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Hi guys,

I've noticed quite a few casinos are unable to send payments to Norway now, and as such, I'll not be using them until I know I'll be able to cash out potential winnings. 

I've also talked to Lotteritilsynet (Norwegian gambling com), and they're saying there are tons of steps being taken right now, following up the parliament vote in 2017, which means it will be even harder for Norwegians to play on online casinos. 

Due to this, I'm interested in getting in touch with Norwegian players who wants to decide for themselves if they want to spend their own money on casinos. 
I'm gonna have a meeting with a Norwegian CEO of a gaming company in the end of May, and I will then move towards a meeting with several politicians who fronted the bill back in 2017, as well as some others, to voice the concerns and opinions of the players. The consumers haven't been heard in this case, so I think it's very important to get our views across before the politicians start making decisions that concern what we do with our own money. 

I would very much like to talk to as many of you as possible!

You can reach me on [email protected] , then hopefully we can all have a talk through discord or something, so we can find the best points to present to the politicians. 

You can also add me directly on discord: Asle#1501

Regards,
Asle (YouTube) / Casumatic (Twitch)

 
Nothing new under the sun here. Lotteritilsynet in Norway and the international iGaming industry has been playing the game of cats and mice for a good 10 years now. Usually the boring way, by having banks block transactions (deposits) that are connected to iGaming.

At first, this was done by adding a "gambling"-code to the transactions. The iGaming companies quickly adapted with offering more transactions via third parties preventing the banks from being sent that code in the first place.

Shit Hits The Fan

This is where the shit really hit the fan for the first time. In 2017, Norway was ranked #3 in highest household debts among OECD-countries with its debt-to-income ratio. 

Why? Partially thanks to the Norwegian Government fu**** its own citizens all over by not regulating high interest rate consumer loans and credit card companies. 

You see, most credit cards automatically reject gambling-transactions by default. So, once the Norwegian Government gave the green light to block transactions from Norwegian citizens using the very same code, the iGaming industry promptly responded by routing their transactions via third parties who are not reporting that code on their transactions. 

Conclusion? It made it a lot easier for Norwegians to gamble with money they didn't really have. You can't blame the iGaming industry or the Norwegian government entirely, but a good portion of the money spent is one of many factors that made the "historically high household debt one of the most crucial vulnerabilities for the Norwegian economy".  You can read more about this in Bloomberg's article "Norway Sets Credit Limits for Booming Consumer Loan Market".

Spring Offensive

Every year around this time, you'll find more gambling-related articles in off- and online publications. It's the so called "Spring Offensive". Mainly a massive PR-campaign where Norsk Tipping and Norsk Rikstoto ramps up their adverts, while also lobbying against international competitors. 

Banning of Gambling Adverts from British-licensed Broadcasts

Trine Skei Grande (Venstre politician) and the Norwegian Government are currently rallying for a ban on gambling TV-adverts circumventing the existing ban by broadcasting them from British-licensed TV-networks. 

This is something I find incredibly stupid because of a number of reasons:

  • Our politicians don't have the vigor to swiftly take action to fulfill their goals or agenda
  • They're using the wrong means to wage war against a close to a billion NOK industry
  • They're fighting lobbyists that are on par with the type you'll find in Washington, DC
  • There will be a natural drop in TV-adverts due to linear TV being replaced by streaming
  • Banning TV-adverts will lead to an explosion in online adverts instead
I could go on ...

A More Aggressive Norwegian Gambling Authority

When it comes to depositing your own money to someone willing to take your customs and allow you to gamble, All Roads Lead To Rome.

But what happens when you can't leave Rome with your own money? Now that's a blow, and this is exactly what's going on now. The Norwegian Gambling Authority have stepped up their efforts and identified then targeted banks that send money from the casinos to the players - and block them.

As an added bonus, they've even started going after the biggest payment providers. For now, they've only targeted the biggest ones. 

This is the beauty of it (from their perspective): once one or more really big winners find out their winnings can't be paid out - they panic. Once they panic, they talk - and the chatter picks up on the Jungle Telegraph. Such stories are occasionally picked up by the media and triumphantly published to show results. 

No one talks about the fat goose wobbling around in the background still, though. The fat goose who finds new payment providers and bank accounts. 

All in all it's just another brick in the wall. 

 
Retrikkeri said:
I am also Norwegian and this is nothing new. I gamble for small ammounts, but when I do, I use Skrill and Neteller. 
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How are you able to use Skrill from Norway towards gambling? I tried this myself, and what happened was that when I made a deposit to skrill it triggered a message asking if I was gonna use the money for gambling purposes. I said yes, and it didn't let me deposit. Then I tried again, said no to the quesion, and then was unable to transfer from skrill to the online gambling companies. 
I know you can deposit with skrill, then transfer the money from skrill to neteller, but it's not a very cheap way of going at it. Is this how you do it?

 

CGDL said:
Nothing new under the sun here. Lotteritilsynet in Norway and the international iGaming industry has been playing the game of cats and mice for a good 10 years now. Usually the boring way, by having banks block transactions (deposits) that are connected to iGaming.

At first, this was done by adding a "gambling"-code to the transactions. The iGaming companies quickly adapted with offering more transactions via third parties preventing the banks from being sent that code in the first place.

Shit Hits The Fan

This is where the shit really hit the fan for the first time. In 2017, Norway was ranked #3 in highest household debts among OECD-countries with its debt-to-income ratio. 

Why? Partially thanks to the Norwegian Government fu**** its own citizens all over by not regulating high interest rate consumer loans and credit card companies. 

You see, most credit cards automatically reject gambling-transactions by default. So, once the Norwegian Government gave the green light to block transactions from Norwegian citizens using the very same code, the iGaming industry promptly responded by routing their transactions via third parties who are not reporting that code on their transactions. 

Conclusion? It made it a lot easier for Norwegians to gamble with money they didn't really have. You can't blame the iGaming industry or the Norwegian government entirely, but a good portion of the money spent is one of many factors that made the "historically high household debt one of the most crucial vulnerabilities for the Norwegian economy".  You can read more about this in Bloomberg's article "Norway Sets Credit Limits for Booming Consumer Loan Market".

Spring Offensive

Every year around this time, you'll find more gambling-related articles in off- and online publications. It's the so called "Spring Offensive". Mainly a massive PR-campaign where Norsk Tipping and Norsk Rikstoto ramps up their adverts, while also lobbying against international competitors. 

Banning of Gambling Adverts from British-licensed Broadcasts

Trine Skei Grande (Venstre politician) and the Norwegian Government are currently rallying for a ban on gambling TV-adverts circumventing the existing ban by broadcasting them from British-licensed TV-networks. 

This is something I find incredibly stupid because of a number of reasons:

  • Our politicians don't have the vigor to swiftly take action to fulfill their goals or agenda
  • They're using the wrong means to wage war against a close to a billion NOK industry
  • They're fighting lobbyists that are on par with the type you'll find in Washington, DC
  • There will be a natural drop in TV-adverts due to linear TV being replaced by streaming
  • Banning TV-adverts will lead to an explosion in online adverts instead
I could go on ...

A More Aggressive Norwegian Gambling Authority

When it comes to depositing your own money to someone willing to take your customs and allow you to gamble, All Roads Lead To Rome.

But what happens when you can't leave Rome with your own money? Now that's a blow, and this is exactly what's going on now. The Norwegian Gambling Authority have stepped up their efforts and identified then targeted banks that send money from the casinos to the players - and block them.

As an added bonus, they've even started going after the biggest payment providers. For now, they've only targeted the biggest ones. 

This is the beauty of it (from their perspective): once one or more really big winners find out their winnings can't be paid out - they panic. Once they panic, they talk - and the chatter picks up on the Jungle Telegraph. Such stories are occasionally picked up by the media and triumphantly published to show results. 

No one talks about the fat goose wobbling around in the background still, though. The fat goose who finds new payment providers and bank accounts. 

All in all it's just another brick in the wall. 
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Yeah, I'm aware of this. I've also heard they're currently working on IP / VPN blocks, which then will effectively shut it down as far as I understand. But then again, there are probably ways around that too. 
I just disagree so much with what they're doing here. I can't even see how it's legal to be honest. 

Also, ultimately it's up to each person what they do with their money. If people are dumb enough to take up loans to gamble, it's their own damn fault. I don't blame Lotteritilsynet or the government when I lose my own money on gambling, and neither should anyone else. 

It just feels like their arguments are very thin. The way they're moving towards more and more power and control over what the citizens can use their money on, the worse it's gonna be for the people. They have made so many new taxes, raised old taxes, and are now moving towards blocking you from spending money on something. 
Many years ago they said "buy diesel, it's better for the environment, so you'll pay less taxes and fees", only to turn around and up the taxes and fees on diesel as soon as most people had diesel cars. 
Then they said "buy electric cars, and you'll get to drive in the public transport lane, you don't have to pay toll fees, and you can park for free", and we all know what's happening there after "everyone" bought electric cars. 
The politicians said they were wanting to get rid of the Broadcasting license, only to add it to your taxes, so you can't get away from paying it. As if that's the same. 

Every year they get more and more control of the people. This is a very big concern to me, as I know what all these socialist steps will lead to once our oil money is gone.
The so-called social democracy we have in Norway, is getting closer and closer to socialism every single year. The Right have proven to the people that they're not about right-sided politics. They're clearly working for the socialist, globalist goals, through EEA, ACER, UN migration pact and so on. All policies which should require a 3/4 popular vote, but the politicians didn't care and just signed the deals anyway. 

I would really like to talk to people about this, so it would be nice if you'd add me on discord or email me, like I said earlier. 

Regards,
Asle / Casumatic

 
Skrill and Neteller is almost the same now these days, you can transfer money between them, if I have money on Skrill I transfer them to Neteller and use it for gambling from there, then you have avoided that gambling question. You need to pay to Skrill by banktransfer to avoid the question if money is used for gambling.

 
Retrikkeri said:
Skrill and Neteller is almost the same now these days, you can transfer money between them, if I have money on Skrill I transfer them to Neteller and use it for gambling from there, then you have avoided that gambling question. You need to pay to Skrill by banktransfer to avoid the question if money is used for gambling.
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Is it possible to directly deposit to skrill by bank transfer, then from skrill to gambling sites, without using neteller?

 
I don't know what is it with northern European countries and their problem with gambling. The Dutch regulator has been just as relentless in policing igaming.

 
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