Videoslots RTP scam or no???

FreeWheelerBaby said:
@Avidgamblerso it looks like my personal RTP has settled quite well for them then at 94% considering I am a UK player that seems about right! How do we know that personal RTP isn’t taken into account when playing if game RTP adjusts accordingly? The fact that they can adjust my RTP on free spins is just ridiculous because there is no lose spins at all..!
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Well I mean I don't know or have access to the actual numbers, I just calculated  an example of the volume you should have had based on your net loss and the stated avg RTP of 94 %. Those numbers seem pretty reasonable though and given that you have played fair amount of png and pragmatic lower RTP setting slots and assuming you have had quite a lot of volume the stated avg RTP also makes sense.   

 
Avidgambler said:
Well I mean I don't know or have access to the actual numbers, I just calculated  an example of the volume you should have had based on your net loss and the stated avg RTP of 94 %. Those numbers seem pretty reasonable though and given that you have played fair amount of png and pragmatic lower RTP setting slots and assuming you have had quite a lot of volume the stated avg RTP also makes sense.   
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@AvidgamblerYes but if you take away the Santa 15000% RTP I wonder if the 39% showing on my screen shots is the actual RTP because that figure only showed up after I had asked them why it is so high on Santa…! 

 
mosmagic said:
I don't think that is true. Every spin may be a independent spin but are based on a semi pre-determined outcome. That's where RTP comes in. RTP is a very loose term but dictates an outcome is governed by a set of perimeters IE: RTP = 96%. This doesn't mean it will pay exactly 96% all the time but that it will adjust the payout over time to pay close to that RTP figure. This RTP will adjust into positive and negative figures overall taking into account all input (deposits) and output (withdraws) to correct itself by the guidelines provided (RTP and other factors).

So the way I look at this a slot machine has to adjust to previous outcomes in order to know what the future outcome is don't you think? It has to know what exact figures have been to calculate what the next spins or 1000+ spins are to be. Positive or negative. Without a record of past spins how does it know what the next spin will be, a positive or negative to stay in accordance with RTP? How would it even know what RTP to give on any given spin unless it stayed at exactly the RTP every spin hence why past spins must affect the next spin.

Actually if you think about it the only random part is where gets paid or played nobody knows. That's the question mark?? Every dollar is the same to a slot machine or live game.
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@mosmagic is it the casino or the provider who can adjust the RTP? 

 
@mosmagic I admit, I can be a bit wordy and overly complex when I try to explain things. It is partly because I'm not a English native speaker :D  

However it is not just semantics and explaining it in other words. We actually disagree about the fundamental thing. Yes the game has its theoretical RTP, but again the game doesn't adjust to losses (or to wins for that matter). The game coding makes sure that in the long run it operates (gives out wins and losses) very very close to the stated RTP. 

(Apart from some jackpot games, where the jackpot resets) The game doesn't know or care about previous results. It could theoretically give you two maximum wins in a row. Or dish out huge wins to players left and right, in theory. But this is obviously highly highly unlikely. Usually when game pays for a longer time massively over it's stated RTP it is due to a malfunction.

The chances of getting two maximum wins from a slot in a row is astronomically high. Not impossible but very very unlikely. The game can have some spikes up and down but because how it operates (how it is coded) with enough volume it will get closer and closer to the stated RTP. 

Now your example is pretty extreme and it is highly highly unlikely such a huge win would happen upon 5 minute of the game release because on average the amount of spins to trigger such win would be really really really high (hundreds of millions minimum). On many games with much lower maximum wins it can take ages until the maximum win happens. But yes It could theoretically happen and game would continue to operate without any adjustment. 

 
FreeWheelerBaby said:
@AvidgamblerYes but if you take away the Santa 15000% RTP I wonder if the 39% showing on my screen shots is the actual RTP because that figure only showed up after I had asked them why it is so high on Santa…! 
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I don't now why the overall RTP has showed to jump between 39 % and 94 %, that is definitely very odd. I'm also not sure what formula Videoslots uses to calculate the players overall RTP but if they used the suggested way we speculated in this topic which is: total wins (of all games) divided by total amount gambled (in all games) then the smaller bet wins and losses have relatively small impact. 

Now I'm certain that 39 % couldn't even be your actual stated RTP since you have played there for 7 years and obviously have had quite a bit of volume. When playing 94-98 % RTP games for such a long time it would be borderline impossible to get such low avg RTP. Even 90 % RTP would be a very bad result in my opinion. For shorter period of time the RTPs can be sometimes minuscule though. But even for a shorter session the 39 % is pretty rough (can happen though). To have such low RTP for 7 years when the expected return is over 90 % is absurd. Only way I could even in theory see this happen is that if you played very very low amount of spins with very very high bets and just got extremely unlucky. 1000 spins with 200 pound bet with extremely cold run in a volatile game could explain your numbers and 39 % RTP but this is likely not the case. 

 
FreeWheelerBaby said:
@Avidgambleracually it makes perfect sense for them to give out free spins to bump up players RTP on a really low bet size its a win win for them. Does anyone know what tools @videoslots uses to monitor players RTP? 
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I'm sorry to say mate but this sounds a bit tinfoil to me. It makes perfect sense to give free spins absolutely yes, there are multiple reasons for this. It is in casinos interest to engage players, make them feel noticed, make them try new games, people granted free spins might get excited and make a deposit etc. After all the fee spins already made you log in so it is easier. The impact (if there is any) to players total RTP is completely secondary if not insignificant from the casinos point of view. Keep in mind that many of the recreational players don't even know what RTP is yet alone care about it. 

 
Avidgambler said:
I'm sorry to say mate but this sounds a bit tinfoil to me. It makes perfect sense to give free spins absolutely yes, there are multiple reasons for this. It is in casinos interest to engage players, make them feel noticed, make them try new games, people granted free spins might get excited and make a deposit etc. After all the fee spins already made you log in so it is easier. The impact (if there is any) to players total RTP is completely secondary if not insignificant from the casinos point of view. Keep in mind that many of the recreational players don't even know what RTP is yet alone care about it. 
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@Avidgamblerwhen they get back to me about it, I am going to ask what my RTP was before playing Santa, I just need to know and also how being a UK player affects my play onsite. 
 

@Avidgamblermaybe it is a bit tin foil but I need to ask them for my own sanity and also ask @PragmaticPlay about how me playing with them affects my wins compared to none UK players, is it just videoslots of all casinos..!

 
Quick update in response to email from them on 2nd feb saying operations team would get back to me @Videoslots reply! I still have not had one!

 
So I finally got a response from @Team.Videoslots, I am not happy to say the least would be gobsmacked they have not mentioned the drastic dip in RTP and this does not match up can anyone please make sense of this. Is it the same for UK players then? 

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So hey guys here I am back to shut up with all the complaining because I actually hit a max win on fruit party sister site to @team.videoslots Mr Vegas. It is possible I was gobsmacked because it just spun in single spin no bonus I did not record my win it was just stars everywhere. Finally a decent win after all these years  my biggest x win, small stakes but I got it, so I finally believe there is no bias against UK players :)  Good stuff pragmatic my jaw hit the actual floor

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Quick update on Videoslots, I emailed them last month as still waiting for update from a year ago about what happened to RTP. They emailed me back saying they are still working on it lol. Anyway I am going to email them today and follow complaints procedure, one way or another I am going to get to the bottom of it. That 94% RTP has been same since I joined the site 8 years ago it literally doesn't move. 

 
Hi, you bet! The video slots review team has concluded that this is a legit operator. The casino is regulated and holds a valid license from renowned bodies.

 
I played on VS for about 5 years never won big, since I move to Pokerstars Grosvenor casinos I am up and I get regular offers, 

 
I can say one thing Videoslots is not a scam website but they do have low rtps in a lot of slots. They always pay out winnings. Hm there is a chance to get a wheel of jackpot playing any slots as well. 

 
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