Lightning Roulette, yeah keep playing it

[joshnadin]

19 minutes ago, terror_82 said:

@joshnadindo you honestly believe that your opinions cancel out the validity of others opinions?

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

 

43 minutes ago, Stevej said:

If you prove me it really is mathematically impossible then I happily admit I’m wrong. Until that you can continue doing those smart memes like that one. It was really funny. 🙂

For me to provide evidence that would be remotely valid, it will take many hours to put something together, that I unfortunately do not have, or wish to spend my time on.

I can just as easily turn around to you and ask you to prove to me that it is mathematically possible. But that's a waste of time, and energy, and we should perhaps look at the facts that have already been presented and come to our own conclusions.

If you want to continue your belief. You do you.

If the majority of people reading this post want to agree with the maths and common sense that have been presented, they can also do that.

Edited 23 November, 2021 by joshnadin

[Stevej]

5 hours ago, joshnadin said:

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

Actually you had zero facts and zero maths. Just your opinions. You are still in your bubble. I had my opinions too. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts.

Prove me the maths, don’t just keep repeating that fancy word. Without doing that, you’re as much opinion guy as everybody else. 

Edited 24 November, 2021 by Stevej

[terror_82]

6 hours ago, joshnadin said:

Facts and opinions are very different things, mate.

 

You had only opinions moron. youre writing hours and hours of nonsense here but you say you have no time or interest to put the evidence together. because you dont have anything, just your opinions and fanaticism

[joshnadin]

2 hours ago, Stevej said:

Actually you had zero facts and zero maths. Just your opinions. You are still in your bubble. I had my opinions too. Opinions are fine, but they are not facts.

Prove me the maths, don’t just keep repeating that fancy word. Without doing that, you’re as much opinion guy as everybody else. 

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

 

1 hour ago, terror_82 said:

You had only opinions moron. youre writing hours and hours of nonsense here but you say you have no time or interest to put the evidence together. because you dont have anything, just your opinions and fanaticism

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

[terror_82]

50 minutes ago, joshnadin said:

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

 

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

yes, I have lost lots of money to Evo, i have a gambling addiction and that's have nothing to do with this post. you just keep on talking and talking, writing super long posts, nobody cares, and you don't have any facts, just your opinions. you talk about maths but it's just talking. So keep on writing these massive nonsense posts. your opinion became clear now.

[Stevej]

1 hour ago, joshnadin said:

We’re not going to get anywhere Steve. If I have to go out of my way to provide you with the fundamentals of the maths, which you won’t even be able to comprehend anyway, then my efforts would be completely wasted even if I was to do so. You’ll just go off on another, even more outrageous theory. Just like when you finally realised it would be impossible to rig the games without affecting the RTP, you went and came up with a different baseless theory. You’ll never accept it, as you don’t want to do.

If you don’t have the sense to look at the far more likely outcome that there are reasonable explanations for most things in life rather than there being a conspiracy, then you can’t speak to anyone about them being in a bubble.

 

It takes me around a minute to reply on the forum. It will take me hours of digging out information and data, then many more hours to format that into something presentable.

Judging from your post history on CG, you’ve clearly had a negative experience gambling online and seem to have many key indicators of a gambling issue. For some reason, you seem to be targeting Evo and are on some kind of bizarre crusade against them as you’ve clearly lost a lot of money to live casino games and are feeling some kind of way about it. Even going to the extent of regularly tagging them in your posts to try and get some kind of reaction out of them.

I too am way down over the long term playing all forms of casino games, as is expected. But that doesn’t justify calling things out as rigged, just because you didn’t like your experience.

Just like with Steve, and your friend Jeroen who has had his account deleted, you’ve made up your mind. So again, it’s pointless to continue any form of discussion. Myself and others have contributed some very sensible and logical reasoning as to why it would neither be beneficial or possible for any party involved, but you don’t want to know. You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’. I’ll keep explaining why it wouldn’t work, and the cycle will go on forever.

The whole thread became pretty toxic long ago, and I’m sure no one is interested at this point, including myself. But if anyone is interested, they have everyone’s viewpoint to consider, and can make their minds up themselves.

This my last comment here. I still wanna define the word rigging that you understand.

In live casino, a rigged game would mean that the game outcome is performed by rng. Like adding motor to Crazy Time ”analog” wheel: A computer calculates randomly the rng result and motor stops the wheel in that randomly picked number. Rtp would be precisely correct as in the real live version. That itself would be a rigged live game without any other extra layers of manipulation. I don’t have facts that they’re doing that, but now we were talking about if that’s possible. And it is. It turns the whole live game to a slot machine type-of-game. But I know you can’t admit you are wrong - everybody else realizes this though.

edit: now you probably change the direction of the conversation again: ”why would they do that and spent resources doing that etc..” Just stay in the subject. You are wrong. It is possible.

Edited 24 November, 2021 by Stevej

[terror_82]

the narcissist cannot admit he is wrong

[joshnadin]

7 hours ago, Stevej said:

everybody else realizes this though.

This just shows how delusional you really are 😂

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

You keep on your mission to expose the big nasty casinos and game providers that take all your money and don't play fair Stevie! 🙂

 

4 hours ago, terror_82 said:

the narcissist cannot admit he is wrong

Sigh. If you're going to call me a narcissist then at least understand the definition of the word and use it correctly 🙄

 

7 hours ago, terror_82 said:

you just keep on talking and talking, writing super long posts, nobody cares, and you don't have any facts, just your opinions. you talk about maths but it's just talking. So keep on writing these massive nonsense posts. your opinion became clear now.

If you don't care mate you could have stopped replying long ago. No one is forcing you to reply.
If you don't want to see that the fundamental principle of of the games operate actually are facts, and go and do your own research to understand what you're talking about, I can't help you.
My 'opinion', was clear long ago when I first commented on this thread. 

 

7 hours ago, terror_82 said:

yes, I have lost lots of money to Evo, i have a gambling addiction and that's have nothing to do with this post.

I'm not attacking the fact that you've got an addiction or not, addiction is serious issue and nothing to be joked about. But, if your addiction is centred around playing with a certain provider, and you then go on to attack that provider because you've lost a lot of money, you understand why that's rather relevant, right?

It's just like the toxic people in the Crazy Time chat that are horrible towards the hosts, scream that everything is rigged and spam 'magnets' and 'breaks' every time there is a result where they don't win.

[Stevej]

2 hours ago, joshnadin said:

This just shows how delusional you really are 😂

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

You keep on your mission to expose the big nasty casinos and game providers that take all your money and don't play fair Stevie! 🙂

 

Sigh. If you're going to call me a narcissist then at least understand the definition of the word and use it correctly 🙄

 

If you don't care mate you could have stopped replying long ago. No one is forcing you to reply.
If you don't want to see that the fundamental principle of of the games operate actually are facts, and go and do your own research to understand what you're talking about, I can't help you.
My 'opinion', was clear long ago when I first commented on this thread. 

 

I'm not attacking the fact that you've got an addiction or not, addiction is serious issue and nothing to be joked about. But, if your addiction is centred around playing with a certain provider, and you then go on to attack that provider because you've lost a lot of money, you understand why that's rather relevant, right?

It's just like the toxic people in the Crazy Time chat that are horrible towards the hosts, scream that everything is rigged and spam 'magnets' and 'breaks' every time there is a result where they don't win.

Good luck with everything. 👍

[Stevej]

@joshnadin This has nothing do with rigging now, but do you know anything about this? Evolution is no longer working in some provinces in Canada.

"Please note that we have confirmation that Evolution gaming is not available in Ontario Province since October 27th.

The decision was taken by the Ontario authorities and there is nothing we can do."

[hateTINfoils]

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

[joshnadin]

56 minutes ago, hateTINfoils said:

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

See, other people are able to provide sound facts! You should try looking into it sometime.. 😁

[Stevej]

56 minutes ago, hateTINfoils said:

LOL another "no facts gathering" stupid post. Evolution IS operating in Ontario with those operators who HAVE LICENSE, you are playing on casino from Canada who has no license to operate in Ontario.

It actually just shows how COMPLIENT evolution is. They blocked all casino traffic in Canada to follow canada gambling law.

and yet you claim they are rigging games.... quite a contrast here...

Alright, didn’t know that. Have a great day, sir!

[terror_82]

19 hours ago, joshnadin said:

Do you honestly not realise that you're in the vast, vast minority of people that believe what you're spouting? 98% of people who are capable of looking at something objectively and making an informed, intelligent decision about something do not believe that anything is rigged. But you're in the 'woke' 2% that knows the truth, right?! Everyone else is in a bubble and naïve!

Well i think 98% of the players know the game is rigged, it's just you, all the other industry guys and streamers who defend it, it's your money there

so let's share some evolution videos once again, enjoy that shit

my favorit video on youtube (0:10)

look at this shit for gods sake (0:33)

 

Edited 25 November, 2021 by terror_82

[joshnadin]

1 hour ago, terror_82 said:

Well i think 98% of the players know the game is rigged, it's just you, all the other industry guys and streamers who defend it, it's your money there

so let's share some evolution videos once again, enjoy that shit

my favorit video on youtube (0:10)

look at this shit for gods sake (0:33)

 

Oh, look! My prediction came true! 😅

On 24/11/2021 at 08:25, joshnadin said:

You’ll just keep posting more videos of ‘proof’, that are really just videos of unlikely events happening in a game of chance, and further speculation to support your narrative and thinking you’re ‘woke’.

Even more hilarious that that one of your videos of 'proof' is from Jeroens channel, who sadly got banned.. 🥲 

--

You think that 98% of players think the game is rigged? 🤣

Amazing.

This really is the thread that just keeps on giving!

Edited 25 November, 2021 by joshnadin

[thekingfirat]

holy magnets of magnets :OOOOOOOOO

[teckiwi]

The one of the ball getting stuck above the two numbers could also be warped wood or damaged plastic and it catching a lip that isn't meant to be there(compared to a new table).

 

Ideally the providers could remove all doubt by publically releasing all game round data(all player bets and results) with a large enough sample size(tens of thousands of consecuetive rounds) to see it's it's provably fair with active bets taken into account(ie when large amount of money is stacked on specific numbers). They could even release the video footage as I'm sure it's kept for a long enough period.

 

Edited 28 December, 2021 by teckiwi

[Jimmy8888]

the most rigged game.magnet all the time

[Stevej]

On 29/12/2021 at 00:50, teckiwi said:

Ideally the providers could remove all doubt by publically releasing all game round data(all player bets and results) with a large enough sample size(tens of thousands of consecuetive rounds) to see it's it's provably fair with active bets taken into account(ie when large amount of money is stacked on specific numbers). They could even release the video footage as I'm sure it's kept for a long enough period.

 

I totally agree! So @Evolution Gaming Official, let's do it!?