ban online casino streamers

RyanMcSplooger said:
I fail to see how this guy is a troll when we are on a pro streamer forum and he has the support of a number of people. Take a look around on some of the comments of these videos and realise he's not alone in his thoughts.

The only ones who actually agree with you are pro streamers who are actually the minority. The general public wouldn't agree with addicts promoting casinos and they would not agree with people making money off others (gambling addicts) losses in such a non transparent way. 

A failure to understand who actually watches these videos is your downfall. It's a big circle of addicts. These videos are porn for gambling addicts and the makers want you to lose as much as possible if they are on a rev share based business model. 
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How insulting calling all viewers of stream addicts. Have you done research on this or is it just an assumption.

 
TommyBhoy said:
@RyanMcSplooger hit the nail on the head, how can anybody that gambles everyday not be described as an addict.  I include streamers in this.
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Not sure if you are aware but their was a campaign against streamers on YouTube by myself and a handful of others. I had lots of support for this cause but was also on the receiving end of death threats because of my opinions. I had to remove my videos because my family were getting them too as people were searching for me via social media and trying to find out my personal information. 

This is all because I disagreed with their practices and because I wanted to protect the vulnerable. We are seen as the bad guys in this community which is laughable. All you will get here and on streams are the streamers refusing to accept any responsibility, blaming others and giving some excuse along the lines of no one is forcing you to watch etc. 

The compulsive gambler is going to be the one watching these streams. I have seen people actually tell problem gamblers to come to this site to share their views too. This site being an affiliate site with a sole purpose to extract further money from the vulnerable. 

The streamers by large are addicts who fund their addiction through addicts loss. If you're searching and watching this content then chances are you already have a problem. Some use the streams as a form of therapy to stop gambling but as long as they watch, the temptation will always be there, not that anyone cares.

 
Slotplayer said:
How insulting calling all viewers of stream addicts. Have you done research on this or is it just an assumption.
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I fail to see how it's insulting considering the content by your own admission must be searched for to view. You say that people must take responsibility for their own actions because they actively seek this content so you can't have it both ways. The people who just stumble upon such content  are the minority.

Who is sitting on streams for multiple hours, lining the pockets of streamers other than those who have an unhealthy obsession with slots? Have you frequented these streams? The stories of people losing it all are common, stories of addiction past and present are rife too. 

Streamers and their fans intimidate those who oppose them. When you threaten to take away their income through campaigning you will see the real side of them. 

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
Not sure if you are aware but their was a campaign against streamers on YouTube by myself and a handful of others. I had lots of support for this cause but was also on the receiving end of death threats because of my opinions. I had to remove my videos because my family were getting them too as people were searching for me via social media and trying to find out my personal information. 

This is all because I disagreed with their practices and because I wanted to protect the vulnerable. We are seen as the bad guys in this community which is laughable. All you will get here and on streams are the streamers refusing to accept any responsibility, blaming others and giving some excuse along the lines of no one is forcing you to watch etc. 

The compulsive gambler is going to be the one watching these streams. I have seen people actually tell problem gamblers to come to this site to share their views too. This site being an affiliate site with a sole purpose to extract further money from the vulnerable. 

The streamers by large are addicts who fund their addiction through addicts loss. If you're searching and watching this content then chances are you already have a problem. Some use the streams as a form of therapy to stop gambling but as long as they watch, the temptation will always be there, not that anyone cares.
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For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
I fail to see how it's insulting considering the content by your own admission must be searched for to view. You say that people must take responsibility for their own actions because they actively seek this content so you can't have it both ways. The people who just stumble upon such content  are the minority.

Who is sitting on streams for multiple hours, lining the pockets of streamers other than those who have an unhealthy obsession with slots? Have you frequented these streams? The stories of people losing it all are common, stories of addiction past and present are rife too. 

Streamers and their fans intimidate those who oppose them. When you threaten to take away their income through campaigning you will see the real side of them. 
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That doesn't make them an addict. I watch streams but don't consider myself a gambling addict.

 
Slotplayer said:
For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.
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I don't agree with that either. However, I see the people who are fighting against the streamers to be of better morals than those who support them. That's because by their very nature they are trying to stop compulsive gamblers watching and depositing again. 

I don't even know why there's an argument. The people against streamers are the good guys. How on earth can we be made out to be some kind of troll/internet villain when we are trying to stop compulsive gamblers viewing such content and getting lured in again. It's laughable really.

 
Slotplayer said:
For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.
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you go onto nickslots channel and say streamers should be banned and you will get called far worse than that by the legion of morons that follow him like sheep

 
Slotplayer said:
That doesn't make them an addict. I watch streams but don't consider myself a gambling addict.
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You've always refused to accept that the demographics of the viewers are largely gambling addicts. You wriggle out of it by saying there's no proof. It's obvious to anyone that doesn't stream or has a direct association that it's the case. Study your audience if you stream, look at how many depositing players go on to self exclude. Look at how many deposit time and time again in the same day. Not one person has done this despite data being available to affiliates.

You must not forget that addiction is measure in time consumed in an activity too. Someone who watches these streams and gambles in any form and is watching for 5 hours a day and hop from stream to stream getting their viewing fix is an addict too.

 
TommyBhoy said:
@Freddy from the hood so u agree with slotspinners comment?

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.
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What a moronic statement that was. If the player won every time there would be no money to share around. The only time this would happen is if the affiliate was strictly CPA which is very rare these days. The casino wouldn't want to be associated with such an affiliate either.

He must think we are all stupid.

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
I don't agree with that either. However, I see the people who are fighting against the streamers to be of better morals than those who support them. That's because by their very nature they are trying to stop compulsive gamblers watching and depositing again. 

I don't even know why there's an argument. The people against streamers are the good guys. How on earth can we be made out to be some kind of troll/internet villain when we are trying to stop compulsive gamblers viewing such content and getting lured in again. It's laughable really.
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What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.

 
Slotplayer said:
What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.
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Banning is not the answer only if you're a streamer. Banning these streams would potentially save people hundreds of thousands, would save fall outs at home and may even save lives if you think of how many go on to commit suicide.

Pros and cons my friend.

Before you start on the old "gambling addicts will always find a way". Well I'm sure that's true a lot of the time. Putting such content in front of them luring then to gable again though is extremely unhealthy. 

I don't believe streams cause addiction to those with no interest but because of the big stakes and the community obsessed with big wins it can definitely turn a normal gambler in to an addict and it does zero for the already gambling addict.

 
RyanMcSplooger said:
You've always refused to accept that the demographics of the viewers are largely gambling addicts. You wriggle out of it by saying there's no proof. It's obvious to anyone that doesn't stream or has a direct association that it's the case. Study your audience if you stream, look at how many depositing players go on to self exclude. Look at how many deposit time and time again in the same day. Not one person has done this despite data being available to affiliates.

You must not forget that addiction is measure in time consumed in an activity too. Someone who watches these streams and gambles in any form and is watching for 5 hours a day and hop from stream to stream getting their viewing fix is an addict too.
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gambling addiction: an urge to gamble continuously despite harmful  negative consequences or a desire to stop

Your definition is different but I rather stick to the official one.

A person that can control their gambling but watches streams for hours a day is not a gambling addict.

 
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Slotplayer said:
What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.
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The streams do more bad than good,  there must be a high percentage of viewers who have issues with gambling.  The chats are full of people talking about how they self excluded.

Say for example a gambling addict has been watching your stream for a while and is self excluded at all the casinos u play at.  Then one day out the blue you start playing at a new casino that they are not self excluded at.  You say live on stream you will get free spins, free points  and you can join all my giveaways etc etc.  Are you telling me that if that player then signs up and gets back into gambling it is noting at all to do with you?

 
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TommyBhoy said:
The streams do more bad than good,  there must be a high percentage of viewers who have issues with gambling.  The chats are full of people talking about how they self excluded.
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Another assunption.

Here is another challenge for you. Watch all of my previous streams and count the number of times self exclusion or gambling problems is being mentioned.

I can tell you now you will be lucky if it is a handful of times.

 
@Slotplayer u tell me what good your stream is to anybody? entertainment? don't make me laugh,  we are not just getting at you, its all the streamers.

 
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Slotplayer said:
Each to their own. Because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. Plenty do enjoy it as viewer numbers are testimony of.
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I never said people dont like, I asked what good it does ? the answer is no good, same as bookmakers advertising on tv etc.

 
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TommyBhoy said:
I never said people dont like, I asked what good it does ? the answer is no good, same as bookmakers advertising on tv etc.
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Well if people like watching it then it is good enough for me and them.

Anyway my lunch break is over now so back to work for me to earn some more dosh so I can fund my next stream that my viewers are looking forward to seeing.

PS: What good does Eastenders do?

 
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