DO NOT PLAY WILD SWARM!!

Big Time Gaming official said:
There is no dispute in the math it's 60/40 in the players favour on each single spin after the initial spin from 8. What you need to remember is the odds roll. From the first spin to get to 24 is a 1 in 10 chance. However, if you get enough scatters to start at 20 then the single gamble is 60/40 in your favour, these are the hard stats for getting 24 spins:

0.5 x 0.6 x 0.6 x 0.6 = 0.108 or 1 in 10
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So just to be sure i understand it correct. If i get 8 spins from start, then there is 10% chance i will get 24 spins if i gamble all the way?

 
BTGKinG said:
So just to be sure i understand it correct. If i get 8 spins from start, then there is 10% chance i will get 24 spins if i gamble all the way?
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Thats what is being said....in reality though...hmm. As I mentioned on the other Chilli thread, RNG has to come into it as well somewhere so its going to be a very complex algorithm. I still think that maths above is completely misleading as it depends surely on other factors such as RNG

 
Ive hit Wild swarm whilst playing at just £0.40 spins, it paid £328, but i agree with some comments Bonanza can take hundreds of spins to drop for example i autoplayed my way through some 1000 spins yesterday and the bonus didn't drop, however my balance when starting was at £420 and playing £0.40p spins my balance after the mass autoplays was £365 so i was lucky to only lose £55 from nearly 1000 spins. It sucks how its so hard to bonus but its also great that it doesn't cost you the world to try and get it.

 
1600 spins later (not counting the spins I hade to make to reach the max level) SIXTEEN HUNDRED SPINS. Can you imagine how much money I've been lured in to consuming to trigger this bonus? @Push Gaming First of all, it feels like you lower the drop rate of bees as soon as you reach the max level. Second of all, there is no such indication of the success rate of triggering the wild swarm. I mean is it a fixed number? So after reaching level 5 there is a range between 1-50 bees you have to get to trigger? Or is it a 5% trigger chance as well as a random chance of a bee triggering?

I believe some of these questions should (if not even that you are obliged to answer them) be answered
Both for your customers sake, but as well for your credability in the community.

I've seen you answer in this thread but you didn't adress anyone really. So please Adress me.


I've calculated that on average I reach a bee every 5 spins (roughly 1000 spins sample) when I've not maxed out the swarm level. Whereof I only get a bee every 20-25 spins (1600 spins sample) after I've maxed out the swarm level. If this is calculated then I believe you are tricking your audiences?

Regards,
Schleem

 
This is the Problem with this collector Slots.Most times it ends disappointing.In fairness I have to say that I tried swarm once with bets from 2-20 euro.

Once I hit the final Level it took only 10-15 spins and second bee activated on 10 € stake. Result around 250x. I do not know what I spend to get there but in General 

Ok ,some nice bonuses inbetween. It is what is but I prefer the non collector Slots.(Thats why I do not like holydiver from the start).In fairnes to PUSH there are People

who never won anything on JamminJars but as we all know there is huge potential.Just for some of this megapotent Slots they skip some Players and pay some

enormously.

 I for example never had mor than 200 x  on Bonanza and believe me I tried hard;-)

 
Bonanza and WWTBAM are two of the biggest balance killing games out there now. What has changed? These used to be two of the best.

 
Got this about 2 weeks ago. Played this game 2 eur spin.  Sometimes this game is really good. But the wins are not very frequent.

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Why do people think that if a feature/bonus is hard to get, that it's going to pay massive? It does not work that way, in order for bonuses to pay big there has to be bad bonuses, otherwise if all bonuses would pay massive there would not be any wins in the base game, all the RTP would be in the bonuses.

Just because a provider makes volatile slots does not mean that all the slots in their lineup are crazy volatile. I would say that Wild Swarm is low/medium volatile. And yes I have played it myself, have had a couple of hundreds x wins in both base game/feature/freespins. Have popped the hive twice, no monster wins but both were around 150x.

Makes me think of when Immortal Romance was new, all the hype with the Wild Desire made me want to get a Wild Desire, I think I made around 2000 spins before getting it, I remember I lost many deposits chasing the damn thing, when I finally got it, it paid 0X.

 
Just been playing on Wild Swarm, thought I was doing okay when I got to Max swarm, thought yeah I am almost there bitch, gonna win me some big money. 

Mother fuckin nigh on 200 bees have gone in the god damn hive and nothing. 

I’m down nearly a monkey. I even resorted to measuring the size of the bees goin in the hive and there’s no fuckin way nigh on 200 bees would fit in the cunt. 

What a a waste of time. 

 
Over 2500 spins on max hive, over 200 bees and still nothing. If it’s any compensation I just got the feature and won 8 fuckin pence, no joke........

8 FUCKIN PENCE 

 
@Push Gaming

I enjoy the game, I don't see why people are complaning, i don't mind it being 50 spins or 500 spins after max level, it adds some action to it, and considering outaide the bonus it has huge potential, i won 820€ just from the mystery box alone with the multiplayer in same run!

Imagine if it was 25spins n u get the swarm guys, u bet with lowest bet size and then u max the bet, the casino would lose big time if the spins was less then 50/100

 
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I don't really like investment games myself cause if I run out of balance then I'm just gonna stick more in just to see that bonus on the off chance that it pays the big boy bucks

 
Push Gaming said:
@fraudmaud

Hi Fraudmaud,

Thanks for the feedback on our game, we are sorry that you didn't enjoy it as much as we had hoped. We understand the concerns you have raised about
the swarm mode being difficult to achieve however this has to be the case for us to offer the level of payouts which we do when it is reached. The math has been certified and has an RTP of 97.03. Now obviously with these kinds of games, the nature of probability comes into play and some players will achieve the swarm mode faster than others. We again are sorry you didn't enjoy this release from us and we know that its not always possible to please everybody but hopefully this explanation has answered some of your concerns and hopefully you will be able to enjoy the game as on the whole it has been a huge hit with large numbers of our customers.
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What the heck does "partner cashier error" mean!!!!!???? Game crashes after couple minutes of play (had this like 20 times already). both on pc and mobile.  And game plays out of the ordinary. No boxes or bonuses for who knows how long. And don't take it as a whining because I don't win - problems started after the first error message and reloading the game. I'm playing on @Leovegas. Problem is clearly on your and casinos end

 
Big Time Gaming official said:
This is well documented on here and other forums, what you see is what you get with Extra Chilli - the first gamble is 50/50 and the rest are 60/40 odds on (in your favour).
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Seems legit. Lost 23 times in a row. Guess it's 1 in a million chance that it went so bad....wait.....it's more like 1 from bazillion

 
yeppp. DO NOT!!! i played till swarm mode. 0,40e and shit load of spins till level 5, and after taht i  took 70bees. that means even MORE spins... and i spent at  least like 500e to get there... and guess what... goddamn 90e ant thank u  - play again. faaaak that.

 
AVOID THE GAME!!! took me £120 on 20p to reach level 5.... I'm now £600 down on £1 spins trying to pop the hive. Im calling it quits, going to do 60p now. Did have an 84x base game Wooo. 

 
Alexs said:
AVOID THE GAME!!! took me £120 on 20p to reach level 5.... I'm now £600 down on £1 spins trying to pop the hive. Im calling it quits, going to do 60p now. Did have an 84x base game Wooo. 
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Now down £1100 currently doing 40p at what point do I totally give up... Might do 50 more and throw up every time I see it again... 

 
I think good advice of the op. A bit late for me as I'm still in the struggle to get to level 5 on EUR 0,20 and 0,40 bets. Luckily not on higher bets, as I had experience with this build up games from the past....

I was a bit lucky with some good base game hits, some free spins from the boxes, so actually my balance isn't dented that much.

I played other games in between so hard to tell what is the P&L so far but I guess it's not more than EUR 25 loss. Maybe even close to BE.

Soon I will hit level 5. Maybe keep track of statistics from then on..... Will post an update here....

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