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1 minute ago, Villee said:

It is actually really easy to check it. I can also go to Roobet and check it.

I found it, it is 94% which I guess isn't the absolute worst, but it's problematic when I was told they have the highest RTP and it's 96%.

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts
33 minutes ago, Orzabot said:

For sure when i come home, i will also make a video on how to do it. It is very easy to check. But first a corona test ?

I managed to figure it out myself. Play n Go is at 94%, which I know doesn't seem as horrid as the casino you played on, but over the long-term it is painful compared to 96%. I was under the assumption it would be at 96% based on their personal representation of the slot RTP's. I am fairly upset as I have wagered 1.5 million on their site and surely it cost me money over that amount of spins. Lesson learned.

1 hour ago, Villee said:

Great post. The streamers/youtbers I have watched on Roobet or other crypto currency sites they often show when they withdrawing to show that it is legit money. And some say to their audience for example “I have 10k$ which 1,5k$ I deposited myself and the other is sponsored, but I can only keep 15% of total wining”. I know where you getting and I agree with you, but I think some youtubers/streamers maybe are trustful, but maybe not the site is. I don’t know so much about this topic just wanted to share my thoughts.

If they are representing a site that is not transparent and trustful, then they themselves are not trustful. I guess the transparency of playing with house money takes off the sting a bit for the viewer, but it doesn't mean that what they are doing is okay. It just means they are honest about their bad behavior. Just my opinion

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts
31 minutes ago, Orzabot said:

Great post. I don't know if you knew this already, but you check the rtp on play n go slots in chrome, by using the inspect tool. I have myself caught a casino claiming they had the 96% rtp version of book of Dead, but when i checked it my self it was the 84% version. 

 

Haz_Casino_Online___Online_Casino_Google_Chrome_21-08-2020_15_12_54.png

Screenshot_20200820_212447_com.android.chrome.jpg

Thank you for the information, but someone as technically challenged as I am, would you be able to possibly check the play n go slots, even just 1, for me on Roobet?

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts

Hi everyone,

I am a somewhat long time follower of slot streamers and someone who plays quite often. My issue with Roobet is the amount of lies I've been told through their support. As a "VIP" on their site, I am able to have direct access to their "VIP chat support", so I've asked all of the standard questions about RTP, etc. They utilize a lower RTP on their pragmatic slots and it's my fault for not checking them with the actual slot sooner and taking the word of support. In their words, "we have a 96% RTP average on our slots". This can't possibly be true when the RTP on their pragmatic games averages 93-94% and they refuse to list the RTP for their play'n go slots. So, that in itself is a huge lie.

My second issue, is the way they advertise their site with streamers. (Xposed, TCK, and Foss just to name a few of the fake money guys) These guys are given "Howie Deals". I know many of them pretty well through twitch interaction and I would guess over half of them are playing from the US (restricted country). Basically they play with house money to stream or make YouTube videos. I have no issues with streamers being able to use bonuses that most of us aren't able to get, but when they have absolutely ZERO skin in the game it really is unfair. It attracts players and gives a false image of what gambling really is. They see huge bets and massive wins, which may as well be played with demo money. For the streamers efforts, they are allowed to keep a small percentage of any wins. 

My last issue is this, I'm a US based player (I know I shouldn't be playing on a VPN so lets not get into that). I have told them I was in the US and using a VPN, and they aren't worried about it. I even asked that they close my account permanently bc the time I spent on site was too time consuming, which they did. Then I asked them to re-open my account when I got the itch again, and to my surprise, they did. The only reason I point this out is to show that they do not care whatsoever where the deposits come from, and do not care about the player at all. Which leads to a bigger point, if they can not or are unwilling to monitor their own guidelines set out by the license in which they are under, then they are likely to not be able to be trusted with your money. I know two players I have spoken with who were unable to withdrawal large sums of money even though they claim no maximum and instant crypto withdrawals. They were given the option to have very limited cashouts over a long period of time.

Take that information for what it's worth to you. I know I have made several mistakes and I hope that's not what you gain out of this post. The point of this post is to inform anyone who may consider playing with crypto to do a bit more research and go with a more secure, respected site to play. I typed it up rather quick so I'm sure I have many errors in this post, sorry about that.

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20 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

Yea because you just straight up assume garbage like that 

What an unpleasant mindset

I must say...

 

You’re certainly one of the streamers I was referring to in my post on the “streamer BS” thread in the complaint forum. You live in a tiny world of online casinos and have no understanding of the average player. You know, the ones that allow you to stream for a living. For most it’s a time to relax and zone out. The last thing most are going to do is read 6373827 walls of text in the T&C and the casinos know that.  The t&c’s are honest, and protect the casino. However, a lot of casinos abuse that for a quick grab. Any casino that doesn’t protect the average player from mistakingly breaking the terms shouldn’t EVER be promoted. It’s that simple. Guess what, if you are given free play at a live casino and try to play a restricted game, you can’t. Duh!! The machine won’t allow you. Some of you streamers are such terrible sales people. You should always be the advocate for your customer, and NEVER your employer. 

While I’m at it, @Nick  - I’m curious to know how beneficial it is for you personally when you collect “donations” for charity. You said in stream that you make the donation under your name. So, I’m only to assume you are using others charitable contributions as a tax write off? Either you are committing fraud, or you are collecting donations towards charity as a way to assist for personal gain. I have a huge problem with this. If you are going to collect charitable contributions you cannot claim them as your own (fraud). If you’re saying they are personal donations that you match and give to charity then it’s obvious you are drumming up extra donations under the guise of charity for personal gain. 

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8 hours ago, dirtystack said:

@Hehe333mp2 care to share the source of your wealth?

Oh, managing people and building companies.

Voicing the thoughts of society as a Whole.

Society.

Guess I’m a bit jaded but, as far as I am concerned, society has no moral high ground. Really see very little realised ideals. Just the same greed, self gratification and self hate that is distilled in the slots microcosm.
 

 

 

 

No, I do not care to share my source of wealth (I make a very good income and live a comfortable life - I’m not driving Ferrari’s and hopping on yachts). I suppose it doesn’t matter. I was simply pointing out that I am not jaded whatsoever towards gambling. It hasn’t created financial hardships, and the same goes for casino streamers. If I were, I don’t think I would be able to make a very unbiased assessment. 
 

My intention wasn’t to voice an opinion for society as a whole, but you don’t have to be very intelligent to realize that someone who makes money as a gambling affiliate isn’t going to be well respected or well looked upon in society. 
 

I agree that you can find a level of greed in a variety, if not every form of business. That greed however is not necessarily earmarked with insidious behavior like the topic we are discussing. Greed, in and of itself can be a fantastic motivator if used correctly. I really didn’t intend to engage in a back and forth with anyone, but I don’t want what I said to be misunderstood. So, I feel more or less compelled to clarify my thoughts whilst you attempt to poke holes. You can’t poke holes in an opinion by the way, but you’re certainly welcome to your own. 
 

Listen, I understand that what I stated could be offensive to an affiliate streamers “profession” but it wasn’t directed at anyone in particular. It was a blanket statement. The streaming business in regards to gambling is out of control. They’re far worse than the casinos themselves when it comes to painting an inaccurate picture of gambling. Not to mention, we have no idea what is genuine and what is not. They all make subtle jabs towards the others they aren’t in cahoots with. Then they pretend to be white knights in a business composed entirely of wolves. 

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1 hour ago, RichXTuta said:

This week's trolls have arrived, 10 seconds of airtime and onto the next... yawn...

I am quite certain I am one of those “trolls” that you’re referring to. I knew what I said was unpopular on this platform. That in itself, doesn’t make me a troll. I am 100% certain that if you step outside this microcosm of gamblers, I actually fall within the vast majority of society. 
 
Since I said what I said I should at least entertain your well thought out response. I made no accusations, nor did I place any blame. I firmly believe that people are responsible for their own actions. With that being said, if there were no dealers then only the worst addicts would seek. When there is one on every corner and readily available, the totality of addictions will inevitably increase. Why else would these casinos offer payment in form of bonuses and affiliation to streamers? There is a reason “street level dealers” (I use this analogy because it’s very close-most of them sell because they are supporting their own habit - seem familiar?) are so poorly thought of. 

I did make one assumption, (the lack of employable skill sets statement is the one I’m referring to) and I stand by it because I am quite certain I am qualified to do so, maybe not in all cases. It is based on many successful years of managing people and building companies.

However, your statement left rationale out, and implied a generic defensiveness. For the record, I don’t think streamers are “bad people” per se. At best, they are opportunist in denial; at worst, they are predatory soul-suckers.

My intent was not to be a “troll”. My intent was to speak the thoughts of the vast majority of our society on a platform to hopefully provide a bit of perspective. 

complaintsStreamers BS

It’s no secret that streamers/affiliates are the “street level drug dealers”.  It’s a low moral and 0 integrity way to make money. It has a negative impact on society as a whole. In essence, it’s 0 sum.

With that said, watching slots and playing them are my vice (I am independently well off from real life work and play far below my means). That doesn’t change mine or society’s lowly perspective on streamers as a whole, though. That’s why I purposely avoid using their links to support them in any way. 
 

I do believe that streaming slots is an incredibly predatory practice, for a variety of reasons. I am quite certain the gambling streams are a short term venture for those looking to capitalize on the market. 
 

To the original poster: You are your own worst enemy. Just because they feed it to you, you don’t have to eat it. Seek help. Get your life on track. 
 

To all of the affiliates/streamers: You can do and say whatever you want in regards to helping people with gambling addictions, but you have no moral compass. Zero. None. You are literally a tentacle of a casino. You have little to no employable talent or skill set, so you prey on weak individuals for your own monetary gain. Like I said, I enjoy watching some streamers, but it doesn’t change what you truly are. Have a good day everyone!!

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1 minute ago, Villee said:

It is actually really easy to check it. I can also go to Roobet and check it.

I found it, it is 94% which I guess isn't the absolute worst, but it's problematic when I was told they have the highest RTP and it's 96%.

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts
33 minutes ago, Orzabot said:

For sure when i come home, i will also make a video on how to do it. It is very easy to check. But first a corona test ?

I managed to figure it out myself. Play n Go is at 94%, which I know doesn't seem as horrid as the casino you played on, but over the long-term it is painful compared to 96%. I was under the assumption it would be at 96% based on their personal representation of the slot RTP's. I am fairly upset as I have wagered 1.5 million on their site and surely it cost me money over that amount of spins. Lesson learned.

1 hour ago, Villee said:

Great post. The streamers/youtbers I have watched on Roobet or other crypto currency sites they often show when they withdrawing to show that it is legit money. And some say to their audience for example “I have 10k$ which 1,5k$ I deposited myself and the other is sponsored, but I can only keep 15% of total wining”. I know where you getting and I agree with you, but I think some youtubers/streamers maybe are trustful, but maybe not the site is. I don’t know so much about this topic just wanted to share my thoughts.

If they are representing a site that is not transparent and trustful, then they themselves are not trustful. I guess the transparency of playing with house money takes off the sting a bit for the viewer, but it doesn't mean that what they are doing is okay. It just means they are honest about their bad behavior. Just my opinion

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts
31 minutes ago, Orzabot said:

Great post. I don't know if you knew this already, but you check the rtp on play n go slots in chrome, by using the inspect tool. I have myself caught a casino claiming they had the 96% rtp version of book of Dead, but when i checked it my self it was the 84% version. 

 

Haz_Casino_Online___Online_Casino_Google_Chrome_21-08-2020_15_12_54.png

Screenshot_20200820_212447_com.android.chrome.jpg

Thank you for the information, but someone as technically challenged as I am, would you be able to possibly check the play n go slots, even just 1, for me on Roobet?

complaintsRoobet - Secondary RTP/fake money streamers/bad actors/slow payouts

Hi everyone,

I am a somewhat long time follower of slot streamers and someone who plays quite often. My issue with Roobet is the amount of lies I've been told through their support. As a "VIP" on their site, I am able to have direct access to their "VIP chat support", so I've asked all of the standard questions about RTP, etc. They utilize a lower RTP on their pragmatic slots and it's my fault for not checking them with the actual slot sooner and taking the word of support. In their words, "we have a 96% RTP average on our slots". This can't possibly be true when the RTP on their pragmatic games averages 93-94% and they refuse to list the RTP for their play'n go slots. So, that in itself is a huge lie.

My second issue, is the way they advertise their site with streamers. (Xposed, TCK, and Foss just to name a few of the fake money guys) These guys are given "Howie Deals". I know many of them pretty well through twitch interaction and I would guess over half of them are playing from the US (restricted country). Basically they play with house money to stream or make YouTube videos. I have no issues with streamers being able to use bonuses that most of us aren't able to get, but when they have absolutely ZERO skin in the game it really is unfair. It attracts players and gives a false image of what gambling really is. They see huge bets and massive wins, which may as well be played with demo money. For the streamers efforts, they are allowed to keep a small percentage of any wins. 

My last issue is this, I'm a US based player (I know I shouldn't be playing on a VPN so lets not get into that). I have told them I was in the US and using a VPN, and they aren't worried about it. I even asked that they close my account permanently bc the time I spent on site was too time consuming, which they did. Then I asked them to re-open my account when I got the itch again, and to my surprise, they did. The only reason I point this out is to show that they do not care whatsoever where the deposits come from, and do not care about the player at all. Which leads to a bigger point, if they can not or are unwilling to monitor their own guidelines set out by the license in which they are under, then they are likely to not be able to be trusted with your money. I know two players I have spoken with who were unable to withdrawal large sums of money even though they claim no maximum and instant crypto withdrawals. They were given the option to have very limited cashouts over a long period of time.

Take that information for what it's worth to you. I know I have made several mistakes and I hope that's not what you gain out of this post. The point of this post is to inform anyone who may consider playing with crypto to do a bit more research and go with a more secure, respected site to play. I typed it up rather quick so I'm sure I have many errors in this post, sorry about that.

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20 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

Yea because you just straight up assume garbage like that 

What an unpleasant mindset

I must say...

 

You’re certainly one of the streamers I was referring to in my post on the “streamer BS” thread in the complaint forum. You live in a tiny world of online casinos and have no understanding of the average player. You know, the ones that allow you to stream for a living. For most it’s a time to relax and zone out. The last thing most are going to do is read 6373827 walls of text in the T&C and the casinos know that.  The t&c’s are honest, and protect the casino. However, a lot of casinos abuse that for a quick grab. Any casino that doesn’t protect the average player from mistakingly breaking the terms shouldn’t EVER be promoted. It’s that simple. Guess what, if you are given free play at a live casino and try to play a restricted game, you can’t. Duh!! The machine won’t allow you. Some of you streamers are such terrible sales people. You should always be the advocate for your customer, and NEVER your employer. 

While I’m at it, @Nick  - I’m curious to know how beneficial it is for you personally when you collect “donations” for charity. You said in stream that you make the donation under your name. So, I’m only to assume you are using others charitable contributions as a tax write off? Either you are committing fraud, or you are collecting donations towards charity as a way to assist for personal gain. I have a huge problem with this. If you are going to collect charitable contributions you cannot claim them as your own (fraud). If you’re saying they are personal donations that you match and give to charity then it’s obvious you are drumming up extra donations under the guise of charity for personal gain. 

complaintsStreamers BS
8 hours ago, dirtystack said:

@Hehe333mp2 care to share the source of your wealth?

Oh, managing people and building companies.

Voicing the thoughts of society as a Whole.

Society.

Guess I’m a bit jaded but, as far as I am concerned, society has no moral high ground. Really see very little realised ideals. Just the same greed, self gratification and self hate that is distilled in the slots microcosm.
 

 

 

 

No, I do not care to share my source of wealth (I make a very good income and live a comfortable life - I’m not driving Ferrari’s and hopping on yachts). I suppose it doesn’t matter. I was simply pointing out that I am not jaded whatsoever towards gambling. It hasn’t created financial hardships, and the same goes for casino streamers. If I were, I don’t think I would be able to make a very unbiased assessment. 
 

My intention wasn’t to voice an opinion for society as a whole, but you don’t have to be very intelligent to realize that someone who makes money as a gambling affiliate isn’t going to be well respected or well looked upon in society. 
 

I agree that you can find a level of greed in a variety, if not every form of business. That greed however is not necessarily earmarked with insidious behavior like the topic we are discussing. Greed, in and of itself can be a fantastic motivator if used correctly. I really didn’t intend to engage in a back and forth with anyone, but I don’t want what I said to be misunderstood. So, I feel more or less compelled to clarify my thoughts whilst you attempt to poke holes. You can’t poke holes in an opinion by the way, but you’re certainly welcome to your own. 
 

Listen, I understand that what I stated could be offensive to an affiliate streamers “profession” but it wasn’t directed at anyone in particular. It was a blanket statement. The streaming business in regards to gambling is out of control. They’re far worse than the casinos themselves when it comes to painting an inaccurate picture of gambling. Not to mention, we have no idea what is genuine and what is not. They all make subtle jabs towards the others they aren’t in cahoots with. Then they pretend to be white knights in a business composed entirely of wolves. 

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1 hour ago, RichXTuta said:

This week's trolls have arrived, 10 seconds of airtime and onto the next... yawn...

I am quite certain I am one of those “trolls” that you’re referring to. I knew what I said was unpopular on this platform. That in itself, doesn’t make me a troll. I am 100% certain that if you step outside this microcosm of gamblers, I actually fall within the vast majority of society. 
 
Since I said what I said I should at least entertain your well thought out response. I made no accusations, nor did I place any blame. I firmly believe that people are responsible for their own actions. With that being said, if there were no dealers then only the worst addicts would seek. When there is one on every corner and readily available, the totality of addictions will inevitably increase. Why else would these casinos offer payment in form of bonuses and affiliation to streamers? There is a reason “street level dealers” (I use this analogy because it’s very close-most of them sell because they are supporting their own habit - seem familiar?) are so poorly thought of. 

I did make one assumption, (the lack of employable skill sets statement is the one I’m referring to) and I stand by it because I am quite certain I am qualified to do so, maybe not in all cases. It is based on many successful years of managing people and building companies.

However, your statement left rationale out, and implied a generic defensiveness. For the record, I don’t think streamers are “bad people” per se. At best, they are opportunist in denial; at worst, they are predatory soul-suckers.

My intent was not to be a “troll”. My intent was to speak the thoughts of the vast majority of our society on a platform to hopefully provide a bit of perspective. 

complaintsStreamers BS

It’s no secret that streamers/affiliates are the “street level drug dealers”.  It’s a low moral and 0 integrity way to make money. It has a negative impact on society as a whole. In essence, it’s 0 sum.

With that said, watching slots and playing them are my vice (I am independently well off from real life work and play far below my means). That doesn’t change mine or society’s lowly perspective on streamers as a whole, though. That’s why I purposely avoid using their links to support them in any way. 
 

I do believe that streaming slots is an incredibly predatory practice, for a variety of reasons. I am quite certain the gambling streams are a short term venture for those looking to capitalize on the market. 
 

To the original poster: You are your own worst enemy. Just because they feed it to you, you don’t have to eat it. Seek help. Get your life on track. 
 

To all of the affiliates/streamers: You can do and say whatever you want in regards to helping people with gambling addictions, but you have no moral compass. Zero. None. You are literally a tentacle of a casino. You have little to no employable talent or skill set, so you prey on weak individuals for your own monetary gain. Like I said, I enjoy watching some streamers, but it doesn’t change what you truly are. Have a good day everyone!!