ban online casino streamers
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Josh Green
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Do any streamers pretend or say they win? I havent come across ANy that say they win. If you watch there streams ( not big win videos ) or bonus compilations you will see that most end up in losses.
Streamers are not JUST putting out win videos and saying this is how it is....
SuperSmask
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Of all the streamers i have watched, many of whom are on the list you have at the start of your topic, all do their utmost to tell people to stop gambling, if they see a sign of a problem gambler. I have seen numerous streams where they have told viewers, who have shared a bad experience, to unfollow/unsubscribe and self exclude from the casinos. I don't think we can ask much more than that.
Like @pausefisk and a couple of other have said, you as a problem gambler need to want to stop. Streamers can't do that for you. You can't expect a streamer to do that. If a streamer cares about their audience, they will help as much as they can, but there's a limitation to that. Like I said earlier, I can said that about many of the streamers on your list, not just CG streamers.
As to the high bets, I would never do that, but that's because I can't afford it, and most of all I don't want to risk that much money. I have at the most done 200€, which is my absolute limit. Again here a lot streamers even say, dont do this. They are still gambling within their limits, but its still up to each individual to know what their limits are, which takes us back to You as an individual need to want to change your bad habits.
As of @Slotplayer being a spokesperson, I actually agree with everything he says. And to be honest, if you've read some of the hate comments or vile langauge being directed towards him, not in this post, when in fact he's just sharing his side of the story/experience.
This topic will always divide us, no matter what
Like @pausefisk and a couple of other have said, you as a problem gambler need to want to stop. Streamers can't do that for you. You can't expect a streamer to do that. If a streamer cares about their audience, they will help as much as they can, but there's a limitation to that. Like I said earlier, I can said that about many of the streamers on your list, not just CG streamers.
As to the high bets, I would never do that, but that's because I can't afford it, and most of all I don't want to risk that much money. I have at the most done 200€, which is my absolute limit. Again here a lot streamers even say, dont do this. They are still gambling within their limits, but its still up to each individual to know what their limits are, which takes us back to You as an individual need to want to change your bad habits.
As of @Slotplayer being a spokesperson, I actually agree with everything he says. And to be honest, if you've read some of the hate comments or vile langauge being directed towards him, not in this post, when in fact he's just sharing his side of the story/experience.
This topic will always divide us, no matter what
Slotplayer
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I am my own spokes person thank you very much. I don't speak for the other streamers but they may well agree with what I say.
I noticed a couple of Youtube channels closed now. Not sure why or how. All it results in is that those that enjoy the streams can no longer watch it. Since when is banning shit the answer because somebody blew their money on slots because they couldn't control their spend.
chrisfleming9
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people have a choice and thats the important thing....the online streamers do not force people to sign up , they give them an option.
its like buying coca cola from an ad you see on the telly , and when it comes to addictions its the individual only that can change their situation , casino streamers are for me entertainers , i am afraid for whatever reason people get banned from streaming its because they have done something wrong.....and all streamers i know especially like david labowsky and also supersmask and a lot of others promote responsible gambling ......you cannot tar everyone with the same brush ...i think its very unfair to say all streamers are the same.
if people want to gamble they will ......i gave up after 30 years so if i can others can they must want to stop
its like buying coca cola from an ad you see on the telly , and when it comes to addictions its the individual only that can change their situation , casino streamers are for me entertainers , i am afraid for whatever reason people get banned from streaming its because they have done something wrong.....and all streamers i know especially like david labowsky and also supersmask and a lot of others promote responsible gambling ......you cannot tar everyone with the same brush ...i think its very unfair to say all streamers are the same.
if people want to gamble they will ......i gave up after 30 years so if i can others can they must want to stop
Ban online casinostreaming
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Hi @Josh Green
i agree with the first point, How ever the second point is very strange as if your saying its ok to post the big win videos as the first point justifies it ?
Or do you agree that the Individual big win videos with pinned links to sign up to casinos is mis leading and predatory behavior that isn't even accepted in main stream gambling advertising so should be banned as part of advertising regulations? Im waiting for some feedback from you tube and the advertising commission about this so any feedback would be good.
Ban online casinostreaming
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@chrisfleming9 They are all nice guys but they are not responsible gamblers.
Nobody that plays slots for hours nearly every day can ever be classed as responsible.
@Slotplayer what if a youngster searches the film rocknrolla on youtube and comes across the gambling channel?
Gambling addiction is out of control in the UK and I personally think casino streamers will be shut down.
Nobody that plays slots for hours nearly every day can ever be classed as responsible.
@Slotplayer what if a youngster searches the film rocknrolla on youtube and comes across the gambling channel?
Gambling addiction is out of control in the UK and I personally think casino streamers will be shut down.
Ban online casinostreaming
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Hi @Slotplayer
Thank you for taking the time out to reply, Of course it will be impossible to ban gambling even because of problem gamblers this shouldn't happen, How ever the way gambling is advertised today is in my opinion completely unacceptable and im afraid casino affiliate streamers are part of the problem, But you only work to the regulations that you have to conform to. Which is why we need to put pressure on the authority's to tighten up things due to the rise is problem/compulsive gambling and gambling debt as we all have a responsibility on both sides.
As i said before i dont think as you say this shit should be banned how ever for example when they realised the damage passive smoking does to people they banned it in clubs pubs etc (which was a great thing to happen) and was a big step forward for social health, The gambling industry (especially online) as i said before needs to change.
SuperSmask
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Responsible Gambling is knowing your limitations, and even though I stream like 3-4 times a week, I know im gambling responsibly. Im playing within my limits, and with money I can afford to lose. If thats not responsible gambling then what is? @TommyBhoy
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HI @SuperSmask
Do you ever consider the affects this has on others and the harm it can cause ? What do you do to protect vulnerable players ? apart from what you are told you have to do to stream like a tiny 18 + sign which is a total waste of time. Is there any thing you personally do that other streamers dont to protect compulsive/problem gamblers ?
SuperSmask
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How can I do that @Ban online casinostreaming ?? The only ones who can help problem gamblers are proffesionals (gambleaware fx). The only thing I can do, is tell my viewers to stop and seek help. And that's where you as an individual need to want the change. btw you're making it sound like everyone is a problem gambler, which is far from the case.
SuperSmask
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@JohnnyCash couldn't agree with you more on that Lock feature.. That needs to be on ALL casinos. Should be a rule. It's a very intresting topic, and we will be divided on this topic. But still it creates a good discussion and hopefully make the community even better.
and hopefully make the community even better.
Josh Green
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Big win videos are posted because thats what their subscribers want to see - hence the big views and comments. Streamers are providing content that there subs ( and others ) WANT to see. Not to mislead and act as predators. Its like watching the highlights from a football match or the best goal. People would rather see that than the whole game again which is boring. Im not sure what the advertising commission has to do with it as these are not adverts - youtube is a free market place for content ( not adverts ) so i wouldn't hold your breath on getting anything meaningful back from then.
You will see videos with huge losses because streamers also know this is in some ways a highlight video that viewers will be interested to see. I have seen many 'fails' and big losses.
Your interpreting these big win videos al false advertising. Streamers would interpret them as simply the content their subscribers want to see. I streamed yesterday for 4 hours and had some subs come in and out and miss the 'big win' i got on a slot therefor it only makes sense to post this as s separate video which viewers want to see.
These videos are not click bait adverts.
NudgeShuffle
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Responsible gambling in the context you discuss appears to be focused on the provider side of things i.e. protecting vulnerable customers which suggests you categorise them as providers which I'm guessing many of them would identify with.
I'm curious if you think streaming could work at all with the right checks and balances in place i.e. something more aligned to TV advertising laws? If so, I would be interested in hearing your ideas.
Slotplayer
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Good points there.
Say, it is managed that all streamers and Youtube content makers channels that contain links are closed.
Then what?
The addict will go to the thousands of non affiliate linked channels. And those channels only show big win videos. There are thousands of them, mainly from the States. Some of these channels are also very big. Are these going to be closed down too? What next, ban gambling?
Nicola
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@Ban online casinostreaming I have spoken to a colleague today and he is happy to immediately exclude from all UK casinos for good - you would basically be the first person to use GAMSTOP. That's if you're serious about stopping gambling.
I have private mesasged you the developers direct e-mail address if you want to go ahead with this option.
I have private mesasged you the developers direct e-mail address if you want to go ahead with this option.
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Slotplayer
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That is like saying you go to the cinema and walk past the bookies. You wouldn't go into the bookies unless you are interested in gambling. Why would that youngster click on Rocknrolla Gambling Channel when he wants to see the movie.
All of the channels are targeted towards gamblers. There is no click bait.
Nicola
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I never said it was (or wasn't). If the players bankroll enables him or her to do £10 or £20 and they are comfortable with that spend then it's their choice.
These days I play under £1 a spin, most cases 20p, 40p a spin because that's what I'm comfortable with and I play for the entertainment rather than money.
Never question RG with me. Since day one of working in the casino industry it is the forefront of my mind. I have industry certification (Malta law) and attend meetings with GamCare and RGT to assit them with changes in the industry. It is customary for all operators and affiliates to donate a percentage (normally <1%) of annual income to gambling charities. I have made it no secret that 15% of my annual income goes to these charities year after year. This is public information and is visible at Companies House.
