Guest Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 So, wondered if @Big Time Gaming official could explain the maths behind these gambles. So many players losing regularly at 90+% from audience/phone lifelines. An explanation would be great. Link to comment
Skylined87 Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 13 minutes ago, AyrshireCSC said: So, wondered if @Big Time Gaming official could explain the maths behind these gambles. So many players losing regularly at 90+% from audience/phone lifelines. An explanation would be great. That's a pretty easy one. If it shows 91% chance of winning, there's still 9% chance that you'll lose. Although 91% is quite high, it isn't 100% and people seem to "ignore" that, expecting to win at all times. Link to comment
Guest Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 1 minute ago, Skylined87 said: That's a pretty easy one. If it shows 91% chance of winning, there's still 9% chance that you'll lose. Although 91% is quite high, it isn't 100% and people seem to "ignore" that, expecting to win at all times. I'm quite confident their mathematical model will not be as simple....it will have to account for RTP as well. As stated elsewhere 83% loses more than 60% for a lot of players. Also, when you walk away it always gives the highest percentage as the correct answer, never anything else. Perhaps they can clear it up Link to comment
Skylined87 Posted 11 March, 2019 Share Posted 11 March, 2019 1 minute ago, AyrshireCSC said: I'm quite confident their mathematical model will not be as simple....it will have to account for RTP as well. As stated elsewhere 83% loses more than 60% for a lot of players. Also, when you walk away it always gives the highest percentage as the correct answer, never anything else. Perhaps they can clear it up Well it's plain simple. I believe it is required for the provider that if it's shown to the player 91% - 9%, or 50% - 50%, it has to be true in order to obtain license in major markets such as UK. Not doing so wouldn't bring any benefit to the providers. Slots are designed to take roughly 6-4% of every bet made, there's no need to further "rigg" the slots so to say. Link to comment
The Reel Story Posted 21 March, 2019 Share Posted 21 March, 2019 On 11/03/2019 at 13:28, Guest said: I'm quite confident their mathematical model will not be as simple....it will have to account for RTP as well. As stated elsewhere 83% loses more than 60% for a lot of players. Also, when you walk away it always gives the highest percentage as the correct answer, never anything else. Perhaps they can clear it up You kind of have that backwards. The RTP will take into account the gamble percentages. The RTP is not something that is set, it is something that is derived. You set up the game with the symbol frequencies on the reels, the payout sizes etc and then you run millions of simulations of the game playing and see what the RTP is. Then you modify your symbol frequencies and payout values if you need to move the RTP up or down. (you can also work out the RTP via mathematics, but that's very complicated, especially as games get more complicated. Most studio's will have a mathematician or two though for this reason). So in this case, the percentages shown will very likely be accurate, but the reality is you don't have enough data to be statistically significant about the frequency of 83% winning or losing. And all these things are skewed. People who lose on 90% will be annoyed and will come and post and yell about it. People who are successful won't. So you only hear the negative noise. 90% still means 1 in 10 people are losing that gamble. For every person who loses, there will be 9 others who win, but they stay quiet and enjoy their bonus. Unless you have millions of data points, the statistics are meaningless. You will get lucky people and you will get unlucky people and then you will get average people. Link to comment
Modnationx Posted 7 May, 2019 Share Posted 7 May, 2019 I hate this game actually ?? so many times i get a bonus and start with 8 spins, and it shows 90% on example A and it's c who has 13% so annoying but ye i get it, they have to profit on it. It's on my ban list with Bonanza, meduza jammin jars and many others ? Link to comment
MrGumbOoO Posted 8 May, 2019 Share Posted 8 May, 2019 8 hours ago, Modnationx said: I hate this game actually ?? so many times i get a bonus and start with 8 spins, and it shows 90% on example A and it's c who has 13% so annoying but ye i get it, they have to profit on it. It's on my ban list with Bonanza, meduza jammin jars and many others ? If it shows 90% on A and 13% on C then I would contact the legal department ? Link to comment
Modnationx Posted 12 May, 2019 Share Posted 12 May, 2019 On 08/05/2019 at 10:11, MrGumbOoO said: If it shows 90% on A and 13% on C then I would contact the legal department ? ?? Link to comment
JWHOLLAND Posted 11 October, 2019 Share Posted 11 October, 2019 On 11/03/2019 at 14:07, Guest said: So, wondered if @Big Time Gaming official could explain the maths behind these gambles. So many players losing regularly at 90+% from audience/phone lifelines. An explanation would be great. Please extend your knowledge on this subject: theory of infinite numbers.. RTP is the percentage that is returned after infinite plays. Practical example (in valid casino, with correct odds) if playing roulette, betting either red or black, after 99 times consecutive hitting red, would you increase chances by gambling on black? Again if odds are genuine ( no tempering ect) No.. stil 50/50. It can hit a million times red consecutive, but if played infinite amount of times, it will show equal odds eventually, it might only appear to have different odds, within timeframe observered. If a player hits the jackpot after first spin, his RTP can be 1000x then wagered, but if you would continue play for years, its likely to drop. Link to comment
MrGumbOoO Posted 11 October, 2019 Share Posted 11 October, 2019 On 12/05/2019 at 18:39, Modnationx said: ?? If it shows 90% on A and 13% on C then that's 103% already without B and D involved hence contact the legal department for them scamming the hell out of you I suspect they weren't accurate numbers though Link to comment
JWHOLLAND Posted 11 October, 2019 Share Posted 11 October, 2019 18 minutes ago, MrGumbOoO said: If it shows 90% on A and 13% on C then that's 103% already without B and D involved hence contact the legal department for them scamming the hell out of you I suspect they weren't accurate numbers though Are the A B C D related? if not. And current RTP percentage of account , does not indicate improved chances of winning in the short term what so ever. You might win next 100 rounds so in increases, bit is can also take 1000+ bets after it goes up. After infinite rounds, it should be what they claim. Please note that RTP % is for every single bet, and does not relate or change between bets. Previous outcome, does not affect next bet. ( if they play by the rules) Link to comment
Modnationx Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 7 hours ago, MrGumbOoO said: If it shows 90% on A and 13% on C then that's 103% already without B and D involved hence contact the legal department for them scamming the hell out of you I suspect they weren't accurate numbers though It's just a game bro, and obviously it's a mistake if this is true, do you have a screenshot of this to prove it? 1 minute ago, Modnationx said: It's just a game bro, and obviously it's a mistake if this is true, do you have a screenshot of this to prove it? In my honest opinion if they really wanted to scam someone it wouldn't be on a % mistake ? you wouldn't notice it if they really wanted to. Link to comment
MrGumbOoO Posted 12 October, 2019 Share Posted 12 October, 2019 Why would I have a screenshot You were the one who said you had them percentages earlier in the thread ? Link to comment
Modnationx Posted 13 October, 2019 Share Posted 13 October, 2019 On 12/10/2019 at 09:43, MrGumbOoO said: Why would I have a screenshot You were the one who said you had them percentages earlier in the thread ? Ok Link to comment
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