losemorethanyouwin Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 The fact people use fake money is not so much of a concern to me, I think that misses a bigger issue about streaming, be it on twitch or uploaded videos on youtube. Everybody who plays slots machines will lose. The depth of those losses depends on control or addiction. All RTPs are in the 90s. you will lose . you always will. Its the most basic maths. they are spelling it out for you. (the only way you could ever win long term would be to hit a massive progressive which in turn lowers your RTP.) But that isnt to say you shouldnt play slots. people enjoy the buzz, it helps some people wind down. The streaming of slots also helps people who are addicted as they can watch without losing money. My problem is that some twitch streamers or people who upload their videos on youtube will mislead you in a way. Either by saying they are up or maybe showing you how they went from £100 to £5k. How many £100 deposits did they make to get that hit, that they then upload? People will watch these videos and think "i could do that" and maybe you could but how long to get there? and how long before you lose that and try again? Most streamers will have a big bankroll to go to war with and can take a hit and anything like this is private. people can do as they choose with their own money. but I think there is a moral obligtion to be honest with where you stand financially from your streams that are viewed by the public. Whenever i see streamers posting winnings from offline streams then that raises an eyebrow for me There are a lot of contentious issues. eg why should anyone show how much they win or loss from streaming? but I think if you are benefitting from deposit bonuses or anything else a casino may offer you to stream from their site, then you are being used as a vehicle to encourage other people to join that site. Thats what these bonuses are about. Then I think it is a moral obligation. Two streamers I would like to single out as a being what I would consider responsible are letsgiveitasin and the bandit. I know neither of these people. In fact I know nobdy on here. Thebandit is extremely candid about his losses and seems to always start a stream either with a new balance or continues off from where he last played. He will usually spend a couple of minutes at the start of the video explaining the situation. And Letsgiveitaspin similarly. How the issue of fake money has blinded bigger issues almost seems to be like strutting peacocks. People using fake money for streams are sad and pathetic, there is no real issue other than that. youve been caught out, big deal. They'll do something else. The biggest issue is the misconception that with a bit of luck you too could win big. consistently. Its not poker, its slot machines Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 Some harsh comments towards streamers there. Some of them are unfounded in my opinion. If you care to watch the whole stream you will find that most, if not all, streamers go through losing sessions. I for one have now given up for a month because the losses were going just silly. On one of my stream a few months ago I even blocked my account for a week "live" because I was, once again, going through a bad patch with an explanation given to the viewers. Nickslots, as an example, a few months ago was going through a few weeks of lost deposits and he was honest to his viewers about it. Youtube winner videos (or the screen shots here or elsewhere for that matter) are just that - a win that happened. It doesn't give a clue about how much money was "invested" to get that win. Sometimes more information is given how the win came about, which is helpful. Some Youtube slot channels do contain losing sessions - Dunover's one as an example whilst others such as DaveSlotWinExcitement just shows massive big wins and nothing else. At the end of the day, if you play slots you are going to lose money in the long run. You will only make a profit to never return to slots once you're ahead. Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 With regards the comment 57 minutes ago, losemorethanyouwin said: but I think if you are benefitting from deposit bonuses or anything else a casino may offer you to stream from their site, then you are being used as a vehicle to encourage other people to join that site. Thats what these bonuses are about. Then I think it is a moral obligation A deposit bonus is a perk for being loyal to a casino. I am sure that non streaming people that spend a lot of money at a casino will get their own perks from their VIP manager (I know I did before I started to stream my slot play). Besides, not all streamers play with deposit match bonuses or play with them all of the time. Link to comment
losemorethanyouwin Posted 27 October, 2016 Author Share Posted 27 October, 2016 In your first post I think I agree with everything you've said. The last paragraph sums up exactly what i think 13 minutes ago, Slotplayer said: At the end of the day, if you play slots you are going to lose money in the long run. You will only make a profit to never return to slots once you're ahead Im not commenting on individual streams and how they end up. Everybody who streams will lose, that's an undeniable fact unless they take out a very big progressive. But thats not what is said on some streams. You'd be surprised how many people think its beatable, that there's a system. well probably not that surprised - just read the chat or comments Ive played slot machine online since their inception and the 100% deposit bonuses rewarded are not common at all. certainly not for every deposit no matter how much you use the casino Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 20 minutes ago, losemorethanyouwin said: Ive played slot machine online since their inception and the 100% deposit bonuses rewarded are not common at all. certainly not for every deposit no matter how much you use the casino Deposit match bonuses are just one way of looking after your players. But there are other ways (% of losses refunded, free chips) that a casino has to look after regular depositing players. I know that Rizk and Casumo offer daily deposit match bonuses to streamers (and I also believe to the Bandit!!!) because streaming slot play is an expensive hobby. It effectively reduces the losses the streamer makes by half as compensation for advertising their casino. But they're still losses in the long term for the player. Link to comment
losemorethanyouwin Posted 27 October, 2016 Author Share Posted 27 October, 2016 I agree once again. I highlighted the bonuses a streamer will recieve to show that the streamer is advertising the casino in return for rewards(just like in any other walk of life) and that this in turn might give the streamer a moral obligation to be honest about profit and loss. The more you play on slots the closer you will get to the RTP. Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 I confess that I don't watch each and every stream, but I am curious to know which streamer(s) actually says that playing slots is a profitable business? Those that I watch regularly certainly haven't? Link to comment
losemorethanyouwin Posted 27 October, 2016 Author Share Posted 27 October, 2016 they're are streamers who say they are in profit but equally I am talking about videos uploaded that say "starting from x amount up to y amount". Thats the most misleading. we could all say heres how we deposited 20 quid and now we have 500 but omit the other 20 £20 deposits we made. from £420 to £500 doesnt have the same ring to it Link to comment
Ziexor Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 I think the worst thing about casino streamers is that they use a channel(twitch) used by young people to enlist them to their casino Link to comment
Slotplayer Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 3 hours ago, Ziexor said: I think the worst thing about casino streamers is that they use a channel(twitch) used by young people to enlist them to their casino Most if not all of the steamers have their channel set to mature audience. If you're mature enough to cast a vote in an election you should be mature enough to make a decision whether gambling is or is not for you. Link to comment
Ziexor Posted 27 October, 2016 Share Posted 27 October, 2016 I completely agree with you slotplayer, as long streamers are clear on to warn about the consequences of casino and what can happen if you lose control. Most people can enjoy alcohol without problems and we know it can be a problem if you drink too much and for more than what you can afford. The same applies to casino gambling. I think Letsgiveitaspin is the one that does best of all streamers to warn although there is improvement potential. I guess OP just dont like the glorification of casinos:) Link to comment
realagentbearrrrr Posted 15 November, 2016 Share Posted 15 November, 2016 All gamblers lie about how much they have lost... I don't see why someone who decides to stream his slot play on twitch is suddenly expected to be a spokesperson for responsible gambling ? If they want to talk about it then fine - personally I find it pretty boring . So what if they have links to a casino . It's pretty easy to get linked to a casino from other sources anyway. The biggest fallacy they promote is suggesting that there is some sort of skill element to the game and that if you choose the right slot and know when to leave it because it's "cold" and manage to raise your bet size when it's "due" and pick "right" in the bonus games then you can somehow improve your chances of winning . Even the biggest , most responsible streamers do this all the time . Even if they don't really believe it themselves there are a lot of naive/uninformed people who might not realise that it's not going to make any difference . The only "skill" in playing slots is avoiding the shitty slots which are ALWAYS shitty and should always be avoided and nothing to do with them being hot or cold Link to comment
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