Monopoly lowered the RTP

"Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls. I would say it's happening every day, but not sure of that"
 

I know 400-500 Not happening everyday
200 spins without 4 roll happening like everyday but it's super standard on 1/54 game

 
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@stevej

7x7x7x40 in Dream Catcher is 1 in 8,5 Million and very bad for Evolution, yet it happened already

Only considering bad things for the player ?

 
780xFTW said:
there is no need for them to rigg these low rtp games. i wanted to point out that evo doesnt handle payments
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No but they earn of revenue share, meaning a win like that will demolish their earnings for a while depending on how exactly they earn the revenue from the casinos

 
Ladyll80 said:
Interesting conversation! Actually I think you didn't understand the point here.
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Oh I see how this working doesn't matter Stevej talking about completely the opposite what you said in your first post he thinks it's rigged too so he's right.





 











you: "Or maybe they've changed it that it's paying small wins more often (for example giving four rolls more often but with small wins)."

Stevej: "this is happening constantly all the time (image attached). Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls"
Oh I see how this working doesn't matter Stevej talking about completely the opposite what you said in your first post. He Believe the game is rigged so He's right too.
 
 







 







 
 
 
 
 







 




 
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Stevej said:
And some reference. In the lottery game in our country you need 7 numbers right for the biggest win (numbers from 1 to 40). 

The probability for 5 right numbers is 0,05%.

So maybe the variance is doing its thing and I will be getting 5 rights constantly in future. Because so far my best has been 3 out of 7. Lol...
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This post highlights how flawed your ability to analyse what you observe is.

It is quite terrible.

If you can play this lottery as often as you can spin on Evolution game shows, around 1spin per min, then you will have 1440 lottery attempts per day. You state the chance of getting 5 numbers is 0.05% - this is 1 in 2000 chance. You should, if you play one ticket per minute, win the 5 number prize once ever 1.5 days on average over a large enough sample size.

You are comparing apples to oranges In an attempt to make a point. 

 
Slotspinner said:
@dirtystack wasted time to argue here imo , if people believe its rigged you cant change them.
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I'm actually very surprised that a seasoned gambler would argue that evolution gaming is 100% random and have no control over their games and they're not rigged. The only argument I keep hearing is "They don't need to rigg it because they don't handle payments and they take revenue share". Well Ok. To understand what I'm about to say, you must know how business works.

From a business stand point any company will do anything to maximize their revenue, and in this case rigging the games and having control on winnings will definitely do the trick, it costs them a lot of money to run the studios 24/7/365 etc... they need to make money to cover that and to make profits (Profits has to be millions of euros because it's capitalism).

Releasing big wins like the 7x7x7 dreamcatcher, thousands of x on crazy time... etc, is actually not a blow to them, they won't release such big wins if they haven't MADE that money from bets already, it's like an auto roulette, it won't give you 1000 euros unless it already banked at least 1428 euros (70% RTP). Plus releasing big wins serves them as HUGE marketing, companies spend millions of euros on marketing that a normal person will see as waste of money or a blow to the company's revenue but in fact it's not, it will triple their revenues.

Do  you remember when monopoly paid 9600x? I was playing monopoly at that time and I was one of the MANY who got kicked out even though I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems, that's because I had 100 euros on the 4 rolls and it would have paid me almost a million euros along with hunderds of other players who were on at that time and betting big. Simply because the money they collected was not enough to pay for everyone (I remember they paid out 2,2m euros in total), they kicked out most of the players and kept the low bets.

I have videos, screenshots etc... to prove that the games are rigged, and you can just go on youtube and see different videos how the wheels and roulettes are rigged.

 
dirtystack said:
This post highlights how flawed your ability to analyse what you observe is.

It is quite terrible.

If you can play this lottery as often as you can spin on Evolution game shows, around 1spin per min, then you will have 1440 lottery attempts per day. You state the chance of getting 5 numbers is 0.05% - this is 1 in 2000 chance. You should, if you play one ticket per minute, win the 5 number prize once ever 1.5 days on average over a large enough sample size.

You are comparing apples to oranges In an attempt to make a point. 
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You’re the guy who starts arguing how bad other person’s thinking is or how wrong person is. In intelligent arguing that’s never necessary. So bro, take a breath and leave your emotions out.

Did you understand that 0,05% Monopoly probability is the result of maybe 4 hours of spins so you can’t compare that to playing lottery tickets every minute? Maybe comparing lottery probabilities to this scenario isn’t the best example. But I’m totally ok admitting if I was wrong. 

One of my javascript apps calculates series of three dices and shows what’s the biggest amount of throws between triples like in millions of throws. It’s pseudo rng of course, but since it seems Evo using rng’s in their games, it’s basically the same.

Like in this one. Try to get even 300 throws without triples. Sometime it probably happens. But not every day, or not even every second day (super sic bo is maybe 1 throw in 40-60 seconds)

https://virtualdiceroll.com/3/en/three-dice

 
It's amazing how quickly everyone assumes whenever they lose at anything it must be rigged. Like if the wheel gets stuck between a bonus and a 1 and gets ruled a 1 people assume it was rigged away from the bonus, etc (when it easily could've gotten stuck the other way around and been a bonus) or if it's an unusually high amount of spins between bonuses they assume it's rigged (hello? all these people claiming how good they are with math do not understand basic stuff like variance. Yes if it's 1 in 54 for a bonus it can easily have a stretch where you get 300 spins no bonus at some point when the game is spun 24 hours a day 7 days a week streaks will happen. It also will spin the 1 in 54 bonus back to back too for the good side of variance.) 

Simple as this: if you honestly are silly enough to think they rig the wheels put your money where your mouth is and bet on 1. How can a game where you can bet on literally any outcome be rigged? If they were artificially spinning more 1s than they should you can just put your money on the 1 and break the casino no? 

Long run you are going to lose at wheel games or any casino games. This does not mean they are "rigged"

 
TheCasinoGuy said:
I'm actually very surprised that a seasoned gambler would argue that evolution gaming is 100% random and have no control over their games and they're not rigged. The only argument I keep hearing is "They don't need to rigg it because they don't handle payments and they take revenue share". Well Ok. To understand what I'm about to say, you must know how business works.

From a business stand point any company will do anything to maximize their revenue, and in this case rigging the games and having control on winnings will definitely do the trick, it costs them a lot of money to run the studios 24/7/365 etc... they need to make money to cover that and to make profits (Profits has to be millions of euros because it's capitalism).

Releasing big wins like the 7x7x7 dreamcatcher, thousands of x on crazy time... etc, is actually not a blow to them, they won't release such big wins if they haven't MADE that money from bets already, it's like an auto roulette, it won't give you 1000 euros unless it already banked at least 1428 euros (70% RTP). Plus releasing big wins serves them as HUGE marketing, companies spend millions of euros on marketing that a normal person will see as waste of money or a blow to the company's revenue but in fact it's not, it will triple their revenues.

Do  you remember when monopoly paid 9600x? I was playing monopoly at that time and I was one of the MANY who got kicked out even though I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems, that's because I had 100 euros on the 4 rolls and it would have paid me almost a million euros along with hunderds of other players who were on at that time and betting big. Simply because the money they collected was not enough to pay for everyone (I remember they paid out 2,2m euros in total), they kicked out most of the players and kept the low bets.

I have videos, screenshots etc... to prove that the games are rigged, and you can just go on youtube and see different videos how the wheels and roulettes are rigged.
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Exactly!!!

 
Money Train said:
Can't wait to watch it. Could you show it to us, please?
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You could have just answered me how can I get kicked out suddenly before a huge win knowing I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems.

But OK we should go 1 by 1 starting with this. Can you explain to me by any physical law known to mankind how can a ball land on number 5 and out of a sudden vibrate and jump to number 8 to release a big win?

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