Monopoly lowered the RTP

[Money Train]

@Money Train The point is if they rigg 1 game, they can rigg all games, and there are a lot of proves out there regarding monopoly.

I won't comment on the math part because you can only talk about maths and statistics when something is 100% random and not controlled, in the case of EG I still stand by my opinion that they rigg all their games and the argument of "They don't have to, they already have an edge" is a very naive approach to the subject and I already addressed it in my previous reply.

Crazy time and monopoly wheels were caught many times on video doing things that only a fully controlled game would do, I'd advice you to watch some of the videos on youtube where Patchinko paid out the usual 10x even before the ball dropped, the monopoly dices throwing same results on replay ... etc 

The UKGC cannot go and inspect the studios, legaly it cannot be done, and I can assure you there is no kind of surprise visits, negotiations or collaborations between UK and Latvian authorities on this subject. The only thing that I can imagine happening is if many UK players report these irregularities to the UKGC and make them ban these games for UK players.

Now for the roulette part, here are videos that I took from a small landbase here in Spain, and all auto roulettes operate the same way including Lightning roulette.

1. Bets are placed

2. Computer calculate all bets placed by all players and selects a determined number.

3. The determined number is going to pay ONLY IF the machine collected enough money (Money to pay the big win + profit for the casino).

4. It's up to the compressed air and magnets to put the ball in that number.

This means that you seeing the ball spinning and falling on a number is nothing more than just an animation because the number is already pre determined and is 100% not random. Where is my proof?

This is a roulette by NOVOMATIC called Lotus roulette (You can google it) that most "Salon de Juego" here in Spain use and by the way all you're about to see is 100% legal and if you think about sueing them you will not win because on paper it's 100% legal and this is why I said the problem is in the laws and they need to change.

Here's the context of these videos: I was with a friend playing this roulette and I was losing and we started this conversation about it being rigged, and he said it is random and I told him let's run an experiment. I asked him to pick 2 numbers that I will leave without betting and he picked 22 and 9. now check the result in this video:

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I can imagine cheater Live casinos exist in the world. (not because of this video maybe if happen 5 times in a row.)
but evo cheating? 100% not. 
Last message here. We wasting time here imo. good night.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

I can imagine cheater Live casinos exist in the world. (not because of this video maybe if happen 5 times in a row.)
but evo cheating? 100% not. 
Last message here. We wasting time here imo. good night.

Bruuuh, seriously how much they're paying you? (Not sarcasm).

The rules here in Spain are a LOT much strict than the UK, and casinos with spanish license including Pokerstars cannot provide Crazy time, Monopoly... to spanish players, I admit that I play sometimes on non licensed casinos but still evolution gaming is as rigged as it could get. 

I can upload a lot more videos showing you the same thing happening, but as I said it is 100% legal. Auto roulettes are not considered as roulettes. So normal roulette rules does not apply. On paper they are considered as EGMs (Electronic Gaming Machines) same as slots. They will not pay before collecting enough money. Is this fair? No. Legal? Yes

They shouldn't advertise their games as RANDOM if they're actually NOT random. Simple as that 

 

[dirtystack]

Did you understand that 0,05% Monopoly probability is the result of maybe 4 hours of spins so you can’t compare that to playing lottery tickets every minute? Maybe comparing lottery probabilities to this scenario isn’t the best example. But I’m totally ok admitting if I was wrong. 

This further highlights how flawed your problem solving is.

It is not the result of 4 hours of spins, it is a 4 hour segement, of a sequence of many many thousands of spins, that you have pulled because it supports your argument. You ignore when the opposite is true - that 4 spins comes more often then it should- and you ignore when the game is running to expectation.

Ass for this dice throwing app, why not build into it the ability for it to count the amount of throws between each triple. 1440 throws would be a day of throws assuming 1 throw per min. Might actually be useful To support/dismiss your position if it could do this as I don’t have the inclination to click and count and record the millions of times required to get any Idea.

 

[Stevej]

This further highlights how flawed your problem solving is.

It is not the result of 4 hours of spins, it is a 4 hour segement, of a sequence of many many thousands of spins, that you have pulled because it supports your argument. You ignore when the opposite is true - that 4 spins comes more often then it should- and you ignore when the game is running to expectation.

Not ignoring that. I know the percentage of 4 rolls is now higher in last 24 hours than the average. That is not what I’m pointing. I know Monopoly works like this: Lots of spins without 4 rolls (today it was almost 400) and then 4 rolls constantly. The average appearance of 4 rolls in 24 hours or longer period could be really high.

In 54 numbers in the wheel I have calculated that the wheel variance is manipulated. If you run the wheel in ”the perfect world” 4 rolls comes every 54th spin. Of course in real world sometimes there will be scenarios that it reaches 400, or even 500 spins. But not constantly unless you control it.

Wouldn’t it be so beneficial to put 400 spins without the best bonus game in a time when there’s lots of players? Then drop bonuses like crazy when everyone’s gone to sleep.

Bonus game (a man walking on a table) paying variance is clear and works like in slots. I’m not talking about that one.

But the wheel is not a live game. It’s rigged and controlled rng based game.

 

[Asle Martinsen]

Lol. What a great argumentation. But since I don’t need to call you monkey as you obviously have to in order to get some boost, I just ask you, what do you mean?

Cause 6 outcomes are obviously (1,1,1), (2,2,2), (3,3.3), (4,4,4), (5,5,5), and (6,6,6). Now, what is the total number of outcomes? 6x6x6 = 216. Therefore, the probability of a triple is 6/216 = 1/36.

Yeah, my bad, late night brain fart. 

Ultimately it doesn't matter though. You can get triples 3 times in a row, just as you can get any given slot on the wheel 5 times in a row, and then you can have 50 spins without a feature. 

And as others pointed out, why dont you just bet on 1, 2 and 5 on crazy time (for example)? You have the chance to bet on any of the outcomes. 

 

[dirtystack]

In 54 numbers in the wheel I have calculated that the wheel variance is manipulated

You haven't calculated that the wheel is manipulated at all, you are speculating that it is manipulated based on what you have seen.

Now, do I think everything is above board with casinos online?

I don't, I am not steadfast in any belief either way and I am aware of the degree to which people will exploit eachother.

I just don't see anything here that wouldn't be instantly dismissed were it to be submitted as "proof"

You need to compile and analyse data in a scientific and impartial way, not just suck off anyone else who agrees with you, hence my meme on page 1.

 

[Stevej]

You haven't calculated that the wheel is manipulated at all, you are speculating that it is manipulated based on what you have seen.

Now, do I think everything is above board with casinos online?

I don't, I am not steadfast in any belief either way and I am aware of the degree to which people will exploit eachother.

I just don't see anything here that wouldn't be instantly dismissed were it to be submitted as "proof"

You need to compile and analyse data in a scientific and impartial way, not just suck off anyone else who agrees with you, hence my meme on page 1.

Okey, cool! I’ve chosen my side and stand behind these thoughts. Most importantly it helped me to quit these Evo games.

Good luck with everything and your meme was really funny.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

You haven't calculated that the wheel is manipulated at all, you are speculating that it is manipulated based on what you have seen.

Now, do I think everything is above board with casinos online?

I don't, I am not steadfast in any belief either way and I am aware of the degree to which people will exploit eachother.

I just don't see anything here that wouldn't be instantly dismissed were it to be submitted as "proof"

You need to compile and analyse data in a scientific and impartial way, not just suck off anyone else who agrees with you, hence my meme on page 1.

The thing is about analysing data in a scientific way and maths and all that, it only makes sense when something is RANDOM. Evo games are not random with visual proof. If you're still not convinced you might aswel believe the earth is flat mate.

 

[dirtystack]

The thing is about analysing data in a scientific way and maths and all that, it only makes sense when something is RANDOM. Evo games are not random with visual proof. If you're still not convinced you might aswel believe the earth is flat mate.

Bye

 

[Skylined87]

Believe what you want, however let me just do a very brief reply...

1. http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PDF/Remote-gambling-and-software-technical-standards.pdf

This is requirement from UKGC & how they assure that any live games or slots are fair for the players, notably specifying "Adaptive behaviour (ie a compensated game) is not permitted."

2. MGA is following similar rules when issuing a license to Casino (https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Compliance-Audit-Manual.pdf)

3. The case is simple - Games / Live games have a set RTP which has to be tested for all markets to ensure fairness. Since Crazy Time & Monopoly, etc. is offered in the UK market, they must adhere to the requirements I posted in the first link. If they do not, or if they are found doing a foul play - they lose the license, reputation, be slapped with a hefty fine and close down the business. (they don't run multiple instances of Monpoly & Crazy Time, hence this statement applies)

It's a profitable business model and it would be plain foolish to "rig" the games, because the house always wins.

All these regulations are in place to provide law for the gaming providers. Just like your country made laws for you to follow.

You break the law, you're going to have to deal with consequences.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Bye

I read the response before you edited it but I won't really bother because as I said in my previous posts, there are people who actually would tell you that a sheep was flying by, even if you took a video and showed them that it's a bird, they would still say NO IT'S A SHEEP! So no point to argue here.

Believe what you want, however let me just do a very brief reply...

1. http://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/PDF/Remote-gambling-and-software-technical-standards.pdf

This is requirement from UKGC & how they assure that any live games or slots are fair for the players, notably specifying "Adaptive behaviour (ie a compensated game) is not permitted."

2. MGA is following similar rules when issuing a license to Casino (https://www.mga.org.mt/wp-content/uploads/Compliance-Audit-Manual.pdf)

3. The case is simple - Games / Live games have a set RTP which has to be tested for all markets to ensure fairness. Since Crazy Time & Monopoly, etc. is offered in the UK market, they must adhere to the requirements I posted in the first link. If they do not, or if they are found doing a foul play - they lose the license, reputation, be slapped with a hefty fine and close down the business. (they don't run multiple instances of Monpoly & Crazy Time, hence this statement applies)

It's a profitable business model and it would be plain foolish to "rig" the games, because the house always wins.

Everybody knows this procedure and knows the "RTP fairness" etc. But when you have ACTUAL VISUAL proof that they're rigged, how can you deny it? I don't get it.

Plus there are things that the UKGC or gambling authorities would consider legal and fair but they SHOULD not be, I set the example of that with auto roulettes.

And by the way MGA is a joke. It literally licensed casinos in the past that worked with Mafias, and laundered money and they kept their licenses valid for a longtime even though authorities in Italy ruled against them.

 

[Skylined87]

I read the response before you edited it but I won't really bother because as I said in my previous posts, there are people who actually would tell you that a sheep was flying by, even if you took a video and showed them that it's a bird, they would still say NO IT'S A SHEEP! So no point to argue here.

Everybody knows this procedure and knows the "RTP fairness" etc. But when you have ACTUAL VISUAL proof that they're rigged, how can you deny it? I don't get it.

Plus there are things that the UKGC or gambling authorities would consider legal and fair but they SHOULD not be, I set the example of that with auto roulettes.

And by the way MGA is a joke. It literally licensed casinos in the past that worked with Mafias, and laundered money and they kept their licenses valid for a longtime even though authorities in Italy ruled against them.

Just to make it clear - any casino game or live game is provided by game providers and casinos have zero effect on how the game plays (unless extreme circumstances like shady Curacao brands that were found in use of pirated & manipulated game).

Casinos can choose the version of the game that is offered with pre-set RTP's (like 86%, 90%, 92%, 96%). Most game providers only give out standard game setting of a ~96%. Live games have it slightly lower, still they only offer one version of RTP of the games.

If you think you have proof then act on it, send to news stations, UKGC and all the authorities.

And again, why would you need to rig the game if the math is already in your favor? 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Just to make it clear - any casino game or live game is provided by game providers and casinos have zero effect on how the game plays (unless extreme circumstances like shady Curacao brands that were found in use of pirated & manipulated game).

Casinos can choose the version of the game that is offered with pre-set RTP's (like 86%, 90%, 92%, 96%). Most game providers only give out standard game setting of a ~96%. Live games have it slightly lower, still they only offer one version of RTP of the games.

If you think you have proof then act on it, send to news stations, UKGC and all the authorities.

And again, why would you need to rig the game if the math is already in your favor? 

I mean we know all that, the conversation is beyond the chosen RTP and licenses and all that. But those factors in my opinion are there just for show, because there is clear visual evidence that the games are rigged, therefore the matematical and statistical point does not matter. 

I.e: Statistically and matematically in monopoly you shouldn't bet on 1 and 5, because it only serves to make you bet more and lose more and also lowers the volatility. But does this matter when they kick you out of the game because they're about to land a controlled massive record win? Just because you were going to win €960,000 and they cannot afford to pay that much to one single player?

And about your question, from a business stand point which is the most important point and what really matters to any company, it is not profitable. The games and the studios costs a lot of money to run 24/7/365, with those profit margins it's not worth it and by the way EG is a multi million company. 

 

[MaggieMay]

Raise your hand if you have insider information about this...

 

[damson95]

Only dumb addicted gamblers will play crazytime or monopoly in rows. Just bet 1 or 2 times on the bonus and close the game if it's not coming. Yes evolution are the biggest mf on the net, 

 

[Slotspinner]

I read the response before you edited it but I won't really bother because as I said in my previous posts, there are people who actually would tell you that a sheep was flying by, even if you took a video and showed them that it's a bird, they would still say NO IT'S A SHEEP! So no point to argue here.

Everybody knows this procedure and knows the "RTP fairness" etc. But when you have ACTUAL VISUAL proof that they're rigged, how can you deny it? I don't get it.

Plus there are things that the UKGC or gambling authorities would consider legal and fair but they SHOULD not be, I set the example of that with auto roulettes.

And by the way MGA is a joke. It literally licensed casinos in the past that worked with Mafias, and laundered money and they kept their licenses valid for a longtime even though authorities in Italy ruled against them.

Theres no actual visual proof. I have shown several questionable roulette clips that i myself thought are 'fkin rigged' to MaxCoins in USA, who has been very involved with people that have 100x the experience that we all in this thread  combined have of gambling. And some of his extreme Roulette experts have been shown these clips, and they just laughed at it saying they have seen way worse bounces/weird stuff going on - sometimes roulette balls do extreme things, doesnt mean its rigged.

Visual Proof is almost never conclusive, except if its literally physically impossible which has never occured on a wheel online.

 

[Ladyll80]

Theres no actual visual proof. I have shown several questionable roulette clips that i myself thought are 'fkin rigged' to MaxCoins in USA, who has been very involved with people that have 100x the experience that we all in this thread  combined have of gambling. And some of his extreme Roulette experts have been shown these clips, and they just laughed at it saying they have seen way worse bounces/weird stuff going on - sometimes roulette balls do extreme things, doesnt mean its rigged.

Visual Proof is almost never conclusive, except if its literally physically impossible which has never occured on a wheel online.

Maybe you guys have some casino business running or Evolution stocks etc, because that's the only reason to say these roulette videos are not real visual proof... Everybody can see these videos are real and these games rigged.

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

Theres no actual visual proof. I have shown several questionable roulette clips that i myself thought are 'fkin rigged' to MaxCoins in USA, who has been very involved with people that have 100x the experience that we all in this thread  combined have of gambling. And some of his extreme Roulette experts have been shown these clips, and they just laughed at it saying they have seen way worse bounces/weird stuff going on - sometimes roulette balls do extreme things, doesnt mean its rigged.

Visual Proof is almost never conclusive, except if its literally physically impossible which has never occured on a wheel online.

Again, the problem here is that everyone defending EG is talking in the dark with nothing to backup their claims, just theories. While I provide visual proof. I asked this guy and that guy means absolutely nothing and is not a valid argument, and even if true "this guy" should also backup his claims with proof and not because "I'm an expert then I'm right".

I have been gambling online AND offline for a very longtime, knowing that the roulette wheels they use in EG are manufactured by the SAME company and using the same models, why these ball movements NEVER happen in landbased casinos? Also scientifically there is no physical law known to mankind that would explain these movements, 

Why did they kick me out before landing the 9600x Monopoly win? 

How can the dice in monopoly roll the SAME results 3 times in a row on a replay?

How can patchinko pay 10x before the ball actually dropped? and so many more questions....

 

[dirtystack]

@TheCasinoGuy

using the words scientific, mathematic and statistics in their adverb form does not mean you know what the hell you are talking about.

To anyone working in a casino these ball movements you deem impossible happen all the time, over and over again.

Submit you video proof to the UKGC - they will tell you there is nothing out of the norm here. They probably won’t bother replying to be honest, I imagine they get loads of people submitting similar stupid shit.
 

 Evolution uses different balls on different wheels, some are ivory, some are an ivory imitation, some are polyflurotetraethelyne, they all behave differently.  

Stop trying to make out you are some kind of expert; you are clueless.

If anyone is to expose trickery in online games it won’t be you as your proofs don’ prove anything any more then your use of adverbs proves you know what you are talking about. 

Now, we can all claim to have our bet rejected on a 9600x round - can you provide us with any proof that this happened to you, any chat transcript with the live help, any complaint you filed with a complaints service, can you? How about the round history in question showing also the couple of rounds preceding so we can see if you were really playing prior to the first chance landing.

Or did you just let it go, wasn’t worth pursuing as it was only a 9600x win, or, maybe you will go the route of trying to convince us that you didn’t make a complaint because the whole complaints service is in the pocket of the casino?

If you plan to excuse your lack of history due to not remembering when it happened - 27/04/2020 was when it happened.

You have an opportunity here @TheCasinoGuy to provide the first bit of actual truth relating to anything you have said, time to shine.

Didn’t think so. Stick to facts, stop lying. 

Full of shit. Don’t post BS if you don’t want to be called out on it.
 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

@TheCasinoGuy

using the words scientific, mathematic and statistics in their adverb form does not mean you know what the hell you are talking about.

To anyone working in a casino these ball movements you deem impossible happen all the time, over and over again.

Submit you video proof to the UKGC - they will tell you there is nothing out of the norm here. They probably won’t bother replying to be honest, I imagine they get loads of people submitting similar stupid shit.
 

 Evolution uses different balls on different wheels, some are ivory, some are an ivory imitation, some are polyflurotetraethelyne, they all behave differently.  

Stop trying to make out you are some kind of expert; you are clueless.

If anyone is to expose trickery in online games it won’t be you as your proofs don’ prove anything any more then your use of adverbs proves you know what you are talking about. 

Now, we can all claim to have our bet rejected on a 9600x round - can you provide us with any proof that this happened to you, any chat transcript with the live help, any complaint you filed with a complaints service, can you? How about the round history in question showing also the couple of rounds proceeding so we can see if you were really playing prior to the first chance landing.

Or did you just let it go, wasn’t worth pursuing as it was only a 9600x win, or, maybe you will go the route of trying to convince us that you didn’t make a complaint because the whole complaints service is in the pocket of the casino?

Didn’t think so. Stick to facts, stop lying. 

Full of shit. Don’t post BS if you don’t want to be called on it.
 

Lmao, you're just using reverse argument for the sake of winning an argument. Everything I said is actually on point and until now including you haven't replied to any of my arguments regarding EG, auto roulettes and regulations, just accusing me of lying while I provided proof for everything I said lmao, the typic low blow when losing an argument.

I'm not clueless as you claim, I'm actually a very experienced and seasoned gambler, and I bet you €1000 euros RIGHT NOW to prove to me that those ball movements are legit, any video from a live wheel in a licensed landbase casino? 

I would actually reverse it and say you're the clueless one here, when you spoke about the ball material. The balls used in EG wheels are made of teflon because they seem flat white, while ivory balls tend to be more yellowish, but still it could be ivory too, none can tell for certain. But the difference between the two is very small, the ivory balls tend to "bounce" a little bit more. Notice I used the word bounce and not VIBRATE as it happens in the videos.

There is no material or natural bounce that will make the ball get off the INSIDE of the pocket and jump 2 or 3 numbers back.

Now about the monopoly, unfortunately I don't have the screenshots for it because at first I thought it was my internet, but after I checked it working fine and also other players had the same issue, I knew it was of their making. I can't report it to any authorities here because I was playing on an unlicensed casino (Roobet), and no spanish casino offers these game shows because the DGOJ refused to grant them the license to do so. Guess why

Conclusion, stop trying to defend something that is clear as the sky. If you have valid proof to prove me wrong POST IT.

And by the way, the UKGC, the DGOJ and all betting regulators are not as innocent as you think, many things are LEGAL and licensend but they shouldn't be as they're completely unfair to the players.