ban online casino streamers

[TechnoJoe]

I do sincerely hope that none of your family or closest friends ever gets inflicted with any kind of addiction. Just the thought someone being around their closest relationships and believing that they are lesser people and weak is a sad thought.

I have no idea what being a compulsive gambler is like but my believe is that the "crack cocaine of gambling"(online slots) is just that to a person with addictive gambling personality. The accounts of compulsive gamblers are always the same, I truly wanted to stop but I had no control over my brain nor my body. Studies also show that gambling for any person changes the chemical balance in the brain. For those who are depressive, manic or compulsive they show a chemical imbalance that are like something we have never seen in other non-drug addictions. 

If you have the time I can really recommend and article from the Atlantic, https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2016/12/losing-it-all/505814/ 

It's a well-written article with interesting stories. It's a good read even for persons that are not interested in this kind of gambling or any gambling.

Yes you really should use the Multi-quote option as writing seven posts and some with only one sentence really disrupt the flow of conversation.

I find it curious that when you compile the list over persons you believe are in the "anti brigade". You either doesn't include me or you don't think my opinion on the matter lands somewhere in the middle. If its the former then you shouldn't be surprised that if you compile a list with those who have the most extreme views you will not find a compromise within that list. If it's the latter I'm curious how my stance that Youtube and Twitch should block gambling related content from viewers that doesn't have an account and give those who have an account the ability to block gambling related content themselves doesn't qualify as an compromise. This is not something you can implement, but streamers and viewers could work together to push the companies into implementing it. 

Yes parents do have a responsibility for their children but they cant watch over them all day ever day. Parents should be able to feel secure that businesses  doesn't target their children for monetary gains(when it comes to adult entertainment), maybe you haven't read the story about "TmarTn" that created an online gambling site using skins from CSGO as currency. He deceived his audience with youtube videos showing big wins on that site not disclosing that he owned it, furthermore his audience was young and the majority was 13-16 years old. Then we have Valve who maintained the bots and the market system to let underage customers to gamble on these sites. To have a stance that neither of these entities would have any responsibility on their actions with the knowledge that they are making money on supplying gambling to 13 year old's are absurd to me.

Yes it is completely possible to gain skins with extreme value without using their parents credit cards, so saying that the parents should be able and control this solely on the reason that a credit card would have to be used for purchasing skins is not valid.

I would use the multi quote function, but it makes the individual post far too long, arduous, and just a chore, like the one I've just quoted - didnt get half way through yours - seems like you read all of mines.  Funny eh?

 

[TechnoJoe]

Your replies are childish and you have zero credibility. There's ways of talking to people, regardless of how passionate you are (either side). You sound like an idiot.

Dont you have a stream to dislike or something - go find Paul D and you can do it together, just dont mention each others name.

 

[Alan_smith]

Ryan im really surprised to find you here banging on about affiliation.  I remember you bragging about how you earned thousands every month through product affiliation.  If you done a bit of research you would know that leading experts are concerned shopping addiction is fast becoming  a bigger problem than alcohol, drugs and GAMBLING!!! With it affecting up to 10% of the population and it leading to debt,family break ups, depression and even suicide.  Go and google it and you will see im not making it up

 

[RyanMcSplooger]

Ryan im really surprised to find you here banging on about affiliation.  I remember you bragging about how you earned thousands every month through product affiliation.  If you done a bit of research you would know that leading experts are concerned shopping addiction is fast becoming  a bigger problem than alcohol, drugs and GAMBLING!!! With it affecting up to 10% of the population and it leading to debt,family break ups, depression and even suicide.  Go and google it and you will see im not making it up

That's right Alan. I ran a website which found very low cost items from Amazon. No product cost more than £20. Can't see many people killing themselves over an 80% saving on hair straighteners and such to be fair. Unless the prices were just too incredibly low and shocked them to death. I once found a free vacuum on there after you applied a coupon and posted it. Maybe that's what finished them off.

Seriously people try to use ANYTHING against me. In this thread there is accusations of me disliking videos on multiple accounts. Yesterday I was accused of extortion (yes, you heard correctly) and telling people to report accounts using multiple aliases, I also get accused of being troll every day. I wonder who this Alan Smith is? I can guarantee that's not his name and is just another maniac troll who follows me around on the internet trying to intimidate me. Like I said, the community is toxic.

 

[Casinomon]

Seriously people try to use ANYTHING against me

And yet, I find you alone trying to use anything against the streamers. And I must say that you, as an individual, targeting a group of people and with them their supporters, accusing them of various stuff in a open forum. The least you can expect is getting the same treatment back, only that I might imagine it stings a bit more since it´s now concentrated on one person. 

This is probably gonna go on for a while without leading to anything constructive at all. Imagine if you were putting all this energy into talking to the behind programs like slot tracker and similar, maybe it would possible to let user configure the program in such way so that you can set limits or even  have the program to react on your betting pattern and losses, identying a tilting player and pop up some warning or even more than that?

I just took this out of the air now, it´s maybe not a good idea at all. But already I find the suggestion alone more constructive in terms of achieving what you seem to care so much about, reducing problematic gambling. It´s something you can build upon without any real room to start accusing eachother and fighting about stuff. 

Edit: 

Imagine if you were putting all this energy...........

By this I meant myself and everyone else involved in a thread like this, not just you personally 

 

[RyanMcSplooger]

And yet, I find you alone trying to use anything against the streamers. And I must say that you, as an individual, targeting a group of people and with them their supporters, accusing them of various stuff in a open forum. The least you can expect is getting the same treatment back, only that I might imagine it stings a bit more since it´s now concentrated on one person. 

This is probably gonna go on for a while without leading to anything constructive at all. Imagine if you were putting all this energy into talking to the behind programs like slot tracker and similar, maybe it would possible to let user configure the program in such way so that you can set limits or even  have the program to react on your betting pattern and losses, identying a tilting player and pop up some warning or even more than that?

I just took this out of the air now, it´s maybe not a good idea at all. But already I find the suggestion alone more constructive in terms of achieving what you seem to care so much about, reducing problematic gambling. It´s something you can build upon without any real room to start accusing eachother and fighting about stuff. 

Edit: 

By this I meant myself and everyone else involved in a thread like this, not just you personally 

I have been campaigning behind the scenes to the relevant governing bodies about this for around 3 or 4 months. I am campaigning to protect problem gamblers yet I get a tirade of abuse and death threats sent to my immediate family, which made me take my videos down off YouTube. 

I'm also for the implementation of a gambling ID card. One which limits your deposits universally, from land based casino to bookmakers and online casinos. Call it a gateway in which you must enter ID before you place a bet/login. This to stop people depositing at various places after going over their deposit limit and self excluding from a certain bookmaker/casino.

 

[Slotplayer]

I have been campaigning behind the scenes to the relevant governing bodies about this for around 3 or 4 months. I am campaigning to protect problem gamblers yet I get a tirade of abuse and death threats sent to my immediate family, which made me take my videos down off YouTube. 

I'm also for the implementation of a gambling ID card. One which limits your deposits universally, from land based casino to bookmakers and online casinos. Call it a gateway in which you must enter ID before you place a bet/login. This to stop people depositing at various places after going over their deposit limit and self excluding from a certain bookmaker/casino.

Well that card and the global self exclusion database coming up will certainly help those that can't control their gambling and the sooner either or both are implemented the better as far as I am concerned.

I am all for protecting the problem gambler but I don't believe those that can control their gambling should suffer because of it.

 

[allr]

I throw in my 2 cents aswell. This might be messy, since my mind is messy.

I would call myself an addict, i managed to join hundreds of casinoes, long before the streamers came, just by typing "new casino" in the browser. And that is one of the problems, its way to easy joining new casinoes, whats the point in self exclusion, if you can just open a new account in a new casino. (I dont know how many are as bad as me, but i have litterally opened hundreds of accounts, often just to get 20fs no deposit.)

It really should be so that the self exlusion counts for all casinoes, and casinoes shouldnt speculate in problem gamblers cancelling theire withdrawals, etc.. This is not a industry with very high morals, they do very much to increase their profits and decrease their expences. who wouldnt.

On an other hand, you shouldnt just say that people with gambling problem should just be strong and manage it them self, if the casinoes act in a predatory way, there should be ways  to limit their ways and income. I just dont believe streamers is where to put the finger on the problem.

The streamers should be open about it if they stream to try make a living out of it, but i dont see how that is wrong, like any other trying to make a living through social media.

I stopped watching most of the streamers, because i find it a bit shady pushing those affiliate links, and because i gambled away all my food money for the ninth month in a row and needed i break. I mean, if you do it just for the fun, why push those links, just say that you are in it for money.

The problem lays with the casinoes, the person with a problem and not the streamers. 

So my points are

1.  It should be harder for casinoes to exploit peoples weaknesses

2: A slot addict will allways find a way to play slots and it really is up to that person/me to take care of the problem

3. Streamers should be open if they actually make a living streaming slots

Thats my 2 cents - peace     -Allreven

 

[RyanMcSplooger]

I throw in my 2 cents aswell. This might be messy, since my mind is messy.

I would call myself an addict, i managed to join hundreds of casinoes, long before the streamers came, just by typing "new casino" in the browser. And that is one of the problems, its way to easy joining new casinoes, whats the point in self exclusion, if you can just open a new account in a new casino. (I dont know how many are as bad as me, but i have litterally opened hundreds of accounts, often just to get 20fs no deposit.)

It really should be so that the self exlusion counts for all casinoes, and casinoes shouldnt speculate in problem gamblers cancelling theire withdrawals, etc.. This is not a industry with very high morals, they do very much to increase their profits and decrease their expences. who wouldnt.

On an other hand, you shouldnt just say that people with gambling problem should just be strong and manage it them self, if the casinoes act in a predatory way, there should be ways  to limit their ways and income. I just dont believe streamers is where to put the finger on the problem.

The streamers should be open about it if they stream to try make a living out of it, but i dont see how that is wrong, like any other trying to make a living through social media.

I stopped watching most of the streamers, because i find it a bit shady pushing those affiliate links, and because i gambled away all my food money for the ninth month in a row and needed i break. I mean, if you do it just for the fun, why push those links, just say that you are in it for money.

The problem lays with the casinoes, the person with a problem and not the streamers. 

So my points are

1.  It should be harder for casinoes to exploit peoples weaknesses

2: A slot addict will allways find a way to play slots and it really is up to that person/me to take care of the problem

3. Streamers should be open if they actually make a living streaming slots

Thats my 2 cents - peace     -Allreven

I certainly don't mind this opinion at all. The streamers are being allowed to do this so the issue really isn't with them, they have just been taken over by greed and once they started to see the money to be made its easy to be very defensive and to shut their eyes and pretend that addicts are not watching. 

I take issue with number 2 though. For me personally I was gamble free for 3 and a half years and only deposited again after viewing these videos. I won't be alone. I do accept responsibility for my own actions but this type of content to an addict is extremely destructive. 

I wish you well to stop gambling (if that's what you're hoping to achieve)

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

Ok so Paul doesn't agree with it. His opinion.

But the OP wants all streams banned. So how does taking away affiliate links solve that problem.

I highlighted the bits for you:

Which takes me onto my final point which no one has picked up in the media yet (hopefully i can change this) is the rise of the casino affiliate marketing boom, Online casino streamers using you tube and twitch, They are affiliates for the casinos and spend hours streaming and posting gambling content online with links in there adverts getting there vulnerable watchers to sign up to the casinos they are promoting. Posting there big wins online making people think its actually possible to win ! In my opnion this has to be looked into as it is predatory behavior and needs to be fully regulated or in my opinion stopped completely. They make there money by getting people to sign up to these casinos and then make more money when they lose it is such immoral behavior. Below is the list of the main online casino affiliate streamers that people in the UK get persuaded into signing up to through their links. Not to mention the irresponsible promoting of gambling for hours after hours every day and night ! . (on you tube and twitch)

Paul will continue to stream and all the addicts (your words) will still be watching him. I thought it was that you wanted stopped.

Or is the real agenda here that as long you don't make money off the back of the streams/videos you are more than happy to continue to feed the addicts?

Personally i would like Rocknrolla banned as well nothing against him but as far as casino streamers go he isnt as predatory with the pushing of sign ups, casino advertising links, special offers etc etc as the CG streamers. But as stated many times no casino streamer is a responsible gambler or promotes responsible gambling hopefully clears up that point.

 

[Slotplayer]

denial, The worst place to be my friend. 

I am no friend of yours. Who the fuck are you to tell me I am in denial?

Sussed it out now - you are just a troll so will definitely ignore you from now on.

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

I'm very sorry, but if you are a gambling addict (to the point where it affects your life and disposable income adversely, family etc) then you are absolutely weak imo.

Gambling online or land based is like every other product out there - we can choose whether we purchase it or not! I enjoy that freedom of choice.

@TechnoJoe sorry you are so wrong, anyone who openly talks about gambling addiction should be applauded and not be called weak and worthless etc. I would say the opposite and applauded anyone who has a problem and is talking about it and dealing with it. Please dont tell me you stream with this attitude towards problem gamblers ? 

If so what casinos do you represent ? 

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

How will this be accomplished?  Lets say the UK bans casino streaming (which they wont, because it cant be effected properly) - well the casino streamer will just stream to the other 194 countries in the world.  Banning streaming is a futile venture. Is every government on earth going to band together to ban casimo streaming world wide - no.  streaming will continue, because unless access to the internet is completely prohibited in your country then it will always be accessible.

The EU is 28 countries so that's that lot taken care off in one go. 

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

I know fine well its legal, never said it wasnt.  I also know it will take a big incident to stop streamers ie someone harming themselves through gambling addiction and there parents coming out and saying yeah he watched streamers for 3 hours a day. .  Its immoral though.  Your promoting a product that is potentially causing people to end up with all types of financial problems.  If you can do that then thats upto you.    Adults make there own choices yes but your potentially drawing addicts back in. That is a fact.

@TommyBhoy you know it, This is when shit will hit the fan like never before headline news on the BBC and around the world, Personally I think then it is game over for this rubbish.

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

That's right Alan. I ran a website which found very low cost items from Amazon. No product cost more than £20. Can't see many people killing themselves over an 80% saving on hair straighteners and such to be fair. Unless the prices were just too incredibly low and shocked them to death. I once found a free vacuum on there after you applied a coupon and posted it. Maybe that's what finished them off.

Seriously people try to use ANYTHING against me. In this thread there is accusations of me disliking videos on multiple accounts. Yesterday I was accused of extortion (yes, you heard correctly) and telling people to report accounts using multiple aliases, I also get accused of being troll every day. I wonder who this Alan Smith is? I can guarantee that's not his name and is just another maniac troll who follows me around on the internet trying to intimidate me. Like I said, the community is toxic.

@RyanMcSplooger this has really opened my eyes up to this industry and the sorts of people involved are quite unbelievable. 

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

I have been campaigning behind the scenes to the relevant governing bodies about this for around 3 or 4 months. I am campaigning to protect problem gamblers yet I get a tirade of abuse and death threats sent to my immediate family, which made me take my videos down off YouTube. 

I'm also for the implementation of a gambling ID card. One which limits your deposits universally, from land based casino to bookmakers and online casinos. Call it a gateway in which you must enter ID before you place a bet/login. This to stop people depositing at various places after going over their deposit limit and self excluding from a certain bookmaker/casino.

@RyanMcSplooger that is a great idea. 

 

[Ban online casinostreaming]

I am no friend of yours. Who the fuck are you to tell me I am in denial?

Sussed it out now - you are just a troll so will definitely ignore you from now on.

@Slotplayer respect your decision if you dont want to continue the discussion with me. But i do disagree that i have been a troll in any way and all the discussions i have had are about my personal opinions with other peoples personal opinions and I have had far more abuse given to me for just raising a issue that a lot of other people have with the industry. (By the way im not easily offended in any way so dont mind the abuse its more interacting)  

 

[Slotplayer]

@Casinomon plenty people have a problem with u lot, a tilting player? Like the streamers? Amazed the doughnut streamers are comparing amazon afilliation to casino affiliation!

@Slotplayershowing ur true colours with ur bad language!

I think I asked you before to look in the mirror. Clearly you haven't done that as yet.

I will now leave this topic to die. I was almost the only streamer to contribute and willing to make changes but will now retreat and mind my own business.

Adios all.

 

[TechnoJoe]

The EU is 28 countries so that's that lot taken care off in one go. 

Eh, not for long - Brrrrrexit

 

[TechnoJoe]

@TechnoJoe sorry you are so wrong, anyone who openly talks about gambling addiction should be applauded and not be called weak and worthless etc. I would say the opposite and applauded anyone who has a problem and is talking about it and dealing with it. Please dont tell me you stream with this attitude towards problem gamblers ? 

If so what casinos do you represent ? 

I dont stream

I dont rep any casino's

I didnt say worthless, please don't put words in my mouth 

Allowing gambling to become an addiction is weak minded (in my opinion)