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Net Ent are the cancer of the slot industry, their games are vile, filthy pieces of shit that need to be buried as deep down as any human can possibly dig. They deserve to have all their licences revoked for the fucking trash they bring out, not only are the games shit in regards of potential, but the fact is they do not pay anywhere close to the stated rtp, this provider is a scam, a multi-billion dollar scam that have made their fortune from ripping off players and making these casinos more money than they should be allowed. Fuck you Net Ent, you are dogshit

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Although I agree that most of their new games have shit potential, and that NetEnt pretty much is dogshit, I'm curious as to how many millions of spins you've carefully logged to come to the conclusion that the RTP is incorrect. It would of course with a tiny bit of resources be really easy to prove that the RTP is incorrect (isn't there a site you can use to track slots on a bigger scale?). Like with any discussions about rigged casino, I have to say that the casinos and slot providers already make billions of dollars by legally ripping off (is it a rip off if the "victim" know it?) willing customers, and that risking getting caught and losing all business and credibility seems like a big risk to take. 

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6 minutes ago, Meowcat90 said:

Although I agree that most of their new games have shit potential, and that NetEnt pretty much is dogshit, I'm curious as to how many millions of spins you've carefully logged to come to the conclusion that the RTP is incorrect. It would of course with a tiny bit of resources be really easy to prove that the RTP is incorrect (isn't there a site you can use to track slots on a bigger scale?). Like with any discussions about rigged casino, I have to say that the casinos and slot providers already make billions of dollars by legally ripping off (is it a rip off if the "victim" know it?) willing customers, and that risking getting caught and losing all business and credibility seems like a big risk to take. 

The question you need to ask yourself is, have their slots ever played as stated, and who would we as individuals approach if we had the stats to show otherwise, because you approach any authority and immediately they give you the cold shoulder and say it's all regulated, their usual bollocks response. Do you really think the gambling authorities have any real power against a giant in an industry as big as this, no friggin way, the same way the mafia have power over the police, the world is corrupt my friend, and gambling is a mega money making industry with plenty of corrupt people.

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38 minutes ago, jchneo said:

The question you need to ask yourself is, have their slots ever played as stated, and who would we as individuals approach if we had the stats to show otherwise, because you approach any authority and immediately they give you the cold shoulder and say it's all regulated, their usual bollocks response. Do you really think the gambling authorities have any real power against a giant in an industry as big as this, no friggin way, the same way the mafia have power over the police, the world is corrupt my friend, and gambling is a mega money making industry with plenty of corrupt people.

If we had reliable stats to show that the real RTP is , the word would spread, and less players would play their slots, and the more reliable casinos would hesitate to partner with them, and NetEnt would lose a lot of money. Perhaps no authorities would take action, but it would be a major blow to them nonetheless. However, if these numbers existed, we would probably have seen them. NetEnt is by no means too big to fall, and  giving lower than stated RTP would be massively stupid and really easy to uncover. On most of their games (excluding the very most volatile ones, of which there are few) it would basically take a few weeks and a pocketful of euros where you do like 40-50k spins on a few different slots to get an ok overview of the RTP. It will take much more to get a really accurate number, but 40-50k on a low volatile slot should suffice to get an indication that "they do not pay anywhere close to the stated rtp". If you can manage to do this and get us some numbers, along with some documentation that it's actually been done, then we can work on taking them down. It should be a small price to pay to rid the world of one of its pools of corruption.

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5 hours ago, Nicola said:

Intresting thread :P

90% of NetEnt slots don't even work for me since December for some reason. All I get is a blank page no matter what browser I use.

You’re not missing out much Nicola ?

Not had a decent win on a NetENT slots in forever!

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14 hours ago, Nicola said:

Intresting thread :P

90% of NetEnt slots don't even work for me since December for some reason. All I get is a blank page no matter what browser I use.

Something to do with flash updates I think, as I had this problem for a short while but using Firefox and updating chrome seemed to do the trick. A bit of a clash between flash powered games and the newer HTML5 powered games seems to be happening at present.

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as dazza g said its the net ent variance most of the slots are egg timers.

by the time you get a bonus on them you are already way down on them and any potential bonus you get will never get you over your start, they have gone for flashy graphics and juvenile themes over anything resembling decent gameplay, who asked for a twin spin cluster play ????? had that been the twin spin theme version of queen of riches a little less volatile we all would be playing it

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Idk, Twin Spin (not the Deluxe one, the regular one. Deluxe is horse sh*t) in particular has given me a bunch of full screens over the last month so I can't complain. Every company decides for themselves what kinds of slots they're going to produce and NetEnt famously is at the very lower end of the volatility scale. Pretty much everybody knows this, so Idk what else people expect when they decide to play one of their slots. There are of course a few exceptions to their volatility scheme (hi DoA) but like Meowcat stated, it's highly unlikely that you have sufficient data to make a decent case that their slots are paying less than advertised. One more thing I wanna mention is that their latest releases have been very hit or miss in my eyes. For example I really enjoy Finn and I LOVE Planet of the Apes but especially Wolf Cub and Twin Spin Deluxe are abominations that beg for apocalypse. My 2 cents.

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15 hours ago, BoracicLint said:

I think Netent are one of the best out there,it just depends on the slot you are playing. I've never hit a win on some of them but often get decent bonuses on others.If your opinion of them is so skewed i'd suggest you use lower stakes or avoid them altogether. I think Quickspin are usually dog shit myself.

Dude seriously, how can anyone think Netent are one of the best, they are a disgrace, their graphics might be half decent and the designs of the slots, but the actual winning is near enough non existent, they have clearly designed these games to literally take from everyone, and somehow the RTP is as stated? no way, don't believe it one bit, they are a scam, better to stick with BTG and Novos, shit even quickspin treat you better.

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I used to like warlords too - the last of the good releases imo - I used to hit free spins too but not any more. I think that the share price is slipping and rather than put out a profit warning, they just drop the RTP so they can make up the shortfall from releasing so many dud games. 

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Basically, unless you're prepared to cash out slight profits or play really high bets, you shouldn't play low volatility slot. Personally I would never cash out less than 5x initial deposit, making the low volatile games completely pointless. They are made to make you bleed out, while high volatile slots are made to either execute you or make you king. Bleeding is really frustrating in slots (as well as in real life, I guess), and Netent and Quickspin are the masters of bleed.

I would still like to know how you presume this RTP manipulation occurs without people knowing. Another thing about really low volatile games, is that they are really predictable. While BTG probably could lower RTP on Bonanza by 10% without people noticing for a long time (as max win is enormous and people are used to go broke quickly anyway), this would be much harder to conceal in a game like Starburst, where a few thousand spins usually would be enough to get an ok picture of the real RTP. This is starting to feel a lot like the "stars is rigged"- discussion, where no one is acknowledging the fact that there are people with millions upon millions of tracked hands in databases that should easily confirm that "aces never win" if this was the case. Numbers and proof is so much more interesting than a gut feeling.

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1 hour ago, Meowcat90 said:

Basically, unless you're prepared to cash out slight profits or play really high bets, you shouldn't play low volatility slot. Personally I would never cash out less than 5x initial deposit, making the low volatile games completely pointless. They are made to make you bleed out, while high volatile slots are made to either execute you or make you king. Bleeding is really frustrating in slots (as well as in real life, I guess), and Netent and Quickspin are the masters of bleed.

I would still like to know how you presume this RTP manipulation occurs without people knowing. Another thing about really low volatile games, is that they are really predictable. While BTG probably could lower RTP on Bonanza by 10% without people noticing for a long time (as max win is enormous and people are used to go broke quickly anyway), this would be much harder to conceal in a game like Starburst, where a few thousand spins usually would be enough to get an ok picture of the real RTP. This is starting to feel a lot like the "stars is rigged"- discussion, where no one is acknowledging the fact that there are people with millions upon millions of tracked hands in databases that should easily confirm that "aces never win" if this was the case. Numbers and proof is so much more interesting than a gut feeling.

Try playing 1500 bonus rounds on Dead or Alive with a max win of 150x, they say a wildline occurs on average once every 150 bonuses, my fucking arse it does, how the fuck is it random when the damn thing is programmed!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RANDOM IN A PIECE OF SOFTWARE PROGRAMMED BY A FUCKING HUMAN BEING!! RANDOM IS AN OUTCOME WITHOUT ANY INTERVENTION, A RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR IS NOT FUCKING RANDOM BECAUSE FOR ONE, THE NUMBERS ARE SELECTED FROM SEEDS, IF YOU PRE SET THESE SEEDS TO OFFER NOTHING BUT LOW WINS AND LOSSES, THEN THERE YOU GO, THEY PASS OFF THAT BULLSHIT AS RANDOM, BUT YOUR RANDOM SELECTION WAS IN AN EMPTY FUCKING JAR!

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9 hours ago, jchneo said:

Try playing 1500 bonus rounds on Dead or Alive with a max win of 150x, they say a wildline occurs on average once every 150 bonuses, my fucking arse it does, how the fuck is it random when the damn thing is programmed!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS RANDOM IN A PIECE OF SOFTWARE PROGRAMMED BY A FUCKING HUMAN BEING!! RANDOM IS AN OUTCOME WITHOUT ANY INTERVENTION, A RANDOM NUMBER GENERATOR IS NOT FUCKING RANDOM BECAUSE FOR ONE, THE NUMBERS ARE SELECTED FROM SEEDS, IF YOU PRE SET THESE SEEDS TO OFFER NOTHING BUT LOW WINS AND LOSSES, THEN THERE YOU GO, THEY PASS OFF THAT BULLSHIT AS RANDOM, BUT YOUR RANDOM SELECTION WAS IN AN EMPTY FUCKING JAR!

If you've had 1500 bonus rounds with a max win of 150x, and also had 2300 spins without any bonus, that is interesting. The chance of 2300 spins without bonus should be somewhere along the lines of 1.8 in a million (the math could be a bit off, but the numbers are certainly extreme) , and the fact that you went crazy about Netent just days before this, makes it very suspect that this would happen now. I don't know the alleged chances of getting 150x+ in bonus, but even if it was as little as a 2% chance of 150x+, we're talking about 1 in tens of trillions chance of 1500 bonuses without it. I would love to see this documented. As it is, I do not believe you.  I believe you've had really bad runs on DOA, but I do not believe these numbers without documentation. If you could document this, I would myself spearhead a collective effort to investigate the game further, if people could provide me with their own extensive documented DOA sessions. Personally, if you could document both those claims, I would join you in your boycott without further proof. I am however very confident that you're lying, even if I would gladly be persuaded by reliable evidence.  Btw, caps lock makes things harder to read, not easier. 

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On 1/30/2018 at 07:55, TheManbearpig said:

Cancer confirmed,600!spins on doa no bonus ,10c win from 25 free spins on aloha and then 300spins to get a bonus on jungle spirit with 60coins win \0/ just incredible

Probably the worst,in terms of returns,of the Netent slots to play. The reason DOA pays so much for wild lines and big bonuses occasionally is that its so difficult to win a good amount on. Jungle Spirit is garbage and Aloha is appalling unless played at at least 50p or £1 per spin. Try the better ones for RTP such as Jack and The Beanstalk,Guns n Roses or Gonzos Quest as these can plow through wagering requirements and hit a few big wins. 

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