This topic and discussion is open to all re Gambling addition and how we as a community can help

Well, the money will be lost any how if you're gambling. By signing up to streamers links instead of casinos directly we support the casino streaming community as well as getting extra offers like raffles etc. 

With that said, I'm pro rev share.

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Ive only been streaming for a couple of months now, but being on Net Rev i believe is better for all parties. If you have a CPA deal only, streamers would need to get as many sign ups as poss. When you, as a player/customer, have signed up, then actually the streamer doesn't have any reason to help out in case of any problems his/her player/customer has/have. On Net Rev it's a bit diff. as you really would like your players/customers remain happy with whatever site they're affiliated with. That's prob. the main reason I think Net Rev is better.

With regards to Gambleaware, im not a professional on the issue. The only thing I can do as a streamer, is listen and point you in the right direction, to get some help.

 
Supersmask thanks for ur take on this issue i agree i feel cpa is better way to go but whilst rev share is very lucrative streamers will not want to go that way mate 

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
Supersmask thanks for ur take on this issue i agree i feel cpa is better way to go but whilst rev share is very lucrative streamers will not want to go that way mate 
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Either way, commission flows into the pocket of the affiliate.

With a CPA only deal an affiliate can refer people to dodgy casinos and they wouldn't care because the money is in their pocket and no  further money will be incoming.

With a Rev Share deal it is in the interest of the affiliate to refer a player to a casino that looks after the player so that the player continues to play rather than pisses off elsewhere because of the crap experience.

All of this applies for responsible gamblers who can control their gambling and that is the majority of people playing at casinos.

 
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Slotplayer your view got some merit but were the issue then is the streamer wants you to lose coz then he or she makes money cpa is a one off sign up you get ur commission and thats it its REV Share thats gone and make the BANDIT look bad his 120k profit so he can wipe out his 90K losses on the back of others loses is wrong 

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
Slotplayer your view got some merit but were the issue then is the streamer wants you to lose coz then he or she makes money cpa is a one off sign up you get ur commission and thats it its REV Share thats gone and make the BANDIT look bad his 120k profit so he can wipe out his 90K losses on the back of others loses is wrong 
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Once I have referred the player to a casino, I can't make him deposit more.

Responsible gamblers accept that once they make a deposit they should consider it lost. All that Rev Share does is that this money that is accepted as lost by the gambler is shared between the affiliate and the casino rather than it 100% going into the casinos pocket.

 
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point taken but still show Rev Share is not right to earn of other players losses is not right until someone show me that Rev share is fair then i am going to have issue with it 

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
point taken but still show Rev Share is not right to earn of other players losses is not right until someone show me that Rev share is fair then i am going to have issue with it 
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Rev Share (and CPA for that matter) is not right if you are to send a gambler to a casino under false pretence.

No legitimate streamer tells their audience that they can make a profit playing slots. All of them go out of their way to make this clear.

The gambler was fully prepared to have losses when he played at the casino. The money should all be forgotten about. If you don't like the experience of losing money or you don't have the funds for it, then it is time to give up gambling. The affiliate will then stop taking commission.

Ask the majority of gamblers and they couldn't care less that an affiliate takes a slice of the money that they were fully prepared to lose.

And then you always have to choice not to click the link of course. It is pretty simple if you ask me. 

 
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slotplayer bring this to our chat live tonight lets see what other think as i said i will not allow the chat to get out of hand it has to be a moderated chat with views on both sides

 
I want to use Leovegas as an example througout this post. I myself have nothing against Leovegas, nor any their affiliates. Its plain simple just the casino I have the most experience at myself (Therefor the easiest for me to form a post) 

First off all, a casino is a business. Their number one goal is to have you throw as much money at a casino as possible, for them to make as much money as possible. This business involves a-ton of money wich they tend to use for advertisment (To have people to remember their name, to get them to their site, etc)

A casino is intended for entertainment. There is never a guarantee given that you are going to go out of a casina as a "winner". What I like to think when i do my deposits, is that theese 50quids is foreverlost. Just as if you where to be going out for some drinks. 

Leovegas, Rizk, amongst others have very good options for making you stop at the right times. You just have to enable them yourself, and stick to the limits you have set. A casino is not your mother, and is never going to tell you to stop playing. This might seem harsh, but its the hard truth.

Most streamers that i find legit to watch, takes gamble responsibility really seriously. Often they have links to various helpsites, and also informative text etc. And they often encourage to save some of the bigwins that the viewers talk about, or share in forms of images or video for later times.

Alot of people are having a bad time related to gaming, but i dont find it the streamers responsibility to filter out theese people and help them. The streamers is just for entertainment. You have to be able to choose for yourself if its healthy to watch. When you are legally old enough to open accounts on the casinos, you are legal wise stated as old enough to make your own decisions in life. 

If you have paying attention watching lets say "LetsGiveItASpin" you know these guys also go on super cold streaks, and there can be far from each cashout. He do not deny this, or fake it by any measure if things go south.

I would like to state that everyone on this forum as far as i have seen is supportive for people that are open about their problems, there is even an "responsible gaming" underforum where you can litteraly go out and ask for help. I myself think that Casinogrounds, related caso sites and streamers do their outmost best to help people.

More measures can always be taken,  but its just out of their controll over the ones taken IMO.

 
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The tools are already in place for people who have problems same as all over addictions, not everyone is gonna give it up its the nature of addiction itself sounds harsh but that's the reality of the situation.

 
could well be right GEE but if you tube can feed them a way to gamble then why cant you tube be a place for people to hit hat lose button and join a live stream and talk to others and maybe just maybe there not gamble right there and then 

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
could well be right GEE but if you tube can feed them a way to gamble then why cant you tube be a place for people to hit hat lose button and join a live stream and talk to others and maybe just maybe there not gamble right there and then 
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its no different to seeing beers adverts on TV on sport etc what about someone who's an alcoholic and sees that non stop its no different you cant moddy coddle the internet, you can search on youtube people drinking beers people downing pints of vodka whiskey etc.

this issue seems to be close to you so i understand and dont mock it but sadly unless people are able to break the cycle and get help they are going to gamble regardless streams or not youtube or not.

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
could well be right GEE but if you tube can feed them a way to gamble then why cant you tube be a place for people to hit hat lose button and join a live stream and talk to others and maybe just maybe there not gamble right there and then 
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Well a live slot stream is not the right medium to discuss that for the following reasons:

(1) A problem gambler should really not be watching any gambling related material on Youtube

(2) The streamer is not able to reply. You did a live stream yourself and I noticed you were struggling to keep up with chat and you only had 20 viewers at the most. Can you imagine running a stream with hundreds of viewers?

(3) Even if you don't want the streamer to participate, you are going to have people that want to watch slots getting pissed off reading about what is to them irrelevant stuff and then the chaos ensues in the chat room.

 
Slotplayer this was my first stream live and as i show i was having major issue with audio i am no full time streamer just working with the equipment i have and trying to bring people together and i think i did that chat was always going to be busy first time out but having rocknroller there show he was interested enough to come along without being asked too 

 
EverythingSportsPro said:
Slotplayer this was my first stream live and as i show i was having major issue with audio i am no full time streamer just working with the equipment i have and trying to bring people together and i think i did that chat was always going to be busy first time out but having rocknroller there show he was interested enough to come along without being asked too 
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It wasn't meant as a criticism. You did very well for your first stream.

What I was attempting to make clear was that running a stream is not as easy as people make it out to be. Keeping up with chat is not easy the best of times, even after having had extensive streaming experience.

 
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