ban online casino streamers

[RyanMcSplooger]

1 minute ago, Slotplayer said:

What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.

Banning is not the answer only if you're a streamer. Banning these streams would potentially save people hundreds of thousands, would save fall outs at home and may even save lives if you think of how many go on to commit suicide.

Pros and cons my friend.

Before you start on the old "gambling addicts will always find a way". Well I'm sure that's true a lot of the time. Putting such content in front of them luring then to gable again though is extremely unhealthy. 

I don't believe streams cause addiction to those with no interest but because of the big stakes and the community obsessed with big wins it can definitely turn a normal gambler in to an addict and it does zero for the already gambling addict.

[Slotplayer]

15 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

You've always refused to accept that the demographics of the viewers are largely gambling addicts. You wriggle out of it by saying there's no proof. It's obvious to anyone that doesn't stream or has a direct association that it's the case. Study your audience if you stream, look at how many depositing players go on to self exclude. Look at how many deposit time and time again in the same day. Not one person has done this despite data being available to affiliates.

You must not forget that addiction is measure in time consumed in an activity too. Someone who watches these streams and gambles in any form and is watching for 5 hours a day and hop from stream to stream getting their viewing fix is an addict too.

gambling addiction: an urge to gamble continuously despite harmful  negative consequences or a desire to stop

Your definition is different but I rather stick to the official one.

A person that can control their gambling but watches streams for hours a day is not a gambling addict.

[TommyBhoy]

35 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.

The streams do more bad than good,  there must be a high percentage of viewers who have issues with gambling.  The chats are full of people talking about how they self excluded.

Say for example a gambling addict has been watching your stream for a while and is self excluded at all the casinos u play at.  Then one day out the blue you start playing at a new casino that they are not self excluded at.  You say live on stream you will get free spins, free points  and you can join all my giveaways etc etc.  Are you telling me that if that player then signs up and gets back into gambling it is noting at all to do with you?

[Slotplayer]

1 minute ago, TommyBhoy said:

The streams do more bad than good,  there must be a high percentage of viewers who have issues with gambling.  The chats are full of people talking about how they self excluded.

Another assunption.

Here is another challenge for you. Watch all of my previous streams and count the number of times self exclusion or gambling problems is being mentioned.

I can tell you now you will be lucky if it is a handful of times.

[TommyBhoy]

@Slotplayer u tell me what good your stream is to anybody? entertainment? don't make me laugh,  we are not just getting at you, its all the streamers.

[Slotplayer]

2 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer u tell me what good your stream is to anybody? entertainment? don't make me laugh,  we are not just getting at you, its all the streamers.

Each to their own. Because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. Plenty do enjoy it as viewer numbers are testimony of.

[TommyBhoy]

2 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

Each to their own. Because you don't like it doesn't mean others don't. Plenty do enjoy it as viewer numbers are testimony of.

I never said people dont like, I asked what good it does ? the answer is no good, same as bookmakers advertising on tv etc.

[Slotplayer]

10 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

I never said people dont like, I asked what good it does ? the answer is no good, same as bookmakers advertising on tv etc.

Well if people like watching it then it is good enough for me and them.

Anyway my lunch break is over now so back to work for me to earn some more dosh so I can fund my next stream that my viewers are looking forward to seeing.

PS: What good does Eastenders do?

[Ban online casinostreaming]

11 hours ago, Freddy from the hood said:

And if i insulted you @Ban online casinostreaming with the little bitch sentence , sorry g. Its just a saying. 

@Freddy from the hood no need to say sorry no offence taken, Peace man. 

[Skylined87]

I have just read throughout whole of the thread and must say it was quite an enjoyable read with some valid points from both sides.

However, I need to remind all involved in this thread - please be respectful and constructive when writing your replies. Stay away from personal attacks, using foul language and speculations (through guessing).

Failing in doing so will result in your post being deleted.

p.s. @pausefisk I will get back to you on that matter you suggested.

 

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

3 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

That doesn't make them an addict. I watch streams but don't consider myself a gambling addict.

@Slotplayer you have admitted to having a gambling problem yes you did something to help you and control it, how ever a Gambling addition problem of any kind lasts a life time it is part of you you can never get rid of the illness it stays with you for the rest of your life that is a medical fact please research this. The first thing for any one with a problem how ever bad it is (Minor up to compulsive) is to understand that just like alcohol addition it will never ever go away. Even if you say "I can control it" This doesn't mean you dont have a gambling problem and I think you are a addict from speaking with you who is also in denial, The worst place to be my friend. 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

15 hours ago, TechnoJoe said:

The Highroller 5 star review is BS, the internet is full of BS reviews tho - the last star wars was one - lets ban star wars!! 

But trying to ban streaming and ban responsible adults from watching a stream because the op is a self confessed degen is pathetic - the op's problems are his own, and it seems his way of addressing them is to try and 'fix' other peoples problems by prohibiting that which he has self admittedly accessed and used himself - just because he is degen and cant control his gambling doesnt mean others cant.  His whole position in this post is a joke.

 

I still maintain this is a troll post - the op is not trying to make a 'report' or engage with the government, he's here for lolz and a trollathon.  Can the op please post a copy of correspondance he;s had with anyone 'official' about this and the 'report' he's trying to create???

 

And TommyBhoy, i'd expect better from someone with Bhoy in his name.

 

 

@TechnoJoe Appreciate the feedback, Many Thanks, this is not trolling it is a debate on a really serious subject which by the sounds of it you dont have much knowledge about, Please do some research into the matter being discussed. I can also assure you I have written to the government secretary of state office for media, culture and sport in the UK (1 of many organisations) and yes i promise i will post on here all the correspondence in a final report. 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

3 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I fail to see how this guy is a troll when we are on a pro streamer forum and he has the support of a number of people. Take a look around on some of the comments of these videos and realise he's not alone in his thoughts.

The only ones who actually agree with you are pro streamers who are actually the minority. The general public wouldn't agree with addicts promoting casinos and they would not agree with people making money off others (gambling addicts) losses in such a non transparent way. 

A failure to understand who actually watches these videos is your downfall. It's a big circle of addicts. These videos are porn for gambling addicts and the makers want you to lose as much as possible if they are on a rev share based business model. 

 

 

@RyanMcSplooger Thanks for the support I have just found a amazing quote from one of the streamers so sorry just a little correction on the "all streamers agreeing with each other" will post it. Is a good read. 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

Quote from Rocknrolla gambling channel, Please feel free to comment on all or part of the statement, that would be great. (The original question to him was about fake money which by the way i dont think Rocknrolla users fake money) How ever i would like him to get involved in the responsible gambling side of the debate from the original post. 

 

haha ah mate it wasn't really that, I have no problem with it normally as all it does is give me another chance to prove its real, it was more I'm just not really enjoying it all at the moment mainly because affiliation is ruining it all. Fake gamblers, buisness channels, fake streams, viewbots, I've even been offered money to host channels, its just all about the money for these people and its the fact I'm associated with them! I've gone onto a few channels/stream lately and they have just turned into pure promo and sales pitches, its sad!

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My responce to this is take the affiliation side away from the streams and streamers, Just stream or post the famous big win videos (if you have to !!!) with no links to casinos, no special offers, no promoting of new casinos, no links to casino grounds etc etc, Who's up for that ? 

[TommyBhoy]

4 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

Quote form Rocknrolla gambling channel, Please feel free to comment on all or part of the statement, that would be great. (The original question to him was about fake money which by the way i dont think Rocknrolla users fake money)

 

haha ah mate it wasn't really that, I have no problem with it normally as all it does is give me another chance to prove its real, it was more I'm just not really enjoying it all at the moment mainly because affiliation is ruining it all. Fake gamblers, buisness channels, fake streams, viewbots, I've even been offered money to host channels, its just all about the money for these people and its the fact I'm associated with them! I've gone onto a few channels/stream lately and they have just turned into pure promo and sales pitches, its sad!

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What Paul says is spot on and applies to all the cg streamers, its all about the money.  Paul actually said on stream he wanted no part of being in cg big wins videos as he doesnt want people thinking he is winning on slots.   He knows as much as anyone about the subject so for him to say the videos make it look like hes winning at slots says alot.

Yet the cg streamers are happy to issue these videos on a regular basis.

[RyanMcSplooger]

9 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

Quote from Rocknrolla gambling channel, Please feel free to comment on all or part of the statement, that would be great. (The original question to him was about fake money which by the way i dont think Rocknrolla users fake money) How ever i would like him to get involved in the responsible gambling side of the debate from the original post. 

 

haha ah mate it wasn't really that, I have no problem with it normally as all it does is give me another chance to prove its real, it was more I'm just not really enjoying it all at the moment mainly because affiliation is ruining it all. Fake gamblers, buisness channels, fake streams, viewbots, I've even been offered money to host channels, its just all about the money for these people and its the fact I'm associated with them! I've gone onto a few channels/stream lately and they have just turned into pure promo and sales pitches, its sad!

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RocknRolla is a decent guy. Spoken with him a few times. The fact he has removed affiliate links tells us what he thinks and he's the biggest streamer around. 

If there's no problem then why would he do this? That's a question to streamers on here and those defending them by the way.

[Ban online casinostreaming]

5 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

RocknRolla is a decent guy. Spoken with him a few times. The fact he has removed affiliate links tells us what he thinks and he's the biggest streamer around. 

If there's no problem then why would he do this? That's a question to streamers on here and those defending them by the way.

@RyanMcSplooger Just noticed that as well no affiliate links or advertising what so ever wow what a step forward, CG streamers take note. 

 

Would like to get him involved in the responsible gambling debate from the original post as well though as he does have the biggest following and hopefully give some good feedback on how to improve things. Haven't had much luck from the streamers on here yet! 

[RyanMcSplooger]

2 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@RyanMcSplooger Just noticed that as well no affiliate links or advertising what so ever wow what a step forward, CG streamers take note. 

 

Would like to get him involved in the responsible gambling debate from the original post as well though as he does have the biggest following and hopefully give some good feedback on how to improve things. Haven't had much luck from the streamers on here yet! 

RocknRolla may actually get involved. He sent me a video reply when I was making anti affiliate videos. I don't think he associates much with the others though as by their shady practices they are giving him a bad name, probably why the affiliate links are gone. 

[QuietSlotter]

Hi all, 

I signed up simply to add to this thread, however I have been lurking around for some time.

My story/view:

I used to gamble a considerable amount, almost every day. That was my choice, and I alone can be blamed for that. I got into some financial difficulty because of the gambling, which meant I had to cut down on spending on other things. Was I addicted? No. I enjoy gambling... A lot. I chose to continue, despite the problems I was facing. Admittedly, I was not gambling to quite the extent, as I was struggling to pay off the debts I had built up. Again, this was my choice, no addiction. 

I was lucky however to win a slot jackpot (circa £165k), which I used to clear my debts, and did good things with the money.

I did put some of it back in over some months following, but not through addiction, but through choice. But I decided that I would almost completely give up gambling as I knew it could lead me to be in a bad situation again. So I chose to stop, well almost.

These days, I very rarely gamble, and never with money I cannot afford to lose. But what I do do, is watch streamers and their videos. Do I feel compelled to gamble when watching? Absolutely not. I choose not to gamble. I am in control of my mind.

You see, some people do suffer mental health issues, and that is sad and something that needs to be addressed. And these people would likely develop issues regardless of whether they watch streamers and/or their videos. That is something that is easily forgotten by those wishing to address what they perceive as the problems.

Take a person with mental health problems that goes on to shoot someone because of it. Would they have killed someone if they did not have a gun? Probably yes. Do all the millions of people who watch sports over and over suddenly all want to play those sports? Of course not. Gambling streams/videos are in a way similar. If someone is susceptible to developing a problem, they will very likely do it whatever the setting.

So back to me... I watch and enjoy streamers and their 'Big Win' videos. They make me smile, I love seeing the reactions. 

You know what?, If you were to campaign for the removal or restriction of casino streamers, that makes you no better than those who impose restrictions on what people can and cannot watch in countries like North Korea, just because you perceive that the effect of the media will be so much worse than the reality will ever actually be.

The CG streamers, to me, have all, always been very open about deposits, bonuses,  affiliation and both wins and losses. None of them, do I feel, have ever made me feel like they are trying to force me to signup or to gamble. Sure, they mention their links, but then so do video gamers who have affiliate links to buy the games they play. Ban them? Don't be silly.

My last point is this, and let me make this very, very clear: If you gamble, it is YOUR CHOICE! Period. If you gamble, you must at some level WANT to gamble. If you don't want to, or don't like gambling, you won't. It really is that simple.

Thanks for your time. 

[Slotplayer]

4 hours ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@Slotplayer you have admitted to having a gambling problem yes you did something to help you and control it, how ever a Gambling addition problem of any kind lasts a life time it is part of you you can never get rid of the illness it stays with you for the rest of your life that is a medical fact please research this. The first thing for any one with a problem how ever bad it is (Minor up to compulsive) is to understand that just like alcohol addition it will never ever go away. Even if you say "I can control it" This doesn't mean you dont have a gambling problem and I think you are a addict from speaking with you who is also in denial, The worst place to be my friend. 

Thanks but I know myself better than you know me.

I posted the definition of  gambling addiction. That is not me.

I find your post rather patronising and insulting so won't be responding to you anymore.

[Slotplayer]

3 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

RocknRolla is a decent guy. Spoken with him a few times. The fact he has removed affiliate links tells us what he thinks and he's the biggest streamer around. 

If there's no problem then why would he do this? That's a question to streamers on here and those defending them by the way.

So how does taking the affiliate links help the problem gambler that still is watching the streams taking into account that gambling streams are to be banned according to this topic and every viewer is an addict.

[RyanMcSplooger]

41 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

So how does taking the affiliate links help the problem gambler that still is watching the streams taking into account that gambling streams are to be banned according to this topic and every viewer is an addict.

If you take a look at a quote from him given by the OP he doesn't like how affiliates are giving sales pitches and turning it in to a business in disguise. If the biggest streamer around recognises the problem then why can't you?

[Slotplayer]

4 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

If you take a look at a quote from him given by the OP he doesn't like how affiliates are giving sales pitches and turning it in to a business in disguise. If the biggest streamer around recognises the problem then why can't you?

Ok so Paul doesn't agree with it. His opinion.

But the OP wants all streams banned. So how does taking away affiliate links solve that problem.

I highlighted the bits for you:

Which takes me onto my final point which no one has picked up in the media yet (hopefully i can change this) is the rise of the casino affiliate marketing boom, Online casino streamers using you tube and twitch, They are affiliates for the casinos and spend hours streaming and posting gambling content online with links in there adverts getting there vulnerable watchers to sign up to the casinos they are promoting. Posting there big wins online making people think its actually possible to win ! In my opnion this has to be looked into as it is predatory behavior and needs to be fully regulated or in my opinion stopped completely. They make there money by getting people to sign up to these casinos and then make more money when they lose it is such immoral behavior. Below is the list of the main online casino affiliate streamers that people in the UK get persuaded into signing up to through their links. Not to mention the irresponsible promoting of gambling for hours after hours every day and night ! . (on you tube and twitch)

Paul will continue to stream and all the addicts (your words) will still be watching him. I thought it was that you wanted stopped.

Or is the real agenda here that as long you don't make money off the back of the streams/videos you are more than happy to continue to feed the addicts?

[Lokus]

@RyanMcSplooger according to slotplayer streamers have no part in people having a addictions, much the same ethics the drugdealers have, people are accountable for there own actions. What a Nice world we live in. 

Lets not help eachother lets all just take advantage of each other in the most horrific ways possible. 

As long as my paycheck from the casinos comes in i dont care.

slotplayer Seems to be very naive to belive that...

[Slotplayer]

3 minutes ago, Lokus said:

@RyanMcSplooger according to slotplayer streamers have no part in people having a addictions, much the same ethics the drugdealers have, people are accountable for there own actions. What a Nice world we live in. 

Lets not help eachother lets all just take advantage of each other in the most horrific ways possible. 

As long as my paycheck from the casinos comes in i dont care.

slotplayer Seems to be very naive to belive that...

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said such a thing.