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It should be. It depends on the implementation, but it's likely to be displayed in the results response message from the server after you press the spin button. 

 
The Reel Story said:
It should be. It depends on the implementation, but it's likely to be displayed in the results response message from the server after you press the spin button. 
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Okey. I have a friend who thinks he can change the outcome of the bonus by stopping the reels. I believe it’s already predetermined. Maby I’m wrong here but it would be fun to know if their is a way to check.

 
Some bonus rounds are calculated before Some during I think but stopping the reels doesn't change outcome even if did it could change a good outcome for a bad one so its all down to rtp and random generator 

 
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Illbeoveryou said:
Okey. I have a friend who thinks he can change the outcome of the bonus by stopping the reels. I believe it’s already predetermined. Maby I’m wrong here but it would be fun to know if their is a way to check.
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He's wrong. Stopping the reels does nothing. And yes, if you turn on the network monitor in Chrome dev tools, you will be able to view the game requests/responses with a timestamp. You'll likely be able to see the result of the entire round in there long before the graphics play it out.

It does depend on the game provider though. BTG, for instance, send every spin to the RNG (even each spin in a bonus round), however you will still see the result of that spin come back in the communications, and then the graphics will show it, so stopping the reels still wouldn't do anything.

 
The Reel Story said:
He's wrong. Stopping the reels does nothing. And yes, if you turn on the network monitor in Chrome dev tools, you will be able to view the game requests/responses with a timestamp. You'll likely be able to see the result of the entire round in there long before the graphics play it out.

It does depend on the game provider though. BTG, for instance, send every spin to the RNG (even each spin in a bonus round), however you will still see the result of that spin come back in the communications, and then the graphics will show it, so stopping the reels still wouldn't do anything.
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Would you or somebody else be kind to screen-record and show me? I tried myself but could not find anything? Maby I’m doin it wrong.. 

 
on a side note would you guys rather have predetermined bonuses or leave it up to RNG like BTG?

Part of me kind of prefers the predetermined bonuses, but at the same time it just feels like a 'rigged' way slot providers can control the RTP easier by giving a lot of crappy bonuses vs rare good ones. Whereas the random bonuses anything can happen, but at the same time most of those bonuses will probably be crap anyway if it truly is random and the bonus ends up being a slight 'edge' vs just base game spins.

 
The Macho Man said:
on a side note would you guys rather have predetermined bonuses or leave it up to RNG like BTG?

Part of me kind of prefers the predetermined bonuses, but at the same time it just feels like a 'rigged' way slot providers can control the RTP easier by giving a lot of crappy bonuses vs rare good ones. Whereas the random bonuses anything can happen, but at the same time most of those bonuses will probably be crap anyway if it truly is random and the bonus ends up being a slight 'edge' vs just base game spins.
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You're misinterpreting 'pre-determined' here. The result is still random and is still determined by the RNG, but the whole bonus result is generated at the point you click the spin button, rather than spin by spin within the bonus. It makes no difference which way you do it in terms of the result and the RTP.

Think of it like this. If I roll a dice in front of you 5 times, you will see 5 random numbers one after the other. If I roll 5 dice behind a sheet, and then take away the sheet to show you all 5 at once, you will see 5 random numbers all at the same time. The end result is you still see 5 random numbers.

 
The Reel Story said:
You're misinterpreting 'pre-determined' here. The result is still random and is still determined by the RNG, but the whole bonus result is generated at the point you click the spin button, rather than spin by spin within the bonus. It makes no difference which way you do it in terms of the result and the RTP.

Think of it like this. If I roll a dice in front of you 5 times, you will see 5 random numbers one after the other. If I roll 5 dice behind a sheet, and then take away the sheet to show you all 5 at once, you will see 5 random numbers all at the same time. The end result is you still see 5 random numbers.
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but technically aren't those 5 hidden rolls not random since all that matters here is a predetermined return outcome? 

like lets say each dice roll is a multiplier, if its predetermined when you hit spin and lets say your win is 10x. wouldnt the rolls of 6, 1,1,1,1 be predetermined if thats how it played out and its not really random.

whereas with the BTG, if each spin is truly random you don't know your overall outcome yet until the last spin?

 
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The Macho Man said:
but technically aren't those 5 hidden rolls not random since all that matters here is a predetermined return outcome? 

like lets say each dice roll is a multiplier, if its predetermined when you hit spin and lets say your win is 10x. wouldnt the rolls of 6, 1,1,1,1 be predetermined if thats how it played out and its not really random.

whereas with the BTG, if each spin is truly random you don't know your overall outcome yet until the last spin?
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It's still random. Each of those dice is still random. Both methods are just as random as each other. It makes no difference. 

As long as you place your bet before the dice are rolled, and get your payout after all the results of the dice are shown to you, it makes no difference whatsoever if those dice were rolled one by one or all 5 at the same time. 

You may prefer it one way or the other, which is fine, but both methods are exactly as random as each other.

In your example, if each dice result was a multiplier win, then yes, the dice rolls would be like that. But the dice would not be rolled until after you clicked spin, and rolling them all together doesn't stop each dice from being random 😊

The Macho Man said:
but technically aren't those 5 hidden rolls not random since all that matters here is a predetermined return outcome? 

like lets say each dice roll is a multiplier, if its predetermined when you hit spin and lets say your win is 10x. wouldnt the rolls of 6, 1,1,1,1 be predetermined if thats how it played out and its not really random.

whereas with the BTG, if each spin is truly random you don't know your overall outcome yet until the last spin?
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Oh, and it isn't a predetermined return outcome. The game doesn't say 'your win will be 100x,now let me work out a result that matches that'. It determines the Reel stops for each spin, and those reel stops determine your wins based on the symbols present. 

No slot determines your payout value up front. The payout is always calculated based on the results of the reels and the wins you hit based on the symbols, features etc. 

 
7 hours ago, The Reel Story said:

Here you go!

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Thank you!! 🙏 I can now tell how much every spin in the bonus will pay before all the spins is played 😄

Another question:

If I play 5spins on £1 and get a bonus would the same bonus with same outcome would have come with a £10 bet?

 
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Illbeoveryou said:
Thank you!! 🙏 I can now tell how much every spin in the bonus will pay before all the spins is played 😄

Another question:

If I play 5spins on £1 and get a bonus would the same bonus with same outcome would have come with a £10 bet?
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Np 😊

If everything was identical except the stake, then yes, the bonus would have been the same. 

Stake has no impact on the result. 

 
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