Big win in Auto Roulette. Holy Grail? 100000$ from 2000$

[explorer]

OMG, I honestly  feel sad for him . It must be really depressing to loose that life changing  sum. Casinos dirty trick worked indeed. 

In this case, it was justified for the casino to conduct an investigation into the winnings. There have been numerous instances of players cheating at auto/electronic roulette, which is illegal in most jurisdictions and always against T&C. To go on two once-in-a-lifetime roulette winning streaks in auto-roulette within days of each other is going to raise red flags, and I would not expect such an investigation to be concluded within a day or two. This also explains the ban against playing roulette.

Not an endorsement of the casino in question nor an accusation towards the OP, but I don't think the specific actions taken by the casino here were out of line. The only thing the casino could've done that they didn't do is to suspend the OP from playing altogether until the investigation was complete, or lock the withdrawals.

 

[dublinjay]

In this case, it was justified for the casino to conduct an investigation into the winnings. There have been numerous instances of players cheating at auto/electronic roulette, which is illegal in most jurisdictions and always against T&C. To go on two once-in-a-lifetime roulette winning streaks in auto-roulette within days of each other is going to raise red flags, and I would not expect such an investigation to be concluded within a day or two.

Not an endorsement of the casino in question nor an accusation towards the OP, but I don't think the specific actions taken by the casino here were out of line.

Is it really possible to cheat on auto roulettes ? I didn't know that and also I have a feeling if he had played on reputable casinos like leovegas he would have got his winnings within a week or so . 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

In this case, it was justified for the casino to conduct an investigation into the winnings. There have been numerous instances of players cheating at auto/electronic roulette, which is illegal in most jurisdictions and always against T&C. To go on two once-in-a-lifetime roulette winning streaks in auto-roulette within days of each other is going to raise red flags, and I would not expect such an investigation to be concluded within a day or two. This also explains the ban against playing roulette.

Not an endorsement of the casino in question nor an accusation towards the OP, but I don't think the specific actions taken by the casino here were out of line. The only thing the casino could've done that they didn't do is to suspend the OP from playing altogether until the investigation was complete, or lock the withdrawals.

There is no way to cheat an auto-roulette on the Internet. They're the ones who actually cheat you because auto-roulettes have magnets, and they're not even considered roulette wheels in regulations, they're electronic gaming machines, same as slots.

 

[explorer]

There is no way to cheat an auto-roulette on the Internet. They're the ones who actually cheat you because auto-roulettes have magnets, and they're not even considered roulette wheels in regulations, they're electronic gaming machines, same as slots.

There is no incentive for casinos, gaming device manufacturers, or live casino providers, to have biased equipment. The casino is guaranteed 2.7% GGR margin on roulette (which is much higher than blackjack or baccarat) over the long run, the manufacturer is simply paid on equipment sales, and the live casino provider simply operates the game and doesn't deal with wagers. The coordinated financial investment and effort, let alone risk, that would be required to rig a game would be better spent on customer acquisition/retention. And any person involved in such a conspiracy with the skill and disregard for the law to cheat in favor of the casino, would instead cheat for themselves and take down the house at roulette.

Casinos and live casino providers have countermeasures to prevent cheating, but that doesn't mean people don't cheat.

 

[dublinjay]

There is no incentive for casinos, gaming device manufacturers, or live casino providers, to have biased equipment. The casino is guaranteed 2.7% GGR margin on roulette (which is much higher than blackjack or baccarat) over the long run, the manufacturer is simply paid on equipment sales, and the live casino provider simply operates the game and doesn't deal with wagers. The coordinated financial investment and effort, let alone risk, that would be required to rig a game would be better spent on customer acquisition/retention. And any person involved in such a conspiracy with the skill and disregard for the law to cheat in favor of the casino, would instead cheat for themselves and take down the house at roulette.

Casinos and live casino providers have countermeasures to prevent cheating, but that doesn't mean people don't cheat.

I dont agree with magnets theory myself and also dont agree with this auto roulette cheating mechanisms . Correct me if I am wrong , how is auto roulette( not talking about electronic )  different from live roulette from technology POV ? The only difference i see between them is at the start of the spin i.e. live roulette ball is spun by human and auto roulette ball is automatic from the machine . 

Eventhough I am not sure,  I think evolution would use  the same database schema to register the winning number and the same back end programming language and the codes to retrieve the result and pay the winnings ? 

If one is possible to cheat auto-roulette , he/she would also be able to cheat live roulette too . 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

There is no incentive for casinos, gaming device manufacturers, or live casino providers, to have biased equipment. The casino is guaranteed 2.7% GGR margin on roulette (which is much higher than blackjack or baccarat) over the long run, the manufacturer is simply paid on equipment sales, and the live casino provider simply operates the game and doesn't deal with wagers. The coordinated financial investment and effort, let alone risk, that would be required to rig a game would be better spent on customer acquisition/retention. And any person involved in such a conspiracy with the skill and disregard for the law to cheat in favor of the casino, would instead cheat for themselves and take down the house at roulette.

Casinos and live casino providers have countermeasures to prevent cheating, but that doesn't mean people don't cheat.

The question is not IF the auto-roulette has magnets or not, it literally works with compressed air and magnets. The number is predetermined after the bets are closed, so when you see the ball spinning and falling it is nothing more than an annimation for show.  This is absolutely not fair to players but it is LEGAL.

On paper, the auto-roulettes as I mentioned before are considered electronic gaming machines, they have a setup RTP same as a slot machine. The minimum RTP for these machines by law is 70%, which most landbased casinos use.

As for Evolution Gaming, even their manual roulettes (Immersive Roulette i.e) is rigged with vibrating the ball which was caught many times on videos that you can find on Youtube. They're not risking their license because their studios are based in Latvia, no gambling commission from other countries such as UKGC, have the authority to inspect the studios because it's outside their juristiction. 

 

[explorer]

The question is not IF the auto-roulette has magnets or not, it literally works with compressed air and magnets. The number is predetermined after the bets are closed, so when you see the ball spinning and falling it is nothing more than an annimation for show.  This is absolutely not fair to players but it is LEGAL.

On paper, the auto-roulettes as I mentioned before are considered electronic gaming machines, they have a setup RTP same as a slot machine. The minimum RTP for these machines by law is 70%, which most landbased casinos use.

As for Evolution Gaming, even their manual roulettes (Immersive Roulette i.e) is rigged with vibrating the ball which was caught many times on videos that you can find on Youtube. They're not risking their license because their studios are based in Latvia, no gambling commission from other countries such as UKGC, have the authority to inspect the studios because it's outside their juristiction. 

What you are describing is a fake roulette wheel (which do exist), not a real roulette wheel. A genuine auto-roulette wheel, with 97.3% RTP (as clearly stated in the game rules) is nothing more than a motorized wheel with a pneumatic ball collector/launcher and sensors to detect things like winning number and wheel bias. There is literally zero reason for a manufacturer to invest in building a real auto-roulette machine when they could build a slot machine for a fraction of the price. And putting a fake 70% RTP "roulette" machine in place of a fair roulette wheel with a stated RTP of 97.3% would in fact be illegal. If you walked up to a random "auto-roulette" game at a sleazy casino or betting shop with no stated RTP, then you would have a point that the game should be approached with extreme caution.

Evolution, NetEnt, and others have their studios based in places like Latvia, Romania, and Georgia because it's much cheaper than it is in places like the UK. They're still a UKGC and MGA-licensed supplier who provide games to licensed casinos.

I dont agree with magnets theory myself and also dont agree with this auto roulette cheating mechanisms . Correct me if I am wrong , how is auto roulette( not talking about electronic )  different from live roulette from technology POV ? The only difference i see between them is at the start of the spin i.e. live roulette ball is spun by human and auto roulette ball is automatic from the machine . 

Eventhough I am not sure,  I think evolution would use  the same database schema to register the winning number and the same back end programming language and the codes to retrieve the result and pay the winnings ? 

If one is possible to cheat auto-roulette , he/she would also be able to cheat live roulette too . 

People have, and do cheat at live roulette using computers. They sometimes even make the news, but you are right that there are many countermeasures in place (randomized ball/wheel speed, closing bets earlier, wheel bias detection, dealer/ball changes, etc) to prevent it. I don't know the feasibility on Evolution's wheels, but my main point was that on the surface, it's not unreasonable for a casino to conduct a security check after two highly improbable roulette runs in short succession by a player. Again, no endorsement of the casino in question, which I would personally never play at.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

What you are describing is a fake roulette wheel (which do exist), not a real roulette wheel. A genuine auto-roulette wheel, with 97.3% RTP (as clearly stated in the game rules) is nothing more than a motorized wheel with a pneumatic ball collector/launcher and sensors to detect things like winning number and wheel bias. There is literally zero reason for a manufacturer to invest in building a real auto-roulette machine when they could build a slot machine for a fraction of the price. And putting a fake 70% RTP "roulette" machine in place of a fair roulette wheel with a stated RTP of 97.3% would in fact be illegal. If you walked up to a random "auto-roulette" game at a sleazy casino or betting shop with no stated RTP, then you would have a point that the game should be approached with extreme caution.

Evolution, NetEnt, and others have their studios based in places like Latvia, Romania, and Georgia because it's much cheaper than it is in places like the UK. They're still a UKGC and MGA-licensed supplier who provide games to licensed casinos.

People have, and do cheat at live roulette using computers. They sometimes even make the news, but you are right that there are many countermeasures in place (randomized ball/wheel speed, closing bets earlier, wheel bias detection, dealer/ball changes, etc) to prevent it. I don't know the feasibility on Evolution's wheels, but my main point was that on the surface, it's not unreasonable for a casino to conduct a security check after two highly improbable roulette runs in short succession by a player. Again, no endorsement of the casino in question, which I would personally never play at.

I'm not referring to some shady casino in China Town. Landbased casinos across Europe use these same roulette wheels that are manufactured by one of the biggest names in the industry, such as TCS Jhon Huxley, Cammegh, Novomatic... etc All informations I stated before are true, it's not some conspiracy theory or my own conclusions, I tried to sue Evolution Gaming before here in Spain about their Lightning Roulette because after playing it too much I've seen countless unatural movements. Unfortunately, everything about it is legal, including the number predetermination and the magnets use.

We, as players trust gambling commissions to provide a safe and fair environment for us to play, but they failed at that. Btw, the same regulations are adopted by the UKGC and MGA and most european gambling commissions.

But, when it comes to manual roulettes such as Immersive Roulette by EG, the use of magnets is strictly prohibited, and the authorities must step in to stop this. They can't shut down their studios but they can ban them from providing their scammy services in their respective countries. (I advice you to watch some videos on Youtube recorded by many players, in which the magnets use is clearly visible).