1765 spins on Madame destiny Megaways without feature

Stefaldo3

Stefaldo3

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I have just done 1765 spins on Madame destiny megaways with the ANTE bet ON And did not hit one.single.feature. Not one! How is this even legal? Pragmatic games are made for streamers and bonus buys. If you can’t do bonus buys, like me, (UK Resident) then you are especially climbing an uphill battle.  I have done thousands and thousands of spins on this game and had LOTS of bonuses in the past and I can count on one hand the amount of times I have had a feature over 8x. Such a scammy disgusting game it needs investigating ASAP. 95% of the bonuses you get pay less than 25x. Joke game. 

 
casio said:
Do you complain when you get a bonus on the first spin on a slot? 
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Are you honestly trying to suggest that getting a bonus on your first spin happens on a regular occasion? No, it doesn’t. I am within my right to complain when you do over 1700 spins with a double feature bet on and you don’t land a feature. I have played slots for many many years and I am fully aware of the negative equity these slots provide. I Do not always expect to win, infact, I rarely expect to win, as is the case a massive chunk of the time. So instead of a halfwitted response like “ Do YoU CoMPlain WhEn yoU GEt a BonuS oN Da firsT Spin” how’s about actually thinking about why I am making the complaint in the first place. I When you are staking and extra 20% of your wager on a double chance feature bet, that means you should theoretically be landing a feature at LEAST 20% more than you would without it. So when you don’t have the ante bet on this would make it extremely unlikely that you will land that same very feature. How many spins would it take to land that feature without ante bet? 3000? 6000? 20000? Who knows because the math doesn’t add up. Of course there is variance at play and again, being a poker player for a lot of years, I more than understand being on the bad side of variance. But with slots variance should always be lower than table games. Am I supposed to believe that the algorithm is random? Not a chance! 

 
Hey I am sorry to read that you have had a long stretch of not getting a bonus on Madame Destiny megaways.
 

Stefaldo3 said:
Of course there is variance at play and again, being a poker player for a lot of years, I more than understand being on the bad side of variance. But with slots variance should always be lower than table games.
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You might mean variance measured in absolute amounts, assuming that table games are generally played on higher bet sizes.

Or maybe you don't know how big the variances are.
Generally I would say that variance of slots is much higher than variance of table games.

The variance of some casino table games:
Baccarat banker, player σ2 about 0,86
Blackjack, σ2 about 1,32
Roulette, straight number σ2 about 34

For slots, the variance stated by slot providers or other sources typically only say the scale, low-medium-high or 1-10,
without specifying the real numbers.
There are variance tables to be found on the internet from casino or affiliate websites, I don't want to link to those,
and some scientists have computed the variance of casino slots based on freedom of information act.
( see table 2 of next link for a casino slot with  σ2 = 40:  http://jgi.camh.net/index.php/jgi/article/view/3811/3825  )

The variance of single number roulette  σ2 = 34 would  considered to be 'low to medium' or 'medium' for a slot.

Madame Destiny Megaways has according to Pragmatic a 5/5 lightning symbols volatility.
The σ2 variance is probably around or above 100.

Some slot providers give the bonus frequency of slots but Pragmatic is not one of them.

Wish you a swift and huge bonus for the next time.
 

 
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I don't believe most new games have truly random spins anymore (like the code makes a call to some database that spits out a random spin). I think game providers instead do some shady shit where you load into good sessions or bad ones.., like no matter how many spins you make there are just some sessions where they won't give you a bonus and if you're lucky you load into a session that is predetermined to be a profitable one.

One way to see this in action is watching a degenerate streamer like trainwreckstv who can sit at a slot for hours on end without a single bonus. 

I notice it a lot with playngo games. If you start a session on playngo and if you havent hit a bonus within 100-200 spins chances are you won't hit it. and even if you did somehow hit a bonus on like your 500th spin the bonus is always crap. However some sessions you can hit a bonus within 10 spins andt he game will just go on this profit spree up to a certain point then it will die again. Its like they program these predetermined blocks of sessions to better control the 'experience'. 

Also a side note too about playngo. If you ever hit massive on one of their games, every other game you go to will be dry as fook until those winnings go back. I hear they have the most player tracking of any provider and I believe it. If you don't believe me go try it. Play playngo games, hit anything over 300x and then go jump around to more of their other games and I guarantee you won't bonus or win on anything until you practically give that money back and more.

 
dirtystack said:
You should try piggy riches Megaways, trying to hit a bonus on that will drive you insane.
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I have played piggy riches megaways many times and yes, it is an absolute bitch to bonus! But, saying that, I’ve actually had a couple of really good bonuses on that game. It’s probably one of the only red tiger megaways games I don’t actually mind playing. 

 
The Macho Man said:
I don't believe most new games have truly random spins anymore (like the code makes a call to some database that spits out a random spin). I think game providers instead do some shady shit where you load into good sessions or bad ones.., like no matter how many spins you make there are just some sessions where they won't give you a bonus and if you're lucky you load into a session that is predetermined to be a profitable one.

One way to see this in action is watching a degenerate streamer like trainwreckstv who can sit at a slot for hours on end without a single bonus. 

I notice it a lot with playngo games. If you start a session on playngo and if you havent hit a bonus within 100-200 spins chances are you won't hit it. and even if you did somehow hit a bonus on like your 500th spin the bonus is always crap. However some sessions you can hit a bonus within 10 spins andt he game will just go on this profit spree up to a certain point then it will die again. Its like they program these predetermined blocks of sessions to better control the 'experience'. 

Also a side note too about playngo. If you ever hit massive on one of their games, every other game you go to will be dry as fook until those winnings go back. I hear they have the most player tracking of any provider and I believe it. If you don't believe me go try it. Play playngo games, hit anything over 300x and then go jump around to more of their other games and I guarantee you won't bonus or win on anything until you practically give that money back and more.
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Totally agree with you about PlaynGo games, However I have not really noticed your theory on how you have a win over 200X then will lose it on other playnGo games but I absolutely do not doubt what you say. I too believe that there is some kind of IP address lottery when you make your deposit and if you are chosen to win, you will win. Now, don’t get me wrong, I have had some outstanding wins over the past 24 months. I’ve had Numerous  2000-3000x wins on millionaire megaways, I have had 3600x on star clusters, and My biggest win came 6 months ago 4600x on one spin on safecracker megaways. These are just a few I can name I’ve had other big wins and actually had some great upswings. BUT, all of these sessions seemed almost to easy! Any game I played at the time of these sessions would pay, almost like you knew it was inevitable that you were going to get a cash out. I really struggle to believe that it is all based on a simple RNG with a random algorithm and that you just so happen to be on the good side of variance. Pragmatic games can be great as they can pay huge...but I don’t agree with this ante bet feature where you can risk and extra 20% with a 50% extra chance of hitting the feature...there has got to be a catch. I have found that about 95% of Madame destiny features pay less than 75x and about 10% pay 100x. It is extremely rare to win above 150x again, I am just going off my experience with this slot since it’s release and it is one game I have relentlessly span on...probably because I had a huge win on it when it first came out. But my conclusion is you are for SURE fighting an uphill battle with this slot..you are with all slots, but this I game is true insanity. 

anonymousapple said:
Respin circus says hi 
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That game has been on my ban list for over a year. Will never play it again. Lol

 
I have my own theory base on playing some games from btg pragmatic nolimit and doa from netent. If u aproach about 500spins without bonus u r loged in lost session and propably u will need another 500spins for bonus with terrible return like 10x. What i do now is if play bonanza, money train or doa and reach over 399spins im closing down and open new session. And for some reason on most occasions the frequency of bonuses goes to 3 or 4 per 100spuns(especially doa or dhv). 

Btw. Madame destiny and pigi richess megaways i was lucky to trigger features with 1spin only but its almost like win lottery i think

 
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