industry, or have worked with Evo, it's not about getting emotional or being sensitive. It's about common sense and logic. Looking at perfectly reasonable explanations, and you not wanting to know, for whatever reason.
I did use paint to crop the image actually! Thanks for noticing!
You can ask me for whatever credentials you want, and I'll be happy to provide them so long as any sensitive information is not shared.
But, I can't continue to try and have any form of intelligent conversation with someone who thought a land based casino game has no RTP. That just shows how much you don't understand the topic you're talking about. Everything you've 'contributed' has zero intelligence, sense, or reason behind it.
As for categorically denying all form of perfectly reasonable explanation and instead insisting that things must be 'rigged', whatever you think rigged is, I'd say you're the far more likely candidate for taking drugs too often.
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If you come across any actual evidence, data, or sensible theory whatsoever, I'll be happy to continue a discussion with you. Until that point, it's like trying to convince Flat Earthers that they're not bat shit crazy for denying simple science, and all rhyme and reason that de-bunks their bizarre conspiracy theories.
I'll leave you all to your circle jerk. Enjoy!
And you just told everybody you work with these companies so totally understand your naive thinking.
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joshnadin
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Mate, of course I would.
But it has to be actual evidence. Concrete proof that something is off. Not just a video of something strange happening. Believe it or not, I would be the first to expose any shady shit, I'm strongly against anything that isn't completely transparent and open to the player. Before anything, I'm also a player myself, and I absolutely love the gambling community.
Okay, you have a point. I could have a biased opinion due to working with some of the brands in question. I get that.
But, I have nothing to gain as an independent contractor to defend them. I'm not on the company payroll. As previously stated, I would question anything that I believed to be dishonest. In fact, I regularly do so.
You're not in a position to call anyone naïve when your throwing around completely baseless theories and refusing to acknowledge some really simple facts.
You've had the opportunity to question me on anything you want, use my inside knowledge to understand how things really work, but all you've done is throw around completely wild theories and spew gibberish without any basis, at all.
Look man. It's clear you won't be reasoned with. Your stance on the matter will never change. You're not open to it, and you don't want to consider any perfectly natural and rational explanation. It's just the same as trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped, it's a waste of time and energy.
So again, feel free to throw any actual evidence in my face as soon as you come across it and I'll eat my words and hold my hands up. Until then, you do you buddy.
joshnadin
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Are you intrigued by my personal life, and sex life Jeroen?Jeroen83 said:
Earlier you brough up 'my weenie', and now you're interested in what me and my girlfriend talk about around the dining table?
But seeing as you ask. No! I'd very likely get the look of 'I wish he would shut the fuck up', rather sternly. That's why I thought I'd try and have sensible discussions with like minded gamblers on forums like this. However, it seems a sensible discussion is asking for a little too much.
"Field experience"? Weird. I never quoted that phrase once. I can tell English isn't your first language, but come on man, try harder to make a bit of sense!
Exactly! Finally some sense from you!Jeroen83 said:
You can't deny the obvious that there is a perfectly logical explanation and there is no logic behind any casino or operator 'rigging' anything! I'm so glad you're finally starting to see the light, my friend.
Hey. I may even bring it up to my girlfriend during dinner that the Tin Foil Hatters are listening to a bit of logic and reason..
Kreezymind
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Jeroen83 said:
Ill reply to you one more time since you are writing up bs again.As I mentioned way back at the beginning, that's because these things happen way more often than you would think.
Your exposure to a roulette wheel in a casino over 15 years is nowhere near that of multiple auto-roulette wheels consistently spinning thousands of times, every single day, from different providers. You just can't use that as any kind of basis for what you're saying.
Regardless of if I'm in the industry, or have worked with Evo, it's not about getting emotional or being sensitive. It's about common sense and logic. Looking at perfectly reasonable explanations, and you not wanting to know, for whatever reason.
I did use paint to crop the image actually! Thanks for noticing!
You can ask me for whatever credentials you want, and I'll be happy to provide them so long as any sensitive information is not shared.
But, I can't continue to try and have any form of intelligent conversation with someone who thought a land based casino game has no RTP. That just shows how much you don't understand the topic you're talking about. Everything you've 'contributed' has zero intelligence, sense, or reason behind it.
As for categorically denying all form of perfectly reasonable explanation and instead insisting that things must be 'rigged', whatever you think rigged is, I'd say you're the far more likely candidate for taking drugs too often.
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If you come across any actual evidence, data, or sensible theory whatsoever, I'll be happy to continue a discussion with you. Until that point, it's like trying to convince Flat Earthers that they're not bat shit crazy for denying simple science, and all rhyme and reason that de-bunks their bizarre conspiracy theories.
I'll leave you all to your circle jerk. Enjoy!
First of all i dont care about your credentials and your job, nobody here does and will. Second, you keep saying there are perfectly reasonable explanations, well give them then? Give me evidence that the wheel was not rigged, explain to me how the ball gets stuck on there while there should be no room between the cilinders where it could get stuck. You keep saying show proof or data its rigged. I ask you to do the same, you CANT... all you can do is believe the provider of the game is not rigging games, wake up son its 2021 these things happen.
You think because they have so much to lose they wont or cant rig any games? If you've found a way to rig games and nobody would ever find out, and this makes you hundreds of millions of dollars more a lot of people would do it, easy. Also the form of corruption and people being paid off is immense, how can you know that is not going on? Exactly, you cant all you can do is take their word for it. The MGA UKCG all are crooks and have nothing but self interest. If you think these organizations are here for the players, you are dreaming, they don't give a fck.
The video in question is straight up, and again no its not normal. If this was normal, there would be numerous videos like this out there, but you barely find them because its NOT normal. Just imagine, the multiple roulette wheels spinning constantly almost 24/7. How much spins is that in a week? millions or even a lot more, you are gonna tell me in the sample since these machines where introduced, this has only happened twice? yeah right lol. The idiot controlling it in the studio fcked up and he probably got fired for it.
You can scream tin foil hat all you want, until there is a logical explanation for the video's which still aint been brought up, people should be warned for these games.
I encourage you to keep playing them tho, as you are convinced they are perfectly normal, but i have the idea you never play these type of games anyway.
hateTINfoils
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I am long time on this forum but as unregistered and usually just use this forum to see what is happening in gaming because I work in this industry... but reading this my eye was twitching so hard so I could not resist to make an account and write this one and only message.
First of all, all you tinfoil boys ... you do realize there is math on any game which is of course on game creator/provider side ? By default in long term house wins, there is literally 0 reason to rig the game.
Also what you think is easier to rig, actual LIVE streamed physical game or RNG slot where you can change RTP from 96.4% to 92.2% with one press of a button. Why you don't write any topics about rigged slots?
Also they are listed company, their reputation, compliance to regulators etc. is most important for them since any break of a law will result with heavy damages to their stock price.
Evolution is the only live casino till date who operates LEGALLY in USA, do you know what a process is to pass USA regulators ? they will inspect everything even your grandmas house to be eligible.
Why would they risk to take your extra 5 EUROS by rigging game to risk their whole operations world wide ?
There is no UNLIMITED money supply for players, why would they take it super fast in 20 rounds and making player experience loss loss loss if they can just use the Roulette game which has been here for centuries with 2.7% margin and stream it live. Again there is 0 sense of what you are writing....
I am sure even after 10000 people will tell you their are not rigged you wont believe just because how low brain capacity you have and how true degenerate gamblers always find another excuse to their own loses.
First of all, all you tinfoil boys ... you do realize there is math on any game which is of course on game creator/provider side ? By default in long term house wins, there is literally 0 reason to rig the game.
Also what you think is easier to rig, actual LIVE streamed physical game or RNG slot where you can change RTP from 96.4% to 92.2% with one press of a button. Why you don't write any topics about rigged slots?
Also they are listed company, their reputation, compliance to regulators etc. is most important for them since any break of a law will result with heavy damages to their stock price.
Evolution is the only live casino till date who operates LEGALLY in USA, do you know what a process is to pass USA regulators ? they will inspect everything even your grandmas house to be eligible.
Why would they risk to take your extra 5 EUROS by rigging game to risk their whole operations world wide ?
There is no UNLIMITED money supply for players, why would they take it super fast in 20 rounds and making player experience loss loss loss if they can just use the Roulette game which has been here for centuries with 2.7% margin and stream it live. Again there is 0 sense of what you are writing....
I am sure even after 10000 people will tell you their are not rigged you wont believe just because how low brain capacity you have and how true degenerate gamblers always find another excuse to their own loses.
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Kreezymind
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You are saying the same as your colleague. Nothing new, still no explanation about the video that was posted and what this topic is about. Why would they do it? Why would they risk it? why why why?. Exactly.
And yet another one from the Industry. Funny as that are the only people defending this video and saying its normal lol. Ive yet to see a player here whos not in the industry, seen this video and think hey thats normal, and actually looks fun, ill play some lightning roulette. Who are you fooling dude.
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joshnadin
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You're literally the one who brought up my credentials and challenged what I do.
It only seems you don't care when the situation doesn't suit your narrative, as usual.
There doesn't need to be a huge, long winded, scientific theory as to why it happened. It is just an anomaly. Something pretty weird happened. That's it.
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Honestly man. You're golden. Keep coming up with these, please!
You have literally zero basis to quote that anyone is corrupt and people are being paid off.
You're actually delusional. Like, to the point where I would recommend you seek medical attention because if you beliefs are genuinely in line with the nonsense you're spewing, I feel sorry for you.
Again, the fact you believe there is someone in the studio controlling the outcome and got fired for a ball getting stuck due to a malfunction is absolutely insane.
Do you listen to yourself? Are you actually reading what you're writing?
No, it's not a normal outcome. Obviously. There is greater than a one in a million chance of it happening. But, that does not mean it's rigged. Just because something out of the ordinary happens doesn't have to mean something is wrong. If you do anything over, and over again enough times, you're going to get some extraordinarily strange results.
You have been provided with many logical explanations. You don't want to know about any of them.
No amount of logic anyone says will ever get through to you, because you're clearly not capable of any kind of intelligent thought process. The absolute garbage that you keep saying keeps proving time and time again that you have zero understanding of simple maths, zero understanding of odds and probability, zero understanding of how casinos and games work, you know literally nothing about the topic you're so adamant about.
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