Slotspinner
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youd be good with some patience, personally im not expecting evolution or push gaming to reply within this short time
should this be possible? jammin jars
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budskap
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If that pre-determined result is picked at random it's random too, just not your definition of random..
Slotspinner
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Push Gaming OLD
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Hi Guys,
Sorry for the delay on the topic, I will reply very shortly with an official response.
Sorry for the delay on the topic, I will reply very shortly with an official response.
Thanks for the reply, looking forward to see the response. And just to make it clear i made the topic because i was curious to hear what the odds were for it to happen. I did not make the post because i think that the provider, casino or streamers are cheating.
dirtystack
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I have no idea about math, probability etc
but
By my simplified and wrong calculation if the payout figure ranges from 1x to 3000x, not counting any partial shenanigans, wouldn't the odds of two people hitting the same payout be in the region of 9 000 000 to 1 if there were just 2 people playing?
Divided by the amount of people playing which is thousands
and the amount of spins which is thousands
I guess that brings the number down to 1/1 that people all over the place are hitting the same payout as each-other without ever knowing about it.
But
Its at the top end, stupidly rare multiplier and there is probably upwards of 500 000 possible individual multipliers and it just so happens, so soon after release, 2 popular streamers hit the same multiplier.
This is indeed proof
of
Streamer luck!
I don't think one way or the other, my mind never stops conjuring up scenarios in its attempts to understand the world around it, everything from the logical to the impossible to this all been a construct of my imagination, leaving me puzzled as to why I would bother and cause so much confusion!
Lets figure this out and ascend!
Oh, maybe I did it for my own entertainment, it is pretty interesting and I can't wait to see what push gaming say.
My hope is they go into quite a bit of depth about the mechanics of slots; runs the risk of shattering the illusion people have about them but that is a risk they should take in my opinion.
but
By my simplified and wrong calculation if the payout figure ranges from 1x to 3000x, not counting any partial shenanigans, wouldn't the odds of two people hitting the same payout be in the region of 9 000 000 to 1 if there were just 2 people playing?
Divided by the amount of people playing which is thousands
and the amount of spins which is thousands
I guess that brings the number down to 1/1 that people all over the place are hitting the same payout as each-other without ever knowing about it.
But
Its at the top end, stupidly rare multiplier and there is probably upwards of 500 000 possible individual multipliers and it just so happens, so soon after release, 2 popular streamers hit the same multiplier.
This is indeed proof
of
Streamer luck!
I don't think one way or the other, my mind never stops conjuring up scenarios in its attempts to understand the world around it, everything from the logical to the impossible to this all been a construct of my imagination, leaving me puzzled as to why I would bother and cause so much confusion!
Lets figure this out and ascend!
Oh, maybe I did it for my own entertainment, it is pretty interesting and I can't wait to see what push gaming say.
My hope is they go into quite a bit of depth about the mechanics of slots; runs the risk of shattering the illusion people have about them but that is a risk they should take in my opinion.
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Push Gaming OLD
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Hi All,
First of all sorry for not responding sooner.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method is extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in circa 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
First of all sorry for not responding sooner.
To understand what has happened in the above video you will need to understand how the game is designed. So here's some background information on Jammin’ Jars.
The game does work by randomly picking a win/loss from an extensive pool of results, as picked up and explained by some of the members here. The wins are represented through cascading symbols, the random giant fruits feature and multiplying wilds, rather than traditional spinning reels. This makes the win sequences very long and therefore makes the game extremely complex mathematically.
The nature and complexity of creating a well-balanced model for this game, whilst making it enjoyable for players using a typical video slot method is extremely difficult (we would argue impossible). We do not use this method in our reel based video slots.
As the results are selected from a pool of results, what happened on the two streams was highly unlikely as there is a huge amount of possible results for each winning category across the base and bonus rounds, in this case, 1,600x in the base game. The game is certified by a third party (eCOGRA) and runs on a 96.83% RTP.
As the video shows two of exactly the same result, which is incredibly unlikely to happen (1 in circa 1.3 million), we understand the suspicions, but as was suggested by some members in this thread we have not and cannot give anyone a result to play through.
Lookslikewukong
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1:1.300.000 still better odds than winning the Lottery ?
Slotspinner
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what about kims back to back to back to back tornado farm bonuses tho that was like 1:20 million
of course its extremely unlikely event, but its also the first time such thing happened across 2 years plus i assume quite a few games operate in the way of jammin jars just hasnt happened yet perhaps?
just my thought
Lookslikewukong
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It has no point to argue with this guy you could show him the color green and he would try to convince you that it is red
chryme187
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I am allowed to have my opinion @Lookslikewu funny thing on the side im mod on slotspinners channel and i argue with him all the time about slots
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dirtystack
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I'm satisfied, just got a 1993x hit on Jamin Jars.
Did anyone else?
Did anyone else?
OnlyOneUnit
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TY for the answer push gaming. I almost thought it was impossible to find a computer who can calculate the rtp of that slot if i it would be real random. 1 to 1.3 mio is low enough that this can easily happen. If all would be random the chances for the exactly same startscreen would be
about 1 to 542100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -
I was pretty sure the slots fits the regulations - but this is not how i like it. All combinations of wins aren´t possible - just those who are predetermined.
If you make 1 spin every second it would take you 522800000000000000000000000000000000000 years to get the same start screen again in average.
Are the other push-gaming slots the same? i would like to know because i wouldnt like to play them.
about 1 to 542100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 -
I was pretty sure the slots fits the regulations - but this is not how i like it. All combinations of wins aren´t possible - just those who are predetermined.
If you make 1 spin every second it would take you 522800000000000000000000000000000000000 years to get the same start screen again in average.
Are the other push-gaming slots the same? i would like to know because i wouldnt like to play them.
Slotspinner
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nothing wrong with a good portion of arguing bro!
anyone can have their opinion, we just together try to find out whats fact arent we
CasinoNinja
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This slot is basically disguised a slot but actually is just a mega scratchcard type, where they just pull a result from their pools of wins, which is why you have identical wins. It's still random and fair, but it's just lazy programming. Basically the jar hopping around won't be random, it's not possible to get endless multipliers as they have a pool of wins to take from and max win is 20.000x
There is a quite an interesting thread on casinomeister with more discussion on this here: Forum thread
It's a bit dissapointing really, it's not like Bonanza where you could (even though the chance is really really slim) have "endless" multipliers.
There is a quite an interesting thread on casinomeister with more discussion on this here: Forum thread
It's a bit dissapointing really, it's not like Bonanza where you could (even though the chance is really really slim) have "endless" multipliers.
bednak
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Hello !
Hey buddy, What about David and Kathleen Long who won TWICE 1 million £ on the euromillion lottery ? ( 2013 and 2015)
Odds were like 1 in 283 BILLIONS ...Rigged ?
Just kidding a bit btw, don't take it bad
But that example is just to show that even the odds of something happening look like impossible, it can still happend. To be honest, 1 in 1.3 millions is not that big I think. Look at the odds of winning at some lotteries.Ok, look at it this way (this isn't any backside information as I'm not a slot provider and I don't work for a slot provider), as a slot is set to give out a certain RTP, every possible spin result is in a pool of spins, to make it easy, lets say you have 10 possible outcomes when you hit the spin button, now you click spin, you get one of those 10 possible outcomes.
Now a slot doesn't have 10 possible outcomes it has millions (I assume) but from looking at that video, all outcomes is allready set once you hit spin what the outcome will be (I can't say about free spins, but as that was a base game hit) it's set.
So it's like all losses/wins are "prerecorded" and even if all "prerecorded" outcomes is millions with a slot like Jammin Jars and a big win like that it is notised. And the with the millions of spins that is played on the slot that people get exactly the same spin isn't strange in itself, but just because Jammin Jars is designed the way it is with a huge grid and "drop down" symbols it looks fishy but it really isn't if you look at it the way I just described.
Now a slot doesn't have 10 possible outcomes it has millions (I assume) but from looking at that video, all outcomes is allready set once you hit spin what the outcome will be (I can't say about free spins, but as that was a base game hit) it's set.
So it's like all losses/wins are "prerecorded" and even if all "prerecorded" outcomes is millions with a slot like Jammin Jars and a big win like that it is notised. And the with the millions of spins that is played on the slot that people get exactly the same spin isn't strange in itself, but just because Jammin Jars is designed the way it is with a huge grid and "drop down" symbols it looks fishy but it really isn't if you look at it the way I just described.
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