LeoVegas lowered some Play’n Go RTP today

I'm pissed about this, I was asked the question around 1 year ago and I said I really don't like it and I've personally tried to fight it since. 

The counter argument is though, do players care? Unfortunately on the casinos that have had lower RTP for a long time none seem to care, the turnover is still the same, the only thing that goes up is the casino profit. If our community was big enough to have a significant impact on the numbers, I'm certain the RTP would be raised again. I personally will try and avoid the lower RTP providers and hope it has some effect but others would have to do the same.

Some streamers have said for years that RTP doesn't matter and sure enough, if you take a deposit bonus on EVERY deposit, the effect from the RTP is less significant, hence it doesn't matter for them but it will matter for the players.

Something I'd also like to raise is WHY are two machines allowed to look the EXACT same way and have a different RTP? Why don't regulators force an I.E 96% RTP Book of Dead to have the name "Book of Dead 96", a 94% have the name "Book of Dead 94" and the 88% "Book of Dead 88". I also believe that the regulators should FORCE providers to write out the RTP on the splash screen when you enter the game.

 
So was an announcement to all of their players made regarding this, or was it done undercover in the hope that nobody would notice?

 
I mean as a business model why not lower it, its sad for the players only, like casinos doenst have enough profits, shady stuffl ike this now im talking generally not about only LeoVegas, is reason Swedne , UK market and soon others will be permanently shutdown, maybe it was time for it, to end this online casino industry :D

 
Same on Royal Panda, which was my favorite casino in 2020. :(

Oh well, their loss. I guess I'll mostly play on Betsson Group sites now.

 
Slotplayer said:
So was an announcement to all of their players made regarding this, or was it done undercover in the hope that nobody would notice?
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Obviously heard nothing from them!  The CS has also changed. They won`t tell anything. Like why they remove certain providers and if they will add others. That is - if they bother answering. I played there since late 2016 every month basically and is not treated very nice when I compare tp Pokerstars, Videoslots etc

 
Money talks, as a Swede i have No reason or interest in playing slots that pay worse Than they can do, like playing raw all the Time isnt expensive enought, well it starts with play&go soon i Guess all the Prags and redtigers are set in the low rtp aswell, just a matter of Time,sad

 
Just to show the difference on a small size how this affects even in the short term. 
Start : 5000 NOK raw

game : Book of dead(94.2%) 

betsize : 5kr 

total amount of spins : 3897

bonuses : 11 

best win : 58x 

Can send over data history from Leovegas casino history if anyone wants to look. 
 

Basically went from a 1/170 bonus to 1/360 and bonus is now Even worse

 
Leo vegas says all casinos will do the same.???                                                       "The game return percentage will gradually updated at all casinos"

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olempiaps said:
Just to show the difference on a small size how this affects even in the short term. 
Start : 5000 NOK raw

game : Book of dead(94.2%) 

betsize : 5kr 

total amount of spins : 3897

bonuses : 11 

best win : 58x 

Can send over data history from Leovegas casino history if anyone wants to look. 
 

Basically went from a 1/170 bonus to 1/360 and bonus is now Even worse
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What was the end balance from this 5000NOK

 
dirtystack said:
What was the end balance from this 5000NOK
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0 NOK. All eaten. 

Jeroen83 said:
The RTP is spread out over a million of spins. Not your avg session. But yes lowering RTP can affect the amount of bonusses dropped, the amount of wins you get, Ive seen worse really.

Updated games that lost their way of playing; pragmatic is one of those providers that initially sets new games to a favourable RTP and once that is saturated the RTP is dropped in favor of new (promotional) games. And so the circus of screwing of players on the long term continues.
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Hence i stated a small sample. I’m well aware this could be «bad luck». However playNGo have never felt the same after 2018/2019. 

 
olempiaps said:
0 NOK. All eaten. 

Hence i stated a small sample. I’m well aware this could be «bad luck». However playNGo have never felt the same after 2018/2019. 
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I have had the same feeling. When they did the "upgrade" a year after they released Book of Dead everything felt different. Playngo is a dirty company in my opinion.... The saviour of fake casinos.. haha

 
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Soon the same RTP landbased & online... Just much higher operation costs in landbased casinos.

The industry has only gone one way... DOWN 

I will never play on slots with lower RTP than 95 % RTP. If the other providers do the same as Playngo, Pragmatic, Nolimitcity, Redtiger. I will soon quit gambling for good! Period!

Redtiger is only playable on 2-3 casinos because most of the casinos offer RTP of 92,50%.. Love their games but I have only played them on three ocations last year because of it...

 
olempiaps said:
0 NOK. All eaten. 
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Well that sucks.

When the house lowers the RTP it increases the house advantage. In this case the house advantage has gone from 3.4% to 5.5% which, to simplify we will say is an increase of 50% (it is slightly over), means that you will lose 1.5 times what you would have expected to lose previously. Over time, for every £100 you would have lost previously you will now lose £150, for every £1000 you will now lose £1500 etc etc.

Having said that your little session does not really mean anything and is not proof of anything. You need a lot more spins then 3897 to prove, display or notice a trend.

If you were to analyse this session of 3897 spins it wouldn't indicate anything about the RTP that you think it does. 3897 spins at 5 KR with a result of -5000Nok means that you had a RTP of 74.44% for that session. The number of spins is just too tiny for any kind of statement about the 94.5% RTP as, if you were to use them to calculate the RTP, they will give you a result that is completely different then the 94.5% rtp.

I did 20 000 spins on reactoonz last year that I kept track of and in those spins I hit 4 Garga and my RTP was +/- 40%. This was on the 96.5% version. I can't then post my resluts and say that they have lowed the bonus frequency to 1 in 5000.

Does RTP even affect the bonus frequency? I doubt it. Book of Deads bonus frequency is in 177 spins. They don't need to change the bonus frequency when they can just make you hit one less 3 of a kind every xxx spins.

 
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I suggest that you move to another casino, when a big casino does a move like that its time to go.
If you don't move they will just keep lowering the RTP, if the RTP wasn't bad from the start.

PlaynGo slots have not been the same since end of 2018, when big streamers started playing reactoonz and book on stream and won big over and over, got normal players to start doing the same and then suddenly they nerfed everything that they could.

 
It was hard to sin before, now its not possible. I Close My account om every casino that lower THE rtp. Nowdays i never play in casino anymore. 

 
Anders said:
It was hard to sin before, now its not possible. I Close My account om every casino that lower THE rtp. Nowdays i never play in casino anymore. 
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I have closed over 100 casino accounts last two years. All the casinos that have lowered the RTP has been permanently closed. I currently have 10 casinos left. If they do the same they will be closed aswell. 🙂 

 
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