ban online casino streamers

Ziggy said:
My argument was in comparison to your comment regarding Supermarkets selling alcohol to alcoholics. I never said heroin was good to be dealt, nor did I imply that you said it. I simply compared the too and stated that just because alcohol or gambling is legal, it does not mean that it should be. There is really no point arguing on this issue i.e. (banning gambling altogether) because it will never happen. What we can do, however, is to talk about how to minimize the effects it has on vulnerable people. When an alcoholic walks into the shop, known to the owner to have severe drinking problems, the owner can and often does refuse to sell one alcohol. Casinos, however, do not care, unless the addict explicitly asks them to ban him or her from their premises. 
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You were making a total false comparison by comparing somebody selling something legal (alcohol) -v- somebody selling something illegal (heroin). In other words, if gambling were to be illegal, I would not be streaming it.

You are saying that alcohol should not be legal? Why? Because some can't control their intake, those that can should suffer?

If a known problem gambler is watching me and I know that he is known problem gambler, I will advise him that it may be best he doesn't continue watching me. I can't stop him whilst a shop keeper can refuse to sell the alcohol. So your comparison is, once again, not valid.

And you are wrong regarding casinos. Any reputable casino that sees patterns consistent with a problem gambler, has every right to close their account. And they have done so and I am sure will continue to do so else they potentially risk their license.

 
Slotplayer said:
Well the drug that a drug lord would supply are highly illegal in this Country and most others in the world. We are referring to heroin after all for goodness sake!!!

With regards the timing that I stream, our 08:30 in the morning is somebody else 20:30 in the evening, or 21:30 in the evening, or 22:30 in the evening or even 01:30 in morning.

Your argument about the time of my stream would have weight if I streamed on UK television, but I stream on a world wide network for a global audience.
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@Slotplayer good feedback and agree this is a problem with it being a worldwide network but the authority's have the power to stop this in the uk, You said you are responsible so show it and get on board, you wouldn't be allowed as you agree i think to do this on a TV in the UK during the day so why ok on a computer screen and these days most people have it connected to the TV anyway ! 

 
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@Slotplayer good feedback and agree this is a problem with it being a worldwide network but the authority's have the power to stop this in the uk, You said you are responsible so show it and get on board, you wouldn't be allowed as you agree i think to do this on a TV in the UK during the day so why ok on a computer screen and these days most people have it connected to the TV anyway ! 
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Because my audience is worldwide on a medium that is world wide and not controlled by the UK Government. A computer connected to a TV screen is a moot point and has no relevance at all. If my broadcast was aired on UK controlled television then your argument applies, alas it is not the case.

And even if I was not allowed to stream during the day, it is not going to help the problem gambler you are concerned about. Children should be at school anyway rather than watching Youtube during the day and when on school holidays, the parents have greater responsibility than me to control what their ankle biters are up to on the internet.

 
I think that a lot of you are as addicted to the attention you get by streaming as you are to the money that you get by advertising.  This whole setup is a labyrinthian psychological prison with very little hope of escape for the people who get deep into it -- see that Slotplayer guy.  He's posted a hundred times in this thread trying to white-knight gambling affiliates!  And in most of his posts it comes across as little more than him trying to convince himself that what he does is okay rather than anybody else.

If there are any psychology doctoral students around-- these guys would make for a very relevant dissertation.

It all reminds me of the movie Thank You For Smoking.

 
nomoregamblingstreams said:
I think that a lot of you are as addicted to the attention you get by streaming as you are to the money that you get by advertising.  This whole setup is a labyrinthian psychological prison with very little hope of escape for the people who get deep into it -- see that Slotplayer guy.  He's posted a hundred times in this thread trying to white-knight gambling affiliates!  And in most of his posts it comes across as little more than him trying to convince himself that what he does is okay rather than anybody else.

If there are any psychology doctoral students around-- these guys would make for a very relevant dissertation.

It all reminds me of the movie Thank You For Smoking.
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I would further add that the community itself is very difficult to leave. People bond via the streams and their addiction and it's an outlet to get a minor fix and surround themselves with other, relatable addicts. People see the streamers as relatable people when all they are doing is trying to extract money from the vulnerable.

The biggest joke is that streamers believe they are actually benefiting a community by streaming such content. I'm not sure if this is a front or if they are totally deluded enough to believe it. The 'exclusive' offers they promote are often not exclusive and commenters on here suggest that non sticky bonuses are the best but then promote casinos who do not offer this to further maximise revenue.

I will defend SlotPlayer in that he says people with addiction should not be watching his streams. However, this is not an opinion shared by most streamers. They encourage people to watch to surpress their addiction and I've seen streamers refer addicts to this very forum, which consists of affiliate links and big win pictures which is awful. 

How any addict, reformed or current can stream is beyond me. They have been through the lows but then push links on others, sometimes the most vulnerable. 

 
nomoregamblingstreams said:
I think that a lot of you are as addicted to the attention you get by streaming as you are to the money that you get by advertising.  This whole setup is a labyrinthian psychological prison with very little hope of escape for the people who get deep into it -- see that Slotplayer guy.  He's posted a hundred times in this thread trying to white-knight gambling affiliates!  And in most of his posts it comes across as little more than him trying to convince himself that what he does is okay rather than anybody else.

If there are any psychology doctoral students around-- these guys would make for a very relevant dissertation.

It all reminds me of the movie Thank You For Smoking.
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The whole point of this forum is discussion. This topic is to discuss the statement the OP made. He even thanked all for the feedback and encouraged the discussion. So if it takes another 100 posts of mine for that discussion to continue, then you are not going to stop me.

What I do regarding streaming is OK in my mind and OK for my viewers. It is clearly not OK to you, but each to their own so to speak. What you don't do is silence those that have a different opinion to yours. Is that what you want to do?

Students can make all sorts of this topic indeed. They could study why problem addicted gamblers make a conscious choice watching material that they really shouldn't be watching for example, especially if they are serious about giving up gambling. Remember that it takes two to tango so to speak.

And there is the word "addicted" again. It so easy to use when in reality the dictionary description of addiction doesn't apply in most cases. Talk about tarring everybody with the same brush, something I wouldn't do.

For your information, I will not be streaming until Tuesday morning now and will not touch the slots until then either. Not quite the actions of an addict now isn't it?

 
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Slotplayer said:
The whole point of this forum is discussion. This topic is to discuss the statement the OP made. He even thanked all for the feedback and encouraged the discussion. So if it takes another 100 posts of mine for that discussion to continue, then you are not going to stop me.

What I do regarding streaming is OK in my mind and OK for my viewers. It is clearly not OK to you, but each to their own so to speak. What you don't do is silence those that have a different opinion to yours. Is that what you want to do?

Students can make all sorts of this topic indeed. They could study why problem addicted gamblers make a conscious choice watching material that they really shouldn't be watching for example, especially if they are serious about giving up gambling. Remember that it takes two to tango so to speak.

And there is the word "addicted" again. It so easy to use when in reality the dictionary description of addiction doesn't apply in most cases. Talk about tarring everybody with the same brush, something I wouldn't do.

For your information, I will not be streaming until Tuesday morning now and will not touch the slots until then either. Not quite the actions of an addict now isn't it?
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Unrelated to what you posted Slotplayer but check out Craig slots videos comment section on his latest video. Some wild accusations flying around about you. Sounds like a troll to be fair.

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
Unrelated to what you posted Slotplayer but check out Craig slots videos comment section on his latest video. Some wild accusations flying around about you. Sounds like a troll to be fair.
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I won't have time to read it but don't tell me I own a casino / am an employee of one?

Edit found the comment. I replied as follows: "Hey Matthew - I already told you in Nick's stream that I am no employee of Jackpot City. I told you that I own that casino plus Casumo, Rizk, William Hill and Benny Hill"

Cheers for the heads up @RyanMcSplooger

 
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Slotplayer said:
I won't have time to read it but don't tell me I own a casino / am an employee of one?

Edit found the comment. I replied as follows: "Hey Matthew - I already told you in Nick's stream that I am no employee of Jackpot City. I told you that I own that casino plus Casumo, Rizk, William Hill and Benny Hill"

Cheers for the heads up @RyanMcSplooger
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Trolls everywhere man. I get accused of all sorts! 

 
Slotplayer said:
He started it off in Nick's stream this afternoon knowing that I was watching. I made the same comment then to him after which he went off. Obviously continuing it elsewhere.
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I saw the comment too. And while I do not believe that any approved streamer from CG would use such marketing techniques, there are many others who do. Won't mention the names here, but I think we all know them anyway. 

 
Ziggy said:
I saw the comment too. And while I do not believe that any approved streamer from CG would use such marketing techniques, there are many others who do. Won't mention the names here, but I think we all know them anyway. 
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Well if you think about the comment that this person made. Even if it was true that I worked for that particular casino how the hell would I know that it was him watching my stream and then I would have to find his account and call him.

 
Slotplayer said:
Well if you think about the comment that this person made. Even if it was true that I worked for that particular casino how the hell would I know that it was him watching my stream and then I would have to find his account and call him.
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@Slotplayer dont worry we all know it is total crap, I do hear some wild things like streamers rig the slots or the casino sites have special RTP for streamers etc, I dont believe any of it and honestly believe most are genuine who play with real money, As you know though this isn't my issue ! 

 
My final comment on this.

I tried to engage with those that don't like streaming / affiliation. But after today's stream I have realised what a bunch of immature people I am dealing with.

Troll account after troll account being created with user names that are not only immature but quite plainly insulting to others. I felt sorry for my single poor moderator that had to deal with the behaviour of this person / these people.

I will now join the rest and keep myself to myself and enjoy the streaming including affiliation links. If you don't like it, to be honest I have now long gone beyond caring.

And for some to say the "streaming community is toxic". Sort your own community out first!

 
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Slotplayer said:
My final comment on this.

I tried to engage with those that don't like streaming / affiliation. But after today's stream I have realised what a bunch of immature people I am dealing with.

Troll account after troll account being created with user names that are not only immature but quite plainly insulting to others. I felt sorry for my single poor moderator that had to deal with the behaviour of this person / these people.

I will now join the rest and keep myself to myself and enjoy the streaming including affiliation links. If you don't like it, to be honest I have now long gone beyond caring.

And for some to say the "streaming community is toxic". Sort your own community out first!
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It's borderline impossible to have an adult conversation with anyone on there about it. It just attracts the drama seekers and trolls. I started making anti affiliate videos again and I get it from pretty much everyone. 

The community is full of idiots with no life. 

 
Slotplayer said:
My final comment on this.

I tried to engage with those that don't like streaming / affiliation. But after today's stream I have realised what a bunch of immature people I am dealing with.

Troll account after troll account being created with user names that are not only immature but quite plainly insulting to others. I felt sorry for my single poor moderator that had to deal with the behaviour of this person / these people.

I will now join the rest and keep myself to myself and enjoy the streaming including affiliation links. If you don't like it, to be honest I have now long gone beyond caring.

And for some to say the "streaming community is toxic". Sort your own community out first!
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I sincerely hope you're not suggesting I had anything to do with this. As soon as you wrote this I had someone under a fake account comment in video about me trolling on a stream earlier.

This is nothing to do with me and unless you have evidence to prove it please don't suggest it. I assume you were because you quoted me in saying this "community is toxic"

To reiterate, this was not me and I don't know who did it. What usernames were they under? If you could tell me I would probably know who it was 

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
It's borderline impossible to have an adult conversation with anyone on there about it. It just attracts the drama seekers and trolls. I started making anti affiliate videos again and I get it from pretty much everyone. 

The community is full of idiots with no life. 
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I was watching a @nickslots stream as I wanted to see how many times people were mentioning being addicted gamblers, I counted 9 in 2 or 3 streams.  One guy questioned nickslots and asked him why  he had said his normal stake would never be no more than 2 or 3 quid  when now he is doing 6 and 7 quid spins and sometimes more.  Well this viewer was attacked by his loyal but mentally disturbed fan base.  There is a reason @Nick is disliked by so many people and that is because he is the most arrogant streamer around.   His viewer,s I will go as far as saying are brainwashed.  They are like a pack of animals who will surround u if u dare say anything against sir Nick.  

 
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I was watching a @nickslots stream as I wanted to see how many times people were mentioning being addicted gamblers, I counted 9 in 2 or 3 streams.  One guy questioned nickslots and asked him why  he had said his normal stake would never be no more than 2 or 3 quid  when now he is doing 6 and 7 quid spins and sometimes more.  Well this viewer was attacked by his loyal but mentally disturbed fan base.  There is a reason @Nick is disliked by so many people and that is because he is the most arrogant streamer around.   His viewer,s I will go as far as saying are brainwashed.  They are like a pack of animals who will surround u if u dare say anything against sir Nick.  
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I know this all too well. Im active on YouTube and I've made videos about them and I get harassed and get death threats over and over again. I have 300 plus screenshots of people saying they have an addiction which I've collected from such streams. 

They just want to silence people like myself. They defend them mindlessly and adore them like they're celebrities. To many of the viewers watching these streams it's their life. It's rare to find someone like you who can see right through it all. They're all brainwashed as you say.

The lies people will say about me is laughable. Anything to silence those who don't follow like sheep.

 
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