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2020 was stupidly bad for me up until the end of November.

Slots are evil mate. If you are feeling negatively towards them, after or during play, then what's the point playing them really? You can't realistically make money from slot machine so don't play if it is putting you in such a negative state.

You are directly financing your own misery.

It's like when you get to the point in Poker where, whenever in a situation where you are ahead, rather then relishing the positive feeling of winning the player instead focuses on what cards can fuck him. Then the cards come and "I knew it"

Take a break and let the despair pass, return when it can be taken lightly.

I am "the pot"

 
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Alexs said:
There is no chance that when we play slots they run at the RTP they claim it’s all a lie 
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RTP is spread across billions of spins. The paytable and possible winlines gives you chances to get that RTP in chunks, with a max win usually.

The symbols of the paytable are weighted based on payout and other factors, such as bonus game variables. The game dev is trying to make a slot in a volatility range. One that is worth playing, but one that can also pay out. This requires fine tuning when any slight change affects the RTP over those billions of spins. You will obviously know the difference between Starburst and any Book game.

You can go on horrendous runs. If you have been winning at all, it's because of 3 factors.

1. Luck. Always luck.

2. Betting strategy, including taking a bonus.

3. You know when you withdraw (and can without reversal)

You said you can afford the losses so don't worry about it. Just enjoy playing and trying. Try mixing up your slots a bit more. Don't always play super volatile games, don't always over-play a slot (I stick to 100 spins and move on, some do 50, some do 25. Some mix it up with the bet size). When the fun stops, stop.

 
tehf00n said:
RTP is spread across billions of spins. The paytable and possible winlines gives you chances to get that RTP in chunks, with a max win usually.

The symbols of the paytable are weighted based on payout and other factors, such as bonus game variables. The game dev is trying to make a slot in a volatility range. One that is worth playing, but one that can also pay out. This requires fine tuning when any slight change affects the RTP over those billions of spins. You will obviously know the difference between Starburst and any Book game.

You can go on horrendous runs. If you have been winning at all, it's because of 3 factors.

1. Luck. Always luck.

2. Betting strategy, including taking a bonus.

3. You know when you withdraw (and can without reversal)

You said you can afford the losses so don't worry about it. Just enjoy playing and trying. Try mixing up your slots a bit more. Don't always play super volatile games, don't always over-play a slot (I stick to 100 spins and move on, some do 50, some do 25. Some mix it up with the bet size). When the fun stops, stop.
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Yeah I’m just going through something that isn’t possible in rtp. I don’t expect you or anyone to understand because if anyone had experienced what I have the past 8 months they would have gone broke doing 20p spins. 
 

incase you don’t know I haven’t managed a withdrawal in 8 months on slots. I was playing most days but I’ve really slowed down now as today was my first in a week or so, i deposited 200, kept me playing for a few hours but same as the last 200ish deposits always ends at 0. I hope slots are banned for everyone’s sake. I strongly believe in fairness and slots are simply not. Btw I’ve been playing slots online for 8 years and i know something isn’t right. 

 
Try poker instead, it can be time consuming but you can stake fairly small and still win big every once in a while. 

It's still gambling but I find it less addictive and pretty relaxing...... Until you get dumped out by a rat on the river, then I find punching my wall relaxing 😁

 
Ele phante said:
Try poker instead, it can be time consuming but you can stake fairly small and still win big every once in a while. 

It's still gambling but I find it less addictive and pretty relaxing...... Until you get dumped out by a rat on the river, then I find punching my wall relaxing 😁
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Yeah I’ve played my fair share of poker it’s a great game, I’m a very experienced gambler but unfortunately I’ve spent a lot of time playing slots but that will soon end (apart from in casinos!!!) 

but without missing the point how is it possible to not turn a slight profit in so long. Don’t trust anything slots anymore and surely it will be exposed one day whatever might be happening. It’s getting boring just thinking about it haha.  And again never thought I would be here posting something like this but slots must really be a huge issue 

 
Alexs said:
Yeah I’ve played my fair share of poker it’s a great game, I’m a very experienced gambler but unfortunately I’ve spent a lot of time playing slots but that will soon end (apart from in casinos!!!) 

but without missing the point how is it possible to not turn a slight profit in so long. Don’t trust anything slots anymore and surely it will be exposed one day whatever might be happening. It’s getting boring just thinking about it haha.  And again never thought I would be here posting something like this but slots must really be a huge issue 
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Yeah I do have my suspicions about slots regarding the apparent rtp but I have absolutely no proof and still play lmao. 

I do far too often find that a new game will often play well and give lots of bonuses upon release but then it goes dead, especially Blueprint ie Goonies, Wish upon etc. 

I think its highly likely that certain gambling commissions are not quite as "pro gambler safety" as they make out as they seem to introduce lots of nonsensical rules which hinder the gambling experience and don't tackle the addiction itself but hey companies like UKGC need casinos to make a fortune so that they can justify their own proofing existence. 

 
It's funny you call into question the only regulatory body that limits they ways you, as a player, could be abused. 

Take away the UKGC and you won't be getting 95% average RTP.

I say this as someone who works in the casino industry - the UKGC is a big pain in the ass of the business I work in but it protects the players big time compared to other regulators - take it away and the player would be so fucked.

 
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dirtystack said:
It's funny you call into question the only regulatory body that limits they ways you, as a player, could be abused. 

Take away the UKGC and you won't be getting 95% average RTP.

I say this as someone who works in the casino industry - the UKGC is a big pain in the ass of the business I work in but it protects the players big time compared to other regulators - take it away and the player would be so fucked.
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The UKGC does not protect the player whatsoever, it took them over a decade to remove reverse withdrawals and they created the most rediculous £2 max spins in the bookies but allowed bookmakers to exploit this by adding a "gamble bar" which punters can spend dozens of "spins" within a short space of time without even getting a spin on the wheel.

They also brought into nonsense rules to stop allowing bonus buys because they are "too addictive" but £100 slot spins are OK? 

They justify their own existence and deserve no praise. 

 
It's like saying the police offer no protection because crime happens.

The UKGC puts together a plan to change the law in relation to how the bookie can operate (this takes time) the bookie says "ok, we will do that" and proceeds to actively find a loophole to get around the law. The UKGC has to reinvestigate and restart the proceess of making a new law to deal with the new issue(takes time), this chain of events repeats over and over.

They are constantly re-evaluating and trying to make change. Will you use the bonus  buy removal scenario you used to make a point, in relation to it still been possible to do £100 spins, when they reduce the maximum spin to £5 or some arbitrary number? 

They do protect the player, it is because of them we have to constantly carry out affordability checks, it is because of them we have to monitor every customer in the casino and make a continuous player profile noting any and all signs of problem gambling and action plans on how to conduct our interaction with that customer in a way that has they customers care in mind, it is because of the UKGC we have to actively stop people playing and have a welfare discussion with them after x amount of time - if there play is any kind of deviation from their normal play/betting volume/ - and react accordingly even if it means sending them home/blocking them from our casino/blocking them nationally/having them sign on SENSE, reducing the casinos revenue.

There is a hell of a lot of things we have to do because of the UKGC which casinos, as a business, would rather not do as it massively reduces profit.

I'm not saying they are perfect or that their attention is always in the right place at the right time.

You are completely ignorant as to, not only what the UKGC does but also, how regulations come to pass.

You have only opinion.

 
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dirtystack said:
It's like saying the police offer no protection because crime happens.

The UKGC puts together a plan to change the law in relation to how the bookie can operate (this takes time) the bookie says "ok, we will do that" and proceeds to actively find a loophole to get around the law. The UKGC has to reinvestigate and restart the proceess of making a new law to deal with the new issue(takes time), this chain of events repeats over and over.

They are constantly re-evaluating and trying to make change. Will you use the bonus  buy removal scenario you used to make a point, in relation to it still been possible to do £100 spins, when they reduce the maximum spin to £5 or some arbitrary number? 

They do protect the player, it is because of them we have to constantly carry out affordability checks, it is because of them we have to monitor every customer in the casino and make a continuous player profile noting any and all signs of problem gambling and action plans on how to conduct our interaction with that customer in a way that has they customers care in mind, it is because of the UKGC we have to actively stop people playing and have a welfare discussion with them after x amount of time - if there play is any kind of deviation from their normal play/betting volume/ - and react accordingly even if it means sending them home/blocking them from our casino/blocking them nationally/having them sign on SENSE, reducing the casinos revenue.

There is a hell of a lot of things we have to do because of the UKGC which casinos, as a business, would rather not do as it massively reduces profit.

I'm not saying they are perfect or that their attention is always in the right place at the right time.

You are completely ignorant as to, not only what the UKGC does but also, how regulations come to pass.

You have only opinion.
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"you have only opinion" 

Listen you arrogant mug, I'm not surprised to hear someone who works in the casino business defending how the casino businesses operate 

You use very selective "points" for your justification and ignore the negative points I made. 

As I said the UKGC are self serving scum much like many casinos and no one with your lack of intellect can convince me otherwise 👍

 
First of all: At no point did I defend how casinos operate. I gave examples as to how they operate - not once did I defend how they operate.

The UKGC is directly opposed to the casino industry. It is not possible for them to be any more against the casino industry.

If you speak to anyone who works in a casino they will tell you that the UKGC is a major pain in the ass from a business standpoint. There is no way I, as a casino employee, am in cahoots with the regulatory body that directly opposes the casinos.

You say my points were selective, well, I was typing a short reply and didn't realise I had to outline every single point that that can possibly be conveyed for you to get the message. 

I don't have the desire to type out the whole thousands of pages of UKGC regulation from the gambling act; I picked a few simple examples thinking it might open your eyes a bit.

I addressed your point about the betting terminals, the UKGC changed the min bet, they didn't anticipate the betting shops circumventing the new rules, they will revaluate and re-legislate, and guess what, once the gamble bar is address the bookies will find another way to circumvent it and this process will go on and on.

The  UKGC can make mistakes and have their focus in the wrong area at times, I said this already, but they do protect the player more then you know. I don't expect you to know all about it unless you actually work in the casino business which is why I tried to enlighten you somewhat. 

The UKGC is not on the casinos side. 

Now you have tried to imply that I have some kind of vested interest or that I am acting from a deceitful position with this comment:

Ele phante said:
I'm not surprised to hear someone who works in the casino business defending how the casino businesses operate 
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Again, nowhere did I defend the casino business in anyway. Please quote something I said "defending how the casino business operate"

The UKGC and casinos are separate, and quite opposing, entities. 

I'm not here to defend casinos or defend the UKGC - I'm just trying to give a bit of insight as to how the industry works, ways in which you may be affected unknowingly, things you may not have considered.

 
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First of all: At no point did I defend how casinos operate. I gave examples as to how they operate - not once did I defend how they operate.

The UKGC is directly opposed to the casino industry. It is not possible for them to be any more against the casino industry.

If you speak to anyone who works in a casino they will tell you that the UKGC is a major pain in the ass from a business standpoint. There is no way I, as a casino employee, am in cahoots with the regulatory body that directly opposes the casinos.

You say my points were selective, well, I was typing a short reply and didn't realise I had to outline every single point that that can possibly be conveyed for you to get the message. 

I don't have the desire to type out the whole thousands of pages of UKGC regulation from the gambling act; I picked a few simple examples thinking it might open your eyes a bit.

I addressed your point about the betting terminals, the UKGC changed the min bet, they didn't anticipate the betting shops circumventing the new rules, they will revaluate and re-legislate, and guess what, once the gamble bar is address the bookies will find another way to circumvent it and this process will go on and on.

The  UKGC can make mistakes and have their focus in the wrong area at times, I said this already, but they do protect the player more then you know. I don't expect you to know all about it unless you actually work in the casino business which is why I tried to enlighten you somewhat. 

The UKGC is not on the casinos side. 

Now you have tried to imply that I have some kind of vested interest or that I am acting from a deceitful position with this comment:

Again, nowhere did I defend the casino business in anyway. Please quote something I said "defending how the casino business operate"

The UKGC and casinos are separate, and quite opposing, entities. 

I'm not here to defend casinos or defend the UKGC - I'm just trying to give a bit of insight as to how the industry works, ways in which you may be affected unknowingly, things you may not have considered.
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Sorry I didn't have the time to read that novel, I'm sure it was interesting though. 

Remember the "wise words" 

"you have only opinion" 🤣🤣🤣

 
You read it and you are smarter now then you were prior; though that isn't really saying much.

 
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