Kim, on extra chilli gambles

[tommy2u2me]

I rarely gamble on the wheel.

If it comes 8 spins then i take it.

After i have a few crap bonuses in a row then i gamble, But never past 16 there is no point.

If it is going to pay then it will regardless of amount of free spins.

Please dont get me wrong i would take 24 over 8 spins any day, But to gamble on 16 spins i must be winning for the day. 

You said to gamble on 16 you must be winning on the day. If that is the case, you should never gamble 12 to try and get 16. You lose 12 spins or get an extra 4.... So why gamble 12 to get 16? You can't lose the gamble on 16 spins, you get 8 if you lose. Collect 12 or gamble to 20.

 

[tommy2u2me]

That's not how it works though. You never play to RTP based on 1 game. Odds per spin could be 0, it could be 30000%. True RTP is only assessed over millions or billions of spins. Even then it's an average. 

The big problem is still for me with the wheel gamble. I feel it is a absolutely misleading to suggest that simple odds such as 50/50 or 60/40. In reality we all know these are not the true odds based on the mathematical model and makeup of the slot. I think it hard to provide any actual published odds for the wheel. So the point remains that I feel it's massively misleading. This game has ripped me to pieces in the past. The gamble from 12 to 16 is the hardest one imo. Because when you reach 16 you are guaranteed at least 8 spins(and likely some kind of win even if smaller than your bet). Therefore if it was a losing spin the slot will not let you get to 16. This is where things get confusing with RNG. How can an RNG operate when it's possible to just collect 8 spins to get something when the slot wanted to pay zero by expecting you to gamble the wheel. I'm sure there is an algorithm somewhere to level it out.

The RNG doesn't decide what to pay out based on what players collect in spins on the bonus. The RNG decides what 8 spins should pay, the same way it decides what 24 spins will pay. As long as there is lots of people that gamble the Extra Chilli bonus (which there always will be) then 8 or 12 spins will always be worth taking unless you plan to gamble to 20/ NOT 16. Taking 16 spins is a -EV decision. Risk 12 to win 4 and collect even though to gamble 16 is guaranteed to pay 8 spins even after losing.

 

[SweFjorod]

Ok, lets say you buy 100 bonuses (all 100 start with 8 spins for this math), you never collect but you gamble them all to 24.

First gamble 50 bonuses will be lost, 50 bonuses will continue on 12 spins (50/50) 50% bonuses lost.

Second gamble 20 bonuses will be lost and 30 bonuses will be continue on 16 spins (60/40) 70% bonuses lost.

Third gamble 12 bonuses will be lost and 18 bonuses will continue on 20 spins (60/40) 82% bonuses lost.

Fourth gamble 7,2 bonuses will be lost and 11,8 bonuses will continue on 24 spins (60/40) 89.2% bonuses lost.

So to gamble 8 spins to 24 spins you have 11.8% chanse of making it when first gamble is 50% and the rest is 60%

So to gamble 8 spins to 20 spins you have 18% chanse of making it.

So to gamble 8 spins to 16 spins you have 30% chanse of making it.

And finally to gamble 8 spins to 12 spins you have 50% chanse of making it.

So yeah, they don't need to rig the wheel, by pure math, those who allways tries to gamble to 20 or 24 spins, 82%+ of those bonuses pay ZERO as they have lost the bonus wheel.

 

[SweFjorod]

Well, my last statement is wrong, because if you loose when you gamble from 16+ you actually still get spins, so it's not zero

 

[asmeister]

The visual representation must follow the math, it's a requirement to acquire a license and pass the tests of the slot, otherwise it would be misleading for a player.

This  (or the posts afterwards suggesting the same thing) cannot be true, because if the visual representation would be accurate in slot games people would be hitting on average, the mega fortune jackpot at a 1/144 rate, mega moolah mega jackpot at a 1/20 rate, or the mega moolah major jackpot at a 3/20 rate. 

Again, not suggesting that BTG is over- or underrepresenting the odds through graphics, but the graphics do not seem to be proof of it.

 

[SweFjorod]

Ok, let's remake that calculation as I forgot that you actually get freespins if you gamble on higher spins.

If you buy 100 freespins and all start at 8 spins.

From 8->12 (50/50) 50% of bonuses lost 50 left.

From 12->16 (60/40) 40% of bonuses lost (70% of total bonuses lost) 30 left.

From 16->20 (60/40) 40% of bonuses will be 8 spins (70% of bonuses lost, 12 will be 8 spins), 18 left.

From 20->24 (60/40) 40% of bonuses will be 12 spins (70% of bonuses lost, 12 will be at 8 spins, 7,2 will be at 12 spins), 10,8 will be at 24 spins.

So if you gamble all you bonuses 70% of them will be lost with no win what so ever if you start at 8 spins with the gamble.

The 30% that will be a bonus it's 12% at 8 spins, 7,2% at 12 spins and 10,8% at 24 spins if you allways gamble all the way to 24,.

If you always stop at 20 spins then it's 18% that of your freespins will be at 20 spins, and previous % is the same.