ban online casino streamers

[RyanMcSplooger]

8 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

Shouldn't you be studying law rather than watching my streams as you appear to know who my moderators are on my stream. Pathetic.

And I will continue to post (not push) my affiliation links so people that want to can click on it (no luring in involved). It is very convenient indeed - well spotted.

I continue to gamble to my budget (I can stop when I want to - shame you and your ilk can't) and if I make a profit from affiliation than happy bloody days.

What are you planning to do? Become a defence lawyer? How would you sleep at night defending a person you know to be guilty in court in the hope he or she gets off. Maybe even on a technicality. It is allowed by law but it is rather immoral, isn't it.

And I am not even going to apologise for getting personal - it is you who started it by calling me an addict. 

Slotplayer are you an addict either currently or reformed? Be honest because the internet is a big place and I'm sure if you've mentioned you had a problem in the past it will be out there.

It's weird really that I have evidence of at least 5 or 6 big streamers saying they are reformed addicts. It's funny really how they now are all magically reformed now they have money to fund their addiction. 

It's very irresponsible that casinos allow addicts to promote their brand. I will be pushing for this to change. No one can take a casino seriously when they say they want responsible players and then use addicts to get sign ups.

[RyanMcSplooger]

15 hours ago, Nick said:

First warning @TommyBhoy if you’re going to throw nothing but insults around. Remember this thread is kept open so you can share your thoughts on casino streaming whether that be positive or negative, and it’s not here for you to slag off streamers.

Keep it on topic please.

Going to ask you the same question as I asked slotplayer nick. I've heard some things and been sent stuff but I don't believe it until someone tells me.

Have you ever suffered from gambling addiction? Past or present that is. I've spoken to some people who have messaged you in the past regarding addiction who said you used to have a problem. If this is true do you think it's responsible letting an addict (past or present) promote casinos?

[Nick]

2 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Going to ask you the same question as I asked slotplayer nick. I've heard some things and been sent stuff but I don't believe it until someone tells me.

Have you ever suffered from gambling addiction? Past or present that is. I've spoken to some people who have messaged you in the past regarding addiction who said you used to have a problem. If this is true do you think it's responsible letting an addict (past or present) promote casinos?

Anyone that gambles a lot can get addicted, streaming regularly means you get the highs and lows and hitting nothing for weeks can tilt even the most experienced gambler so sure i’ve done a £1000 deposit or £2000 offstream on big bets to try and hit something. But i would never gamble and put my loved ones at risk ie spending money that should be for bills, food, mortgage etc

Unfortunately you get people who fall into this category and when they message me offstream on Facebook etc i always tell them to self exclude immediately and to stop watching streams/videos etc

You have to actively search for gambling content on YouTube where as on TV it’s in you face whether you want it to be there or not. 

I could send people to this thread who ive advised to stop gambling immediately if they are ruining their lives, can show screenshots if you don’t believe me.

Last thing i want is to refer someone who has nothing into the world of gambling, and from a pure financial point of view it’s bad for business as i never go pure cpa deals at Casinos where you make big money for each referral, i go the revshare hybrid route.

So to answer your question, i’m not addicted to gambling as it’s something i’ve done since a teen playing the fruit machines down the arcades in Scarborough and that’s what got me into slot machines. And i only gamble with money i can afford to do so with, and imo i have it under control.

[RyanMcSplooger]

35 minutes ago, Nick said:

Anyone that gambles a lot can get addicted, streaming regularly means you get the highs and lows and hitting nothing for weeks can tilt even the most experienced gambler so sure i’ve done a £1000 deposit or £2000 offstream on big bets to try and hit something. But i would never gamble and put my loved ones at risk ie spending money that should be for bills, food, mortgage etc

Unfortunately you get people who fall into this category and when they message me offstream on Facebook etc i always tell them to self exclude immediately and to stop watching streams/videos etc

You have to actively search for gambling content on YouTube where as on TV it’s in you face whether you want it to be there or not. 

I could send people to this thread who ive advised to stop gambling immediately if they are ruining their lives, can show screenshots if you don’t believe me.

Last thing i want is to refer someone who has nothing into the world of gambling, and from a pure financial point of view it’s bad for business as i never go pure cpa deals at Casinos where you make big money for each referral, i go the revshare hybrid route.

So to answer your question, i’m not addicted to gambling as it’s something i’ve done since a teen playing the fruit machines down the arcades in Scarborough and that’s what got me into slot machines. And i only gamble with money i can afford to do so with, and imo i have it under control.

I think this where we disagree. In my eyes you dont need to be gambling more than you can afford to be classified as an addict. The money is somewhat irrelevant. Addicts get their thrill from playing the slots and games. It doesn't matter if they win or lose, it's the fact they can't stop playing. 

You should me more responsible in that you should never go in tilt if you're serious about representing a casino. It's not a fair representation of the average gambler at all, the average gambler with no addiction has strict limits and walks away. 

At least we agree that people have to actively seek this content, if you're actively seeking such content you're already at risk in my eyes. The average person wouldn't do this and you surely just be aware of the large amounts of addicts as you seem them in your chat.

Streamers have already admitted their addiction in many cases. Do you think they should be affiliates? I met up with the bandit on Friday and he said that answer was a clear no. There's really no argument for allowing a former or current addict to represent a casino in my eyes.

I would like to add I would be happy if you made it very clear that addicts should not be watching your streams. Also, I've suggested promoting gamban and a few others are going to run with this.

[Slotplayer]

3 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Slotplayer are you an addict either currently or reformed? Be honest because the internet is a big place and I'm sure if you've mentioned you had a problem in the past it will be out there.

It's weird really that I have evidence of at least 5 or 6 big streamers saying they are reformed addicts. It's funny really how they now are all magically reformed now they have money to fund their addiction. 

It's very irresponsible that casinos allow addicts to promote their brand. I will be pushing for this to change. No one can take a casino seriously when they say they want responsible players and then use addicts to get sign ups.

You're more than welcome to search the internet. I help you with a page on my website: http://www.slotplayers.co.uk/2017/04/14/taking-a-very-long-break-from-playing-slots/

Your definition of addiction is different to mine and the dictionary. Gambling addiction is defined as:

an urge to gamble continuously despite harmful negative consequences or a desire to stop

The difference is that I have a set budget and know when to stop. The above linked article is actually testimony that I recognised that it may become a problem if I didn't stop. So I did stop for a while. I would argue these are the actions of a responsible gambler because an addict would have carried on, just like you did before you gave gambling up (didn't you say on one of your streams you were homeless because of it?).

Gambling is a very expensive hobby. And that is what I treat it as - a hobby.

I work 4 days then have 4 days off. During the 4 days that I work, I don't touch the slots. During my 4 rest days (other than Sunday's) I gamble during the day. Never at night and Sunday's because that is when I spent time with my wife.

So that is my answer. I am no gambling addict I am a responsible gambler that has their gambling under control. Just as it should be because I do know the consequences if it does go out of control.

As for advertising Gamban. Will do that, no problem with it. But having said that, why didn't you link to it in your latest video? Maybe you forgot so quid-pro-quo?

[RyanMcSplooger]

19 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

You're more than welcome to search the internet. I help you with a page on my website: http://www.slotplayers.co.uk/2017/04/14/taking-a-very-long-break-from-playing-slots/

Your definition of addiction is different to mine and the dictionary. Gambling addiction is defined as:

an urge to gamble continuously despite harmful negative consequences or a desire to stop

The difference is that I have a set budget and know when to stop. The above linked article is actually testimony that I recognised that it may become a problem if I didn't stop. So I did stop for a while. I would argue these are the actions of a responsible gambler because an addict would have carried on, just like you did before you gave gambling up (didn't you say on one of your streams you were homeless because of it?).

Gambling is a very expensive hobby. And that is what I treat it as - a hobby.

I work 4 days then have 4 days off. During the 4 days that I work, I don't touch the slots. During my 4 rest days (other than Sunday's) I gamble during the day. Never at night and Sunday's because that is when I spent time with my wife.

So that is my answer. I am no gambling addict I am a responsible gambler that has their gambling under control. Just as it should be because I do know the consequences if it does go out of control.

As for advertising Gamban. Will do that, no problem with it. But having said that, why didn't you link to it in your latest video? Maybe you forgot so quid-pro-quo?

"A compulsive, or pathological, gambler is someone who is unable to resist his or her impulses to gamble"

According to your logic, a billionaire could gamble all day every day and because it has no severe consequences to their financial state they are not an addict. That's not true is it.

You say you don't gamble off stream or go above your budget, this not the case for the majority of streamers who continue to 'tilt' or gamble off stream.

I forgot to put the link up for gamban but there's positive news in that following my meet up with the bandit he's going to actually pay for up to 100 people a month to use this service.

Do you think an addict past or present should be representing a casino as an affiliate?

[TommyBhoy]

@Nick Dont u dare warn me, Im telling the truth mate.  You are a very arrogant person and many people think so.

Also why do u never step in and stop non sheep from being hounded, abused and banned?

I will tell u why because ur mods are low life addicts and u feed their cravings.

If u think for one second ur not a terrible influence on people then u seriously need ur head examined.

[Slotplayer]

22 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

"A compulsive, or pathological, gambler is someone who is unable to resist his or her impulses to gamble"

According to your logic, a billionaire could gamble all day every day and because it has no severe consequences to their financial state they are not an addict. That's not true is it.

You say you don't gamble off stream or go above your budget, this not the case for the majority of streamers who continue to 'tilt' or gamble off stream.

I forgot to put the link up for gamban but there's positive news in that following my meet up with the bandit he's going to actually pay for up to 100 people a month to use this service.

Do you think an addict past or present should be representing a casino as an affiliate?

 

Strangely enough  I just dropped an email off to the developers of Gamban to enquire whether I can buy licenses on others behalf so I could offer to buy it for people who struggle to pay for it. I will await their response if this is possible. If it is, I am more than happy to buy a license for those that are serious giving up. I won't buy them willy nilly because you are going to have some trolls making me spend on licenses they are never going to use so there will be conditions attached to it.

Should an addict represent a casino as an affiliate? Providing they promote casinos in the right manner and by the law (and streaming is just a small part of the affiliation world, there are thousands upon thousands of affiliate websites about) I don't see a problem with it.

You are concentrating your "war" against the streamers but forget about all those other websites. How many of these are run by addicts? How many of these are run by gamblers? Look at "Askgamblers" as an example. I bet your bottom dollar their revenue from affiliation runs in the millions a year, yet not a peep said about that. And I wouldn't touch some of the casinos they promote with a barge pole!!!

As to your definition of a gambling addict, it is pretty close to mine. Money is irrelevant. If you can afford and are prepared to lose what ever amount on gambling you are not a problem gambler. It is if either of the two conditions are not met (the afford and prepared) but despite of that you continue you are a problem gambler / addict. So even if you could afford it but are not prepared to lose it, you shouldn't be gambling.

[Nick]

10 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Nick Dont u dare warn me, Im telling the truth mate.  You are a very arrogant person and many people think so.

Also why do u never step in and stop non sheep from being hounded, abused and banned?

I will tell u why because ur mods are low life addicts and u feed their cravings.

If u think for one second ur not a terrible influence on people then u seriously need ur head examined.

Don't i dare warn you?

You're using our website throwing accusations and harassment towards other streamers, so continue doing this and you'll be removed from the community.

[RyanMcSplooger]

30 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Strangely enough  I just dropped an email off to the developers of Gamban to enquire whether I can buy licenses on others behalf so I could offer to buy it for people who struggle to pay for it. I will await their response if this is possible. If it is, I am more than happy to buy a license for those that are serious giving up. I won't buy them willy nilly because you are going to have some trolls making me spend on licenses they are never going to use so there will be conditions attached to it.

Should an addict represent a casino as an affiliate? Providing they promote casinos in the right manner and by the law (and streaming is just a small part of the affiliation world, there are thousands upon thousands of affiliate websites about) I don't see a problem with it.

You are concentrating your "war" against the streamers but forget about all those other websites. How many of these are run by addicts? How many of these are run by gamblers? Look at "Askgamblers" as an example. I bet your bottom dollar their revenue from affiliation runs in the millions a year, yet not a peep said about that. And I wouldn't touch some of the casinos they promote with a barge pole!!!

Well that's very admirable and commend you for doing so.

I seriously cannot believe you think it's okay for an addict to promote a casino though. How awful and immoral. It shouldn't be allows to happen. An irresponsible gambler who has lost the lot of multiple occasions who then turns his addiction in to some kind of way to fund their addiction via affiliation is abhorrent. I'm surprised you would say that's okay if I'm honest.

[Slotplayer]

6 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Well that's very admirable and commend you for doing so.

I seriously cannot believe you think it's okay for an addict to promote a casino though. How awful and immoral. It shouldn't be allows to happen. An irresponsible gambler who has lost the lot of multiple occasions who then turns his addiction in to some kind of way to fund their addiction via affiliation is abhorrent. I'm surprised you would say that's okay if I'm honest.

Which streamer has "lost the lot" and then turned to affiliation? And with "lost the lot" I mean gambling has caused them financial / family / emotional problems?

I noticed your selected answer. What about the thousands of websites that promote casinos? Why are they not included in your war to protect the problem gambler?

[Slotplayer]

Well Gamban replied back that I can purchase licenses on behalf of somebody else so will discuss this with them later this week to set up the logistics of this.

You are going to do the same Ryan? At least both streamers and anti streamers are then doing something positive and financially support those that are serious wanting to give up gambling and perhaps can't afford the £10 yearly fee.

[Nick]

22 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Well Gamban replied back that I can purchase licenses on behalf of somebody else so will discuss this with them later this week to set up the logistics of this.

You are going to do the same Ryan? At least both streamers and anti streamers are then doing something positive and financially support those that are serious wanting to give up gambling and perhaps can't afford the £10 yearly fee.

Can do this too no problem.

[Slotplayer]

6 minutes ago, Nick said:

Can do this too no problem.

I don't think that any responsible streamer has a problem with it because despite what some think, we don't want to refer problem gamblers to casinos.

If only there was a way of doing that. Anybody who has an answer to it (and no, banning streaming isn't the answer) then I am all ears.

The sooner the global exclusion database comes into force the better because that will stop the problem gambler playing at a casino, no matter which way they are being referred to a casino.

Anybody knows when the database will be up and running?

[RyanMcSplooger]

28 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Well Gamban replied back that I can purchase licenses on behalf of somebody else so will discuss this with them later this week to set up the logistics of this.

You are going to do the same Ryan? At least both streamers and anti streamers are then doing something positive and financially support those that are serious wanting to give up gambling and perhaps can't afford the £10 yearly fee.

My whole existence on YouTube is try and help the problem gambler. I will mention it and if anyone wants to email me I will pay for it no problem. However I can't afford the vast amounts that for example the bandit is willing to do. I run my own business and pay myself a wage, which is extremely small despite the large sums the business pulls in (saying this before I get outed as someone making a fortune). Most of my money goes on stock replenishment and building my own business. I pay myself as little as £160 a week sometimes.

As for the streamers who have lost it all. Well the two biggest on YouTube have done exactly that and don't hide from it. I also know of four others (large channels) but I'm not going to name drop here as I get hate. Feel free to PM me if you want to know though 

[Slotplayer]

26 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

My whole existence on YouTube is try and help the problem gambler. I will mention it and if anyone wants to email me I will pay for it no problem. However I can't afford the vast amounts that for example the bandit is willing to do. I run my own business and pay myself a wage, which is extremely small despite the large sums the business pulls in (saying this before I get outed as someone making a fortune). Most of my money goes on stock replenishment and building my own business. I pay myself as little as £160 a week sometimes.

As for the streamers who have lost it all. Well the two biggest on YouTube have done exactly that and don't hide from it. I also know of four others (large channels) but I'm not going to name drop here as I get hate. Feel free to PM me if you want to know though 

Well it is not a cock waving excersise as far as I am concerned who can afford to pay for most licenses so kudos to you to assist where you can.

[RyanMcSplooger]

4 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Well it is not a cock waving excersise as far as I am concerned who can afford to pay for most licenses so kudos to you to assist where you can.

Don't get me wrong, I have money but I can't be taking out of my business to fund this. If someone came to me and genuinely needed help I would of course buy it for them. I would do that anyway. 

[RyanMcSplooger]

I would like to add something, when the multi operator self exclusion online tool rolls out this year and as long as it's working how it should be and streamers are pushing people towards it I will withdraw from this whole debate. 

My issue is with gambling addicts viewing this content and going on to gamble further and with these tools in place I can't realistically argue that the gambler doesn't have enough tools to protect themselves.

Again, we will see what happens and how it functions. If there's loopholes around it or its not being promoted enough I will continue.

[Slotplayer]

23 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I would like to add something, when the multi operator self exclusion online tool rolls out this year and as long as it's working how it should be and streamers are pushing people towards it I will withdraw from this whole debate. 

My issue is with gambling addicts viewing this content and going on to gamble further and with these tools in place I can't realistically argue that the gambler doesn't have enough tools to protect themselves.

Again, we will see what happens and how it functions. If there's loopholes around it or its not being promoted enough I will continue.

Do you know if Gamban blocks gambling videos? Be great if it can.

[Slotplayer]

The reason for my last question is this post I made ages ago 

https://casinogrounds.com/forum/topic/839-casino-blocking-software/

There used to be a bit of software called TxNoGam that unfortunately has been discontinued. I tested it for 3 days and not only couldn't I go to casino sites, I couldn't access forums and gambling videos. Very good tool that was!!

[RyanMcSplooger]

3 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

The reason for my last question is this post I made ages ago 

https://casinogrounds.com/forum/topic/839-casino-blocking-software/

There used to be a bit of software called TxNoGam that unfortunately has been discontinued. I tested it for 3 days and not only couldn't I go to casino sites, I couldn't access forums and gambling videos. Very good tool that was!!

To my knowledge there are no options to block gambling videos. I suppose it would be useful to those who gamble offline but gamban doesn't support this I don't think. 

I use Gamban personally and have done for months. It definitely works in not allowing you access any site, this includes tipster sites and review sites too from what I've tried 

[Slotplayer]

5 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

To my knowledge there are no options to block gambling videos. I suppose it would be useful to those who gamble offline but gamban doesn't support this I don't think. 

I use Gamban personally and have done for months. It definitely works in not allowing you access any site, this includes tipster sites and review sites too from what I've tried 

That is a shame.

I will have a chat with them and see if they can or are willing to add my Youtube and Twitch channels.

[RyanMcSplooger]

2 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

That is a shame.

I will have a chat with them and see if they can or are willing to add my Youtube and Twitch channels.

That's a really good idea. Hope others will follow 

[TommyBhoy]

  Guys I think you mean well but blocking software is very easily bypassed without much effort.  All you need to do is go to an online betting site through either a vpn of through an addon like hola.  The global exclusion programme will not work either as their is many sportsbooks outside the eu who dont give a toss if ur an addicted gambler or not. @Slotplayer  I understand its all about will power but honestly some people cant stop.@RyanMcSplooger  Ive read the comments on youtube after the video you made.  I dont know why the streamers cant simply turn round and say yes we are promoting casinos and there is a chance we are being viewed by minors and addicts - THE TRUTH.  Instead they get so defensive.  Yet its you that gets the hassle even though u have said that its down to the person not to gamble.  I would like to ask a streamer like @Nick why he allows known trolls to be moderators in his chat? This is a FACT  so Im not abusing anyone I just want to know why you allow this in ur supposedly reputable channel?

[Nick]

4 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

  Guys I think you mean well but blocking software is very easily bypassed without much effort.  All you need to do is go to an online betting site through either a vpn of through an addon like hola.  The global exclusion programme will not work either as their is many sportsbooks outside the eu who dont give a toss if ur an addicted gambler or not. @Slotplayer  I understand its all about will power but honestly some people cant stop.@RyanMcSplooger  Ive read the comments on youtube after the video you made.  I dont know why the streamers cant simply turn round and say yes we are promoting casinos and there is a chance we are being viewed by minors and addicts - THE TRUTH.  Instead they get so defensive.  Yet its you that gets the hassle even though u have said that its down to the person not to gamble.  I would like to ask a streamer like @Nick why he allows known trolls to be moderators in his chat? This is a FACT  so Im not abusing anyone I just want to know why you allow this in ur supposedly reputable channel?

If you can message me who you believe of my mods are "trolls" then i will certainly look into it, but as far as i can see the mods do a good job of blocking vile comments from the usual trolls who pop in everyday.