Play and go rigged?
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slotsofun
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Well, to me they are the same thing, if something is set up to benefit another it has been rigged. Regardless if it is mathematically or not.
The Reel Story
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Sure, it's semantics. Rigged implies that the software is actively working against you. Keeping an eye on what you do and making sure you don't win by giving you specific results. Which, of course, isn't the case, so I just prefer that term isn't used as it spreads confusion.
Certainly though, the odds are against you.
Certainly though, the odds are against you.
apudekikker
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Play'N'Go is confirmed rigged, casinos can lower the RTP on their games and they go into 'collect mode' after paying out a big win, NEVER play their scam games.
The Reel Story
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*sigh*.
No they're not. If they were 'confirmed' rigged they wouldn't be available anymore and play n go would be out of business.
They do not go 'in to collect mode'. No games in a regulated market do. They don't need to and it's illegal to do so.
Casinos cannot change the rtp on the games. Play n go offer multiple rtp versions of their games and the casino can choose the one they put live. Once it is live, they would have to go through some regulatory hoops to change it to a different version, and the rtp would still be displayed in the help file at the correct value.
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Oriane
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What if u can not see the rtp of the slot and when u ask in live chat for they dont want to tell you that either ?cos this is my experience with cresus casino and lucky8 casino too.as im located in france that only casinos with few descent providers so i have to relay on them.but pay out here are also really bad had no descent win yet onany this sites and trust me i do shit loads of spins on each slots especially playngo and to get a bonus is a hard work and to get a bonus that pay like 100x is like for mostof the players hitting 5000x
dirtystack
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I feel playngo is rigged.
Mind you I lost £8000 at 90% £2 bets, the rest £5, in a week - 5 or 6 Gargas 200x was the highest, the next highest was around 80x
There is a conflict between my head, with its thoughts, and my gut, with its feels.
Usually my head gets me in trouble whereas if I had just listened to my gut I would have avoided a lot of hassle - I will will avoid playngo as best I can.
Mind you I lost £8000 at 90% £2 bets, the rest £5, in a week - 5 or 6 Gargas 200x was the highest, the next highest was around 80x
There is a conflict between my head, with its thoughts, and my gut, with its feels.
Usually my head gets me in trouble whereas if I had just listened to my gut I would have avoided a lot of hassle - I will will avoid playngo as best I can.
OnAirJannick
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I was incredible unlucky on Moon princess these days as well... would never say anything is rigged but on play n' go it feels like there are times where games like Rise of Merlin, BoD, Garga etc are just dead. I should just stick to Blackjack, slots are just not good to me ?
dirtystack
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When I’m in tin hat mode and feel like they are dead, i’ll Look everywhere for streamer wins and forum posts of big wins in the same timeframe - when they are cold, they are cold for everyone.
They were dead for a couple weeks.
Confirmation of confirmation bias.
They were dead for a couple weeks.
Confirmation of confirmation bias.
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dirtystack
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You are saying things like its fact when you are at best exaggerating and at worst, lying.chiefemptybottle said:
You say they "Always make it below or just above in a "tease" setup"
They don't "always" do that, there are plenty of times you hit 2 scatters without another in sight.
You say the majority of casinos lie about the RTP but you have no evidence of this, you cite one casino without proof and expand that implicate that majority.
Everything you are saying is baseless, much like the comments I made but at least I acknowledge they are coming from feelings rather then any knowledge.
I'm all for investigating, calculating and finding out if something is wrong but jumping in with something objectively wrong, stating that something always happens when it doesn't always happen, causes whatever you you then go on to say be written off.
Think about it, you are saying there is a Random number generated - all well and good, so we have a random number, you are then saying filters are applied to that random number and the randomness is destroyed - how can a random number can be filtered down to a non random number? Senseless.
Also please provide a link to the 2+2 thread so I can see the famous comment. I cant seem to find it.
The Stones cheating scandal is pretty interesting though.
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dirtystack
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I never said I trust them, I'm just pointing out that I don't trust some random guy that starts his argument with a lie then goes on to quote numbers - which he provides no source of, and a 2+2 thread that possibly doesn't exist.chiefemptybottle said:
Link the thread you are gleaning all this information from.
Also, don't try to imply that you know my mind and make out you know how I feel and what I think.
Trying to imply that my lack of belief in your reasoning ability somehow validates your argument and puts me in opposition to the consumer, and on the side of the producer, jeez, flat earth much?
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The Reel Story
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The only thing that must be accurate is the symbols displayed. Symbols above and below the winning area can be whatever the game developer wants. Some providers are lazy and just randomize the symbols above and below the winning area, meaning you often see scatters there, even though they would never hit. It's annoying, but not rigged and not illegal.chiefemptybottle said:
It's also very common for games to change reel sets when moving to a bonus round, so you will indeed see different quantities of symbols (see my threads about Danger! High Voltage and Lil' Devil). Again, this is standard and not illegal. It's also still random.
So no, games do not 'actively' work against you. They passively do by virtue of their math models and their reel setups.
Casino's in regulated markets do not lie about the real RTP. In fact, they can't. They have to report real RTP vs TRTP and if there is a divergence the game and casino gets investigated by the UKGC. If you believe there is a Casino that is breaking the law here, report them to the UKGC with your evidence and they will be investigated and lose their license.
As I wrote above, the Casino can NOT decide what RTP they want to set for Play N Go games. Play N Go produce multiple RTP versions of their games (so they might do a 92%, 94% and 96% version), the casino then chooses the one they buy. Once bought and placed on the site, the RTP must be displayed and reported on as above. They cannot change to another RTP version without going through testing and regulatory approval.
Semantics: The branch of linguistics related to the meaning of words. Your meaning of 'Rigged' differed to my meaning of 'Rigged', therefore, Semantics. Casino's are not 'deliberately' fixed. They rely on the maths and odds of games to return them a specific margin. Some months a game will lose money, some months it will make money. Overall, it makes money because of statistics.
Of course it's random and it's independently tested and accredited to be so. Just because you transform a random number into a specific range to suit the game you need (I.E, into a stop position on a reel with 150 symbols) does not make it any less random.
dirtystack
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Leave it, he can't even provide a link to the discussion on 2+2 with all the information he claims, implying a group community effort, to have analysed.
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apudekikker
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The difference between 98% and 96% is HUGE, it literally halves your playtime. How?
98% RTP = 2% house edge
96% RTP = 4% house edge
It's literally a difference of 50%
Over how many spins is the point? You won't see it after 100 spins is what I am saying. Over billions and billions of spins that will be the RTP, doesn't really make the game play much different.
apudekikker
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It makes a disgustingly big difference.
Assuming you have €100, and spin at €1, you will be able to do on AVERAGE 4951 spins at 98% RTP before the balance reaches 0.
On 96% RTP this average totals to 2476 spins.
You clearly have no idea how RTP works, no offense, but the 'billions of spins' only applies to accurately calculating the average, it does NOT mean that you will only see a difference after a billion spins. Attached is a chart for your convenience.
Again, on average starting with 100x stake balance:
98% RTP = 4951 spins
96% RTP = 2476 spins
You don't need a billion spins to feel that difference bro. Pay attention to RTP.
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What a load of absolute nonsense. No game will be close to its RTP after that many spins.
I'll give you my videoslots screens as an example of this.
During those spins you mention you could hit a huge win at any point rendering anything above completely meaningless. This is what you have left out. Winning spins are not taken into account in your calculation. Remember it's based on RNG. The percentages vary massively but overall the game is designed, eventually, to reach its RTP. It might give 700% to one player and 10% to another.
apudekikker
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