zeroRTP
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Hi Casino Grounds,
I write this a warning, not as a sore loser!
I did allow the casino in question time to answer my question, as of today, four days later they have yet to respond so I feel it is my duty as a seasoned casino player, seasoned gambler and online casino industry employee to point out the experience that I had at 888.com.
Having had a good scout around for a welcome offer to utilise, fancying a session of small stakes slotting, after discarding around 35 casinos that made me feel uncomfortable for various reasons I stumbled across 888.com. I saw that they were offering 100% match up to €140 (I am British but live in Malta, hence the €) I scanned the Ts&Cs for the wagering requirement and max stake while wagering, 30x was stated and that is more than fair with me. I could not find the max stake per spin amount anywhere!? As I was only going to be doing small stakes I was not overly concerned with the max bet amount.
I SHOULD HAVE READ THEM WORD FOR WORD!!!!!!
The session got off to a great start and was hovering between €500-€700 bracket and after 2 hours I had managed to complete the majority of the €8400 wagering, admittedly the bet size had ramped up to my average stake of €3-€5 when I found myself on Immortal Romance to finish out the wager that currently stood at around €1200. Donk, Donk, Donk, in came the scatters, as Amber was the only option available, Amber it was! The first 9 spins were non-descript like 99.9% of IR bonuses are! I was not expecting much difference from 10th and final spin when Reel 1: Sarah, Reel 2: Sarah and wild, Reel 3: Sarah and wild, Reel: 4 wild, Reel 5 Sarah! Boom, the alarm bells start to ring, congratulations!!!!! I must point out that by now I am down to a little over €100 in the balance and betting at €4.20 per spin......Within one second of the win landing, 888.com decided that they would ruin the win in all its glory.
Instantly they smashed a big banner across the screen just like a bad loser that, now its time to pay up, they panic and do not want to be held accountable. The banner was informing me that they were going in dry, no lube, no spit, just bend over and touch your toes! you should have read our massively weighted, in their favour, bonus terms and conditions. My initial thought was that I had exceeded the max stake, but having checked and sticking below €5 I was confident that was not the issue so, instead of enjoying the 765x win I instead had to read the fuck you panic banner that was plastered over the screen while listening to the bells of the joyous win count up that you would normally be dancing to only this time they sounded more like a corporation rape alarm letting you know that 888.com was just about to run a train on you!
What I had done was won too much money on a single spin, I had no idea that I was playing a FOBT!? The message congratulated me that I had won €504.20, a max win of €500 and my stake rolled back into my balance, well shit the bed! Max cash out, kind of understanding with a welcome offer, capped winnings on non-deposit free spins, kind of get that, capped win on a deposit bonus with 30x wagering attached to the whole amount!??? They are even capping my half of the money, that is fucking criminal. Like I stated at the start of my post, I avoided numerous unknown casinos before landing at the corrupt doors of 888.com that would not have had such a weighted condition attached to the welcome offer. I wrongly assumed that 888.com being a household name in the online gambling community would be a level above the rest and have no reason to stiff the player any more than the built in house edge that they always have, how wrong was I and how stupid I felt for not reading the Ts&Cs word for word, a mistake that I am guilty of in this instance and of previously but a mistake that I will never make again.
When you think about the max win per spin cap, the amount of wagering required to clear versus the amount of funds that you have to start with in your balance, €240 at 30x and 50% of that is your hard cash. Even the dumbest of gamblers will not need a protractor and a ruler to work out that you are fucked from the off! You would have to go on a run of your life to even come close! I had a really good run and even with the €500 that they let me keep after my wager was completed, I could withdraw what I deposited! As you can imagine, the tilt factor had slightly kicked in by now and they ended up with the lot!
I will wipe my mouth and take this as a costly lesson learnt but I wanted to allow the CUNTS to answer my question before I posted the warning, and the question I asked was why? Why have the max win per spin cap? Surviving the wager without that in place is a feat enough in its self so why add the impossible to the already improbable? It was not a rude email, I just asked the question and they have yet to respond.
Anyway I guess the point to this post is three-fold, firstly, always read the Tc&Cs of everything, this is a dog industry and regardless of the brand they all generally want to fuck us one way or another, not all but most! Secondly, avoid 888.com, they really are scum-sucking piss ants that do not need to make things harder for the player but chose to do so anyway and in my book, there is no lower form of a company. Third and finally it has made me feel a little better! I am by no means a keyboard warrior or a sore loser but if my loss/win of €3,500.00 saves just one of you from doing the same then great, I can live with that. Plus they will be getting a link to this thread so let's let them know that we as a forum of gamblers will be avoiding them and their offers in the future and playing at casinos where we stand an accepted chance of winning when we actually do!
For shits and giggles, you can watch the win/loss on my twitter @zeroRTP
I write this a warning, not as a sore loser!
I did allow the casino in question time to answer my question, as of today, four days later they have yet to respond so I feel it is my duty as a seasoned casino player, seasoned gambler and online casino industry employee to point out the experience that I had at 888.com.
Having had a good scout around for a welcome offer to utilise, fancying a session of small stakes slotting, after discarding around 35 casinos that made me feel uncomfortable for various reasons I stumbled across 888.com. I saw that they were offering 100% match up to €140 (I am British but live in Malta, hence the €) I scanned the Ts&Cs for the wagering requirement and max stake while wagering, 30x was stated and that is more than fair with me. I could not find the max stake per spin amount anywhere!? As I was only going to be doing small stakes I was not overly concerned with the max bet amount.
I SHOULD HAVE READ THEM WORD FOR WORD!!!!!!
The session got off to a great start and was hovering between €500-€700 bracket and after 2 hours I had managed to complete the majority of the €8400 wagering, admittedly the bet size had ramped up to my average stake of €3-€5 when I found myself on Immortal Romance to finish out the wager that currently stood at around €1200. Donk, Donk, Donk, in came the scatters, as Amber was the only option available, Amber it was! The first 9 spins were non-descript like 99.9% of IR bonuses are! I was not expecting much difference from 10th and final spin when Reel 1: Sarah, Reel 2: Sarah and wild, Reel 3: Sarah and wild, Reel: 4 wild, Reel 5 Sarah! Boom, the alarm bells start to ring, congratulations!!!!! I must point out that by now I am down to a little over €100 in the balance and betting at €4.20 per spin......Within one second of the win landing, 888.com decided that they would ruin the win in all its glory.
Instantly they smashed a big banner across the screen just like a bad loser that, now its time to pay up, they panic and do not want to be held accountable. The banner was informing me that they were going in dry, no lube, no spit, just bend over and touch your toes! you should have read our massively weighted, in their favour, bonus terms and conditions. My initial thought was that I had exceeded the max stake, but having checked and sticking below €5 I was confident that was not the issue so, instead of enjoying the 765x win I instead had to read the fuck you panic banner that was plastered over the screen while listening to the bells of the joyous win count up that you would normally be dancing to only this time they sounded more like a corporation rape alarm letting you know that 888.com was just about to run a train on you!
What I had done was won too much money on a single spin, I had no idea that I was playing a FOBT!? The message congratulated me that I had won €504.20, a max win of €500 and my stake rolled back into my balance, well shit the bed! Max cash out, kind of understanding with a welcome offer, capped winnings on non-deposit free spins, kind of get that, capped win on a deposit bonus with 30x wagering attached to the whole amount!??? They are even capping my half of the money, that is fucking criminal. Like I stated at the start of my post, I avoided numerous unknown casinos before landing at the corrupt doors of 888.com that would not have had such a weighted condition attached to the welcome offer. I wrongly assumed that 888.com being a household name in the online gambling community would be a level above the rest and have no reason to stiff the player any more than the built in house edge that they always have, how wrong was I and how stupid I felt for not reading the Ts&Cs word for word, a mistake that I am guilty of in this instance and of previously but a mistake that I will never make again.
When you think about the max win per spin cap, the amount of wagering required to clear versus the amount of funds that you have to start with in your balance, €240 at 30x and 50% of that is your hard cash. Even the dumbest of gamblers will not need a protractor and a ruler to work out that you are fucked from the off! You would have to go on a run of your life to even come close! I had a really good run and even with the €500 that they let me keep after my wager was completed, I could withdraw what I deposited! As you can imagine, the tilt factor had slightly kicked in by now and they ended up with the lot!
I will wipe my mouth and take this as a costly lesson learnt but I wanted to allow the CUNTS to answer my question before I posted the warning, and the question I asked was why? Why have the max win per spin cap? Surviving the wager without that in place is a feat enough in its self so why add the impossible to the already improbable? It was not a rude email, I just asked the question and they have yet to respond.
Anyway I guess the point to this post is three-fold, firstly, always read the Tc&Cs of everything, this is a dog industry and regardless of the brand they all generally want to fuck us one way or another, not all but most! Secondly, avoid 888.com, they really are scum-sucking piss ants that do not need to make things harder for the player but chose to do so anyway and in my book, there is no lower form of a company. Third and finally it has made me feel a little better! I am by no means a keyboard warrior or a sore loser but if my loss/win of €3,500.00 saves just one of you from doing the same then great, I can live with that. Plus they will be getting a link to this thread so let's let them know that we as a forum of gamblers will be avoiding them and their offers in the future and playing at casinos where we stand an accepted chance of winning when we actually do!
For shits and giggles, you can watch the win/loss on my twitter @zeroRTP
