Streamers Like Ayezee Are Going To Ruin it For Everyone

TommyBhoy said:
I genuinely believe the negativity caused by these guys will eventually make Youtube and Twitch ban any forms of gambling streams which will kill off the hard working genuine streamers.

Take Ayezee for example, this guy is betting millions and millions using sponsored money(He exclusively gambles at a crypto casino, he would need 100,000 depositors a week to play on their commission amounts).

The streaming world is now so out of touch with reality and its going to come crashing down.
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Yup, it has now finally caught the attention of even Danish media. This article is in Danish, but adresses the problem of sponsored gambling, especially by gamers-gone-gamblers, because these guys often have a lot of <18 followers:  https://www.dr.dk/nyheder/kultur/gaming/gamer-blev-tilbudt-200000-i-timen-gamble-nu-raser-debatten-paa-twitch

 
Jaja it's time guys.. I just watched Jackebro @daskelelele and he is doing $500 a spin and has a 100k balance lmao! Since he left casinogrounds and joined Gamdom he starts looking like roshtein and the rest of the gang lol 😂 rip credibility 

 
Daskelele won over $220.000 again yesterday with a bonus buy... He keeps winning that 100k+ lately.. How is this even possible? He said he is up $600k last few months, since he's playing at Gamdom 🤔

 
you guys have to keep in mind that these casinos PAY A SHIT TON OF MONEY for sponsorships.

Mizkif a 20k viewer streamer said he was sponsored for 1 hour streams and was making $35,000 AN HOUR. And he said he thinks he was low balled too. 

There are streamers out there that are easily making 100k+ a month minimum just from sponsorship money, some of the top guys easily clear 1 million a month off these crypto casinos in sponsorship money and that doesn't even include the affiliate money they get. Do I think it's ok? no... but nobody here seems to understand just how much money sponsored streamers get from these casinos. That's why 90% of the time its real money you are seeing being spent... These streamers are making a lot of money and can afford to up their bets (also when guys like train and xqc showed up they muddied the waters by doing 500-1000 bets per spin, now everyone feels like they have to do the same just to get those views).

 
The Macho Man said:
you guys have to keep in mind that these casinos PAY A SHIT TON OF MONEY for sponsorships.

Mizkif a 20k viewer streamer said he was sponsored for 1 hour streams and was making $35,000 AN HOUR. And he said he thinks he was low balled too. 

There are streamers out there that are easily making 100k+ a month minimum just from sponsorship money, some of the top guys easily clear 1 million a month off these crypto casinos in sponsorship money and that doesn't even include the affiliate money they get. Do I think it's ok? no... but nobody here seems to understand just how much money sponsored streamers get from these casinos. That's why 90% of the time its real money you are seeing being spent... These streamers are making a lot of money and can afford to up their bets (also when guys like train and xqc showed up they muddied the waters by doing 500-1000 bets per spin, now everyone feels like they have to do the same just to get those views).
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You have a point there but at least they should be honest about it instead of claiming its real and raw money. Also I don't understand how these streamers can hit such big wins over and over again... I mean  they do €100 bets and win over €100.000 almost every stream like it's nothing no emotions etc. It just feels shady. And me doing €2 spins all day long I should win €2000 at least once a while, but this for some reason just doesnt happen. It's only rip most of the time while they kickin it like peanuts with the max bets just smells fishy

 
OllyKOwin said:
Gamdom is banned in the UK or sorry it’s Not Available in this country.  PokerStars is banned in the USA which is where its based
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I saw you multiple times commenting negative about Pokerstars and it feels like you have an hate/obsession with Pokerstars 🤣 but in reality it is one of the best and trustful site out there. Beside the bad rtp You always get payed... I can just advice you to not play slots in general, I quite playing slots for over a year now and I'm quiet happy with that. Nowadays I only play poker and live casino at Pokerstars and I must say with poker I make profit money but rip it in live casino 😂

 
when sites are literally offering you $35,000 every hour you stream for them you are going to take it i don't care who you are, even if it's immoral you are taking it and if you say you wouldn't stop lying to yourself lmao.

i do however think the casino section should be age gated on twitch (similar to youtube how you have to add a credit card or an id or something). but the fact of the matter is crypto is becoming more and more mainstream so i do think crypto casinos will become the new norm. people are getting paid out by these big reputable crypto casinos (i wont mention names dont want to be called out for advertising them) far quicker and far larger sums without all the stalling tactics used by the "normal" casinos.

 
xLewis said:
when sites are literally offering you $35,000 every hour you stream for them you are going to take it i don't care who you are, even if it's immoral you are taking it and if you say you wouldn't stop lying to yourself lmao.

i do however think the casino section should be age gated on twitch (similar to youtube how you have to add a credit card or an id or something). but the fact of the matter is crypto is becoming more and more mainstream so i do think crypto casinos will become the new norm. people are getting paid out by these big reputable crypto casinos (i wont mention names dont want to be called out for advertising them) far quicker and far larger sums without all the stalling tactics used by the "normal" casinos.
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I heard the bandit mentioning in his latest video, streamers can be authenticated my an independent authority and they get a badge or summit like that, think YouTube and twitch should be authenticating all their casino streamers, can't be that hard in this day in age 

 
xLewis said:
when sites are literally offering you $35,000 every hour you stream for them you are going to take it i don't care who you are, even if it's immoral you are taking it and if you say you wouldn't stop lying to yourself lmao.

i do however think the casino section should be age gated on twitch (similar to youtube how you have to add a credit card or an id or something). but the fact of the matter is crypto is becoming more and more mainstream so i do think crypto casinos will become the new norm. people are getting paid out by these big reputable crypto casinos (i wont mention names dont want to be called out for advertising them) far quicker and far larger sums without all the stalling tactics used by the "normal" casinos.
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This is a HUGE factor in why i play crypto casinos. its annoymous and instant deposits and withdrawals. No dicking around with verifications and some people here basically having to send in bank statements and prove they can afford to gamble etc its ridiculous. I understand why they have to do it in some countries but most casinos abuse that system in their favor to stall people from getting paid out. I'm honestly surprised crypto casinos aren't over taking the main online casinos right now. 

 
LetsTalkFacts said:
Jaja it's time guys.. I just watched Jackebro @daskelelele and he is doing $500 a spin and has a 100k balance lmao! Since he left casinogrounds and joined Gamdom he starts looking like roshtein and the rest of the gang lol 😂 rip credibility 
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He won 100k, thats why he had a 100k balance, you said it like he deposited 100k raw and started playing... of course he will do some $400 spins on BONANZA (massive basegame rtp, also I think he was wagering but its irrelevant) when he is up literally hundreds of thousands in the last months and I see absolutely nothing wrong with it, he has played like that since he started streaming and I don't see him stopping... A lot of people aren't actually aware that not too long ago he started promoting a casino that refused to pay out his winnings and that beforehand offered him the so called fake money that he obviously refused... he later admitted his mistake for even working with a casino like that. I guess that people are jealous because he won a lot on a crypto casino, even though he was playing basically the same stakes on both leovegas and gamdom

 
The Macho Man said:
you guys have to keep in mind that these casinos PAY A SHIT TON OF MONEY for sponsorships.

Mizkif a 20k viewer streamer said he was sponsored for 1 hour streams and was making $35,000 AN HOUR. And he said he thinks he was low balled too. 

There are streamers out there that are easily making 100k+ a month minimum just from sponsorship money, some of the top guys easily clear 1 million a month off these crypto casinos in sponsorship money and that doesn't even include the affiliate money they get. Do I think it's ok? no... but nobody here seems to understand just how much money sponsored streamers get from these casinos. That's why 90% of the time its real money you are seeing being spent... These streamers are making a lot of money and can afford to up their bets (also when guys like train and xqc showed up they muddied the waters by doing 500-1000 bets per spin, now everyone feels like they have to do the same just to get those views).
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Thank you for being a bit of a voice of reason on this topic Macho Man. I'll be honest it bothers me a bit when people are so confidently claiming that the money is fake, but its also obvious that they have never thought about the economics of these types of sponsorships, and their only comments on the matter is being condescending to people who have (e.g "Ahh here comes the fanboys open your eye sheep"). 

Slots/Gambling is relatively new to twitch generally. But in the last year it has also close to tripled in size. Streamers being able to pull 10-30k viewers while streaming gambling for 8+ hours is pretty new, and that comes with a lot of sponsorship money.You mention the Mizkif deal, Adin Ross also accidentally leaked details of him discussing a deal and they were talking about $1.6m to $2m a month (with losses covered and referral bonus). 

So people who think it has to be fake because there is no way they can afford to do $500 spins just don't understand the economics behind streaming and gambling sponsorships.

LetsTalkFacts said:
You have a point there but at least they should be honest about it instead of claiming its real and raw money. Also I don't understand how these streamers can hit such big wins over and over again... I mean  they do €100 bets and win over €100.000 almost every stream like it's nothing no emotions etc. It just feels shady. And me doing €2 spins all day long I should win €2000 at least once a while, but this for some reason just doesnt happen. It's only rip most of the time while they kickin it like peanuts with the max bets just smells fishy
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The point here is that it is raw, or at least there is no reason why it can't be. To be clear what I mean by raw here is that the streamer gets 100% of wins or has to swallow 100% of losses. That does not mean they are not making money outside of gambling from being sponsored. Obviously they have other revenue streames outside of this and obviously these revenue streames are huge because gambling and advertising it is big business.

You always see people talking about how shady crypto casinos are but again I think people need a bit of a reality check here. Just for the sake of simplicity the crypto casinos I have mostly played on is Rollbit and stake. I have tried like a dozen different real money casinos and the experience has almost universally been dog shit.

They mention KYC as if the crypto casinos "allow children" to gamble more than real money does. But the reality of it is that most Real Money casinos don't require KYC for deposits, you can deposit and lose as much as you want without anyone raising an eyebrow. But if you try to withdraw even just a tiny fraction of how much you have deposited and lost to the casino, they will put a bunch of KYC hoops in your way and make it a very laborious process to get your money out, and the money will have to be in your account Pending while they use 5 business days to approve your withdrawal (obviously in hopes that you will gamble it back.)  Not to mention all the insane withdrawal limits they put in place like a maximum of $1k per day/5k per week etc.

On crypto casinos you can withdraw $10k or $1 million pretty much instantly, no questions asked.

When it comes to self exclusion, while I do wish crypto casinos had more options (like a deposit limit), they do have a rigid self exclusion that is generally easy to activate, I have had much more shady experiences with real money casinos, once when I tried to activate a self exclusion, I had to email a specific address, and that adress told me I had to answer a set of questions to get excluded (e.g why I want to be excluded etc) and that email included some message like if I was sure I wanted to be excluded and they offered me a re-deposit bonus instead. Completely insane. 

Then there is all the shady bonuses that Real money casinos live and die by. My first experience ever with online gambling was at a real money casino where I deposited $100, won that deposit up to $3.5k, but then when I cleared the 40x wager of my deposit bonus the casino deleted $2k from my balance because there was a $1k max win from the deposit bonus.  This might be obvious to seasoned gamblers but I imagine a ton of new players get tricked by shady stuff like this (And similarly with wagers). Most players starting out are not going to go through 10 pages of fine print hidden away somewhere to fully understand the bonuses they get.

The big crypto casinos on the other hand (at least the ones I've used, Stake and rollbit) don't have these shady bonuses, if you get a bonus there its generally raw cash or close to it, sometimes with a bit of a wager for new accounts or specific bonuses, but none of this max win etc.

The RTP is another thing, where Crypto casinos generally have the highest RTP of the providers (e.g 96.5% RTP for pragmatic), but i've seen a lot of real money casinos with pragmatic slots with an RTP of 93-94% which is a massive difference. 

The bonuses and player rewards are also the same, Stake and Rollbit give back a decent chunk of the house edge to the player, while the rewards you get on other casinos are very small in comparison (stuff like freespins worth almost nothing.). Also a big difference with 

So yeah I don't give a shit which licenses a casino uses.  If you are playing on one of the good crypto casinos you are getting a product focused on giving the best benefits and best experience to the end user and it seems to be miles ahead of any real money casino. I can't understand how any return gambler would want to play anywhere else. Any real money casino I've tried (and I've tried a few advertised on this site), seem to just prey on ignorant people who don't know about the alternatives don't understand things like checking RTP, and have all sorts of shady practices.

All this being said I have obviously not tried every real money casino in the world so if anyone has a recommendation of one that does not have a shit process for cashing out, does not have scammy bonuses, does not have shit RTP and has a good reward system, I'd probably be up for trying it out. 

 
Derpthederp said:
Thank you for being a bit of a voice of reason on this topic Macho Man. I'll be honest it bothers me a bit when people are so confidently claiming that the money is fake, but its also obvious that they have never thought about the economics of these types of sponsorships, and their only comments on the matter is being condescending to people who have (e.g "Ahh here comes the fanboys open your eye sheep"). 

Slots/Gambling is relatively new to twitch generally. But in the last year it has also close to tripled in size. Streamers being able to pull 10-30k viewers while streaming gambling for 8+ hours is pretty new, and that comes with a lot of sponsorship money.You mention the Mizkif deal, Adin Ross also accidentally leaked details of him discussing a deal and they were talking about $1.6m to $2m a month (with losses covered and referral bonus). 

So people who think it has to be fake because there is no way they can afford to do $500 spins just don't understand the economics behind streaming and gambling sponsorships.

The point here is that it is raw, or at least there is no reason why it can't be. To be clear what I mean by raw here is that the streamer gets 100% of wins or has to swallow 100% of losses. That does not mean they are not making money outside of gambling from being sponsored. Obviously they have other revenue streames outside of this and obviously these revenue streames are huge because gambling and advertising it is big business.

You always see people talking about how shady crypto casinos are but again I think people need a bit of a reality check here. Just for the sake of simplicity the crypto casinos I have mostly played on is Rollbit and stake. I have tried like a dozen different real money casinos and the experience has almost universally been dog shit.

They mention KYC as if the crypto casinos "allow children" to gamble more than real money does. But the reality of it is that most Real Money casinos don't require KYC for deposits, you can deposit and lose as much as you want without anyone raising an eyebrow. But if you try to withdraw even just a tiny fraction of how much you have deposited and lost to the casino, they will put a bunch of KYC hoops in your way and make it a very laborious process to get your money out, and the money will have to be in your account Pending while they use 5 business days to approve your withdrawal (obviously in hopes that you will gamble it back.)  Not to mention all the insane withdrawal limits they put in place like a maximum of $1k per day/5k per week etc.

On crypto casinos you can withdraw $10k or $1 million pretty much instantly, no questions asked.

When it comes to self exclusion, while I do wish crypto casinos had more options (like a deposit limit), they do have a rigid self exclusion that is generally easy to activate, I have had much more shady experiences with real money casinos, once when I tried to activate a self exclusion, I had to email a specific address, and that adress told me I had to answer a set of questions to get excluded (e.g why I want to be excluded etc) and that email included some message like if I was sure I wanted to be excluded and they offered me a re-deposit bonus instead. Completely insane. 

Then there is all the shady bonuses that Real money casinos live and die by. My first experience ever with online gambling was at a real money casino where I deposited $100, won that deposit up to $3.5k, but then when I cleared the 40x wager of my deposit bonus the casino deleted $2k from my balance because there was a $1k max win from the deposit bonus.  This might be obvious to seasoned gamblers but I imagine a ton of new players get tricked by shady stuff like this (And similarly with wagers). Most players starting out are not going to go through 10 pages of fine print hidden away somewhere to fully understand the bonuses they get.

The big crypto casinos on the other hand (at least the ones I've used, Stake and rollbit) don't have these shady bonuses, if you get a bonus there its generally raw cash or close to it, sometimes with a bit of a wager for new accounts or specific bonuses, but none of this max win etc.

The RTP is another thing, where Crypto casinos generally have the highest RTP of the providers (e.g 96.5% RTP for pragmatic), but i've seen a lot of real money casinos with pragmatic slots with an RTP of 93-94% which is a massive difference. 

The bonuses and player rewards are also the same, Stake and Rollbit give back a decent chunk of the house edge to the player, while the rewards you get on other casinos are very small in comparison (stuff like freespins worth almost nothing.). Also a big difference with 

So yeah I don't give a shit which licenses a casino uses.  If you are playing on one of the good crypto casinos you are getting a product focused on giving the best benefits and best experience to the end user and it seems to be miles ahead of any real money casino. I can't understand how any return gambler would want to play anywhere else. Any real money casino I've tried (and I've tried a few advertised on this site), seem to just prey on ignorant people who don't know about the alternatives don't understand things like checking RTP, and have all sorts of shady practices.

All this being said I have obviously not tried every real money casino in the world so if anyone has a recommendation of one that does not have a shit process for cashing out, does not have scammy bonuses, does not have shit RTP and has a good reward system, I'd probably be up for trying it out. 
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You make some good points but a few are completely inaccurate.

Your self exclusion comment is wrong. There are people who have been able to reactivate their accounts even after telling some of these crypto casinos they were problem gamblers. 
 

You miss a huge point. These casinos are allowing illegal bypassing of restrictions via VPN.  Go onto their live chat and they will openly say VPN is allowed.  They are BREAKING THE LAW!

The majority of money is sponsored, meaning its not the streamers money.  Yet they wont say this publicly.  

 
The Macho Man said:
you guys have to keep in mind that these casinos PAY A SHIT TON OF MONEY for sponsorships.

Mizkif a 20k viewer streamer said he was sponsored for 1 hour streams and was making $35,000 AN HOUR. And he said he thinks he was low balled too. 

There are streamers out there that are easily making 100k+ a month minimum just from sponsorship money, some of the top guys easily clear 1 million a month off these crypto casinos in sponsorship money and that doesn't even include the affiliate money they get. Do I think it's ok? no... but nobody here seems to understand just how much money sponsored streamers get from these casinos. That's why 90% of the time its real money you are seeing being spent... These streamers are making a lot of money and can afford to up their bets (also when guys like train and xqc showed up they muddied the waters by doing 500-1000 bets per spin, now everyone feels like they have to do the same just to get those views).
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Where the hell do you get this info from? 1 million in sponsors a month?

You act like these casinos are huge multinationals that can easily hand people 1 million or even 100k just to sponsor them. I dont believe this.

There are streamers with huge communities and websites/forums that are running well. They have also been around for much longer. This one for example and casinodaddy. These streamers should be making the same amount of money but they are still doing max 10,- spins on normal daily streams.

I dont believe that these 500,- a spin streamers with sometimes only a big twitch community (which could even be with fake followers) get this kind of sponsorship and can legit do these spins on regular basis.

 
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ressivv said:
Where the hell do you get this info from? 1 million in sponsors a month?

You act like these casinos are huge multinationals that can easily hand people 1 million or even 100k just to sponsor them. I dont believe this.

There are streamers with huge communities and websites/forums that are running well. They have also been around for much longer. This one for example and casinodaddy. These streamers should be making the same amount of money but they are still doing max 10,- spins on normal daily streams.

I dont believe that these 500,- a spin streamers with sometimes only a big twitch community (which could even be with fake followers) get this kind of sponsorship and can legit do these spins on regular basis.
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https://www.dexerto.com/entertainment/adin-ross-leaks-massive-sponsorship-figures-for-gambling-twitch-streams-1592361/

there's just one example and the guy isn't even as massive as these other streamers you're talking about. more than likely guys like train and xqc get multiple millions per month. 

 
Not sure if you are serious or trolling, but do you really think that a casino will pay multiple millions a month to a streamer? Lmao 😂 let's say a that sketchy streamer has 3k (real) viewers most of them only watch for fun but let's say they all deposit 1000 a month (very unlikely) to the casino thats 3 million a month for the casino, why the hell would they share the half of it with the streamer?? All they do is bait new (underaged?) players.. It's like a pizza delivery boy (streamer) and a pizza company (casino), the streamer only brings players and they get a small tip for it while the casino getting the big money. Casinos are not stupid its all about the money they are SHARKS

 
LetsTalkFacts said:
Not sure if you are serious or trolling, but do you really think that a casino will pay multiple millions a month to a streamer? Lmao 😂 let's say a that sketchy streamer has 3k (real) viewers most of them only watch for fun but let's say they all deposit 1000 a month (very unlikely) to the casino thats 3 million a month for the casino, why the hell would they share the half of it with the streamer?? All they do is bait new (underaged?) players.. It's like a pizza delivery boy (streamer) and a pizza company (casino), the streamer only brings players and they get a small tip for it while the casino getting the big money. Casinos are not stupid its all about the money they are SHARKS
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They do pay millions to streamers, you know why? its the best marketing possible. they show live gameplay of the casino, they interact with their community and not everyone is a broke kid. all they need is a couple whales to make their money back. but they will still make their money back on people thet get addicted to gambling anyway. 

You guys have no idea how the business works. Gambling advertising is already super strict as is and casinos look for any loopholes to try and get advertisements out there and this is the best way to do it. Stake was a no name crypto casino a year ago. now everyone knows about it...

Also you really think some streamer is going to 'sell out' and risk being called a scumbag for peddling gambling to their community for a couple thousand dollars in sponsorship money at their level? You guys have no idea how much money is involved in sponsorships and affiliate earnings (you think guys like roshtein would refuse to take subs and donations if they weren't making an insane amount of money from casino sponsorships already? Rosh could easily have 10-20k subs and probably make thousands a day off donations alone yet he doesn't even care to do so.)

Every time these discussions are brought up the main issue I notice is people's lack of understand of just how much money these casinos have and are willing to spend on advertising, branding, and other ways to generate interest in their casinos. ITS BIG MONEY. these websites can't just go advertise on google/facebook/instagram with traditional marketing because it's all banned. So their marketing budget is literally spent on influencers and it works.

 
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