ban online casino streamers

[TommyBhoy]

@Slotplayer Its all about the money mate deny it all u want.

The CG streamers have obviously sealed a juicy deal with HighRoller because hand on heart are u telling me that it is one of the best casinos out there? High roller is better than casumo or videoslots?  They are pushing that casino like mad.  3 streamers using it at the same time?

Also are you surprised people question where the big streamers income comes from?  nickslots and kim can deposit fortunes every day yet claim they are not rich, would u agree  that someone who can deposit  2-10k a week on slots is not rich?  even 5k a week x 52 is 260k a year.  You and huggehugg are the only cg streamers that actually play with normal stakes,

Nobody would ever call streamers responsible even if they knew your bank balance.

@Slotplayer you keep on saying people would need to search for gambling websites specifically, what about all the streamers who also play/host games such as fifa, pubg and call of duty? 

Rocknrollaaa has clearly stated he wants no part of being in casinogrounds videos as he can probably see were this forum is going. 

Why have Leovegas bought this forum? because Nick and Kim are nice guys? no because they can squeeze every penny out of people.  Its funny how Leovegas's past behaviour has been swept under the carpet.

[Lokus]

9 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer Its all about the money mate deny it all u want.

The CG streamers have obviously sealed a juicy deal with HighRoller because hand on heart are u telling me that it is one of the best casinos out there? High roller is better than casumo or videoslots?  They are pushing that casino like mad.  3 streamers using it at the same time?

Also are you surprised people question where the big streamers income comes from?  nickslots and kim can deposit fortunes every day yet claim they are not rich, would u agree  that someone who can deposit  2-10k a week on slots is not rich?  even 5k a week x 52 is 260k a year.  You and huggehugg are the only cg streamers that actually play with normal stakes,

Nobody would ever call streamers responsible even if they knew your bank balance.

@Slotplayer you keep on saying people would need to search for gambling websites specifically, what about all the streamers who also play/host games such as fifa, pubg and call of duty? 

Rocknrollaaa has clearly stated he wants no part of being in casinogrounds videos as he can probably see were this forum is going. 

Why have Leovegas bought this forum? because Nick and Kim are nice guys? no because they can squeeze every penny out of people.  Its funny how Leovegas's past behaviour has been swept under the carpet.

Schh its a secret that streamers profit from there hobby,  how dare u accuse our hard working for free streamers for earning money??? 

just read the casinogrounds forum about all the threads from people leaving gambling , they also always refer to a streamer aswell ”enjoyed” the stream etc,... casinogrounds is great but i lack the transparancy and the truthfulness , its become a bit to much hippocracy.. 

for me the evidence is clear lots of threads of people quitting gambling but in a fucked up way ”Thanks” the streamers for the show... dont the streamers see the irony and there part of the industry problem??? 

And for me its strange how they are so protective of the business if they dont get anything from it as they claim ?

[Slotplayer]

I can't comment on High Roller because I don't play there and have no intention to do so.

[TommyBhoy]

13 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

I can't comment on High Roller because I don't play there and have no intention to do so.

Cant comment cause you know exactly what is going on!  Nickslots, Letsgiveitaspin and David Labowsky have secured a tasty little deal to draw in as many punters as possible.  No time before did 3 casinogrounds streamers use the same casino for live streams.  Kim was leo, nick was risk/casumo and david was superlenny.

 

[TommyBhoy]

20 minutes ago, Lokus said:

Schh its a secret that streamers profit from there hobby,  how dare u accuse our hard working for free streamers for earning money??? 

just read the casinogrounds forum about all the threads from people leaving gambling , they also always refer to a streamer aswell ”enjoyed” the stream etc,... casinogrounds is great but i lack the transparancy and the truthfulness , its become a bit to much hippocracy.. 

for me the evidence is clear lots of threads of people quitting gambling but in a fucked up way ”Thanks” the streamers for the show... dont the streamers see the irony and there part of the industry problem??? 

And for me its strange how they are so protective of the business if they dont get anything from it as they claim ?

You make some good points.

For a start look how secretive the Leovegas deal was and you get shot down in flames if you dare ask a question about it.

[Slotplayer]

25 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

Cant comment cause you know exactly what is going on!  Nickslots, Letsgiveitaspin and David Labowsky have secured a tasty little deal to draw in as many punters as possible.  No time before did 3 casinogrounds streamers use the same casino for live streams.  Kim was leo, nick was risk/casumo and david was superlenny.

 

Never good to speculate regarding what I do and don't know.

You asked whether High Roller is better than others and I gave you my answer.

[TommyBhoy]

@Slotplayer ok I am asking you

 

Do you think the 3 streamers currently using high roller sealed a very good deal with them and thats why they are pushing that casino hard on stream? To earn as much as possible?

[pausefisk]

I agree on the part regarding HighRoller aswell, as i have stated in some previous post here on CG. New casino released, has many flaws and not 100% ready for release. yet, CG in their review give highroller almost top scrore, and way better than many of the other casinos. They also moved Highroller to the top of the listed casinos bonuses on this website, and most profiled streamers on CG is now streaming from highroller. Lets take a look at the review:

bonuses 5/5 (only one welcome bonus, and wagering is 45x. There are TONS of casinos there with more welcome bonuses and way lower wagering. and you give it 5/5?)
website 5/5
mobile casino 4/5
support 4/5
payment 5/5 (really? not even supporting skrill/neteller.. yet its 5 out of 5? will it be rated 6/5 when those payments are added?)

I don't say that Highroller isnt a good casino, i think its average. But, there are some way ahead of them. This review is in my opinion the best "proof" of how the streaming industry is a moneymaker business, and not just a hobby. CG had an incoming of 4.1 milion SEK (410.000€) during the 3rd quater of 2017, probably affiliate money from the links on this site. All users who signed up with one link, is not a returning customer untill they sign up with another link. So, for the streamers it would always be good business to move onto a new casino regulary to bring new customers to that new casino aswell. If a streamer played at only one casino, they would miss out on many new signups.

Business is business, and everyone wants to do it. I find it strange that those streamers who participate in this comunity dont get a cent from what seems to be a money machine. I dont know how their view is not this case.

Anyway, thanks for reading my thoughs on this. I dont state whats right and wrong, i just speak about my thoughs and views on things i've noticed on this forum for a while.

[Josh Green]

7 minutes ago, pausefisk said:

I agree on the part regarding HighRoller aswell, as i have stated in some previous post here on CG. New casino released, has many flaws and not 100% ready for release. yet, CG in their review give highroller almost top scrore, and way better than many of the other casinos. They also moved Highroller to the top of the listed casinos bonuses on this website, and most profiled streamers on CG is now streaming from highroller. Lets take a look at the review:

bonuses 5/5 (only one welcome bonus, and wagering is 45x. There are TONS of casinos there with more welcome bonuses and way lower wagering. and you give it 5/5?)
website 5/5
mobile casino 4/5
support 4/5
payment 5/5 (really? not even supporting skrill/neteller.. yet its 5 out of 5? will it be rated 6/5 when those payments are added?)

I don't say that Highroller isnt a good casino, i think its average. But, there are some way ahead of them. This review is in my opinion the best "proof" of how the streaming industry is a moneymaker business, and not just a hobby. CG had an incoming of 4.1 milion SEK (410.000€) during the 3rd quater of 2017, probably affiliate money from the links on this site. All users who signed up with one link, is not a returning customer untill they sign up with another link. So, for the streamers it would always be good business to move onto a new casino regulary to bring new customers to that new casino aswell. If a streamer played at only one casino, they would miss out on many new signups.

Business is business, and everyone wants to do it. I find it strange that those streamers who participate in this comunity dont get a cent from what seems to be a money machine. I dont know how their view is not this case.

Anyway, thanks for reading my thoughs on this. I dont state whats right and wrong, i just speak about my thoughs and views on things i've noticed on this forum for a while.

I addressed the HR casino deal in another post here - 

 

Yes they secured a deal to play there which is absolutely fine.

Should they then rank it so highly... well thats part of the deal so honest and integrity goes out of the window a bit there.

Was it fair that they got exclusivity over any other streamers to play there for the first month. Not IMO but as a business deal it was VERY good for them and i dont blame them 1 bit.

[Slotplayer]

40 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer ok I am asking you

 

Do you think the 3 streamers currently using high roller sealed a very good deal with them and thats why they are pushing that casino hard on stream? To earn as much as possible?

They wouldn't play at a non legit casino.

As to their deals, you are asking the wrong person as I don't know the particulars and I am not one for speculating.

[Slotplayer]

16 minutes ago, pausefisk said:

 

Business is business, and everyone wants to do it. I find it strange that those streamers who participate in this comunity dont get a cent from what seems to be a money machine. I dont know how their view is not this case.

By being part of this community I gain exposure and hopefully more viewers. That is good enough for me.

[pausefisk]

@Josh Green you adressing that in another post must have passed my eyes, thanks for clearing that up. My suspicion somewhat confirmed, i guess. So, what does that say about the reviewes on CG? I guess it's not only the slots that is rigged.

I do however feel safe when playing on the casinos listed here, and signing up trough links here would mean (i hope!) i get some extra help from CG if any disagreements with me and the casinos should happen.

[TommyBhoy]

HighRoller has no business getting a review like that.

The same could be said from Leovegas, it has the following reviews

6.9/10 the pogg

6.4/10 askgamblers

3/10 trust pilot

it does have good reviews at smaller sites

not saying it is a bad casino but there are a shit load of complaints about them,  also there dodgy behavior in the past.

Yet because Kim has an exclusive deal to him and Nickslots they are the best thing since sliced bread. No way should they be rated as good as on casinogrounds.

 

 

[Slotplayer]

19 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

HighRoller has no business getting a review like that.

The same could be said from Leovegas, it has the following reviews

6.9/10 the pogg

6.4/10 askgamblers

3/10 trust pilot

it does have good reviews at smaller sites

not saying it is a bad casino but there are a shit load of complaints about them,  also there dodgy behavior in the past.

Yet because Kim has an exclusive deal to him and Nickslots they are the best thing since sliced bread. No way should they be rated as good as on casinogrounds.

 

 

I wouldn't go by what Askgamblers states. They even promote rogue casinos!!

Any rating is dependant on the criteria used and is always going to be subjective no matter the site that rates it. For that reason it is always wise to read reviews on a number of different sites.

[NudgeShuffle]

@Lokus @nomoregamblingstreams

I thought your last few posts were particularly thought provoking and points well made.

I'm slightly torn at the moment because the OP does pretty bad job of putting their case across which made me initially dismissive.

I'm further torn by the fact that I watch a lot of streams and don't want to be critical of people I genuinely like but sadly I'm coming to the view that they may indeed be complicit in something which could harmful and deceitful. I'm also coming to the view that as a viewer perhaps I'm party to that as well.

I will way this in my defence - when I initially started out watching streams, those that I watched were first and foremost hobbists in nature.  The rampant commercialisation which is present today, came later and I've been passive to that change. But where as once upon a time it might have been possible to relate to a hobbyist gambler and their sessions it's increasingly the case that streamers are playing with bankrolls which are a distortion far removed from a normal gamblers reality i.e. who apart from streamers are getting +EV deals four or five times a week with a match bonus of £500+.  For the same reason that you can never beat a slot over the long run due to the house edge the opposite is true for streamers and +EV deals - over the long run they cannot lose but I doubt many viewers have this understanding.

I'm genuinely quite deflated about those CG streamers I follow right now.  The money side of things has tainted things....I want those independent, hobbyist, "do no evil" streamers back but those days are gone :-(

[Lokus]

Well Said josh! 

I dont mind streamers getting paid.

i Said so in prevoius threads..

what i do mind is when they are trying to come out as hard working regular folks , spending there own cash playing on the same terms as the rest of us. Trying to get ”deals” for us that are better if we use there links. Trying to convince us that they dont earn money from the rest of us, or money from affiliations , that they are doing all this work just to entertain us.

recommending casinos on a non bias way, even if the casinos tbh have worse deals , customer support, wagering requirements then non affiliated casinos. With the words they Will become better.... 

bashing Other streamers accusing them to be dishonest.... 

and there is alot more to be Said..

as long as streamers are honest, transparant i dont see a problem of them making money from me using there links supporting there streams. 

But this hippocracy is just getting old...

 

[TommyBhoy]

It is about the money now which is a shame, its not regular guys playing slots anymore,

Its streamers trying to make as much money  as possible either through stream links or directing them to this forum

Sad but true.

[Slotplayer]

8 minutes ago, NudgeShuffle said:

@Lokus @nomoregamblingstreams

I thought your last few posts were particularly thought provoking and points well made.

I'm slightly torn at the moment because the OP does pretty bad job of putting their case across which made me initially dismissive.

I'm further torn by the fact that I watch a lot of streams and don't want to be critical of people I genuinely like but sadly I'm coming to the view that they may indeed be complicit in something which could harmful and deceitful. I'm also coming to the view that as a viewer perhaps I'm party to that as well.

I will way this in my defence - when I initially started out watching streams, those that I watched were first and foremost hobbists in nature.  The rampant commercialisation which is present today, came later and I've been passive to that change. But where as once upon a time it might have been possible to relate to a hobbyist gambler and their sessions it's increasingly the case that streamers are playing with bankrolls which are a distortion far removed from a normal gamblers reality i.e. who apart from streamers are getting +EV deals four or five times a week with a match bonus of £500+.  For the same reason that you can never beat a slot over the long run due to the house edge the opposite is true for streamers and +EV deals - over the long run they cannot lose but I doubt many viewers have this understanding.

I'm genuinely quite deflated about those CG streamers I follow right now.  The money side of things has tainted things....I want those independent, hobbyist, "do no evil" streamers back but those days are gone :-(

Most  bonuses are ev-

Even a 100% match with 35x bonus wagering is ev- and that is the most common one streamers get from what I can see.

[TommyBhoy]

13 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

I wouldn't go by what Askgamblers states. They even promote rogue casinos!!

Any rating is dependant on the criteria used and is always going to be subjective no matter the site that rates it. For that reason it is always wise to read reviews on a number of different sites.

@Slotplayerbut technically you could class leovegas as rogue considering their history in giving out fake accounts, were is the 100% proof they still dont do it?

[Lokus]

@Slotplayer many streamers Also have a higher betlimit, less wagering then x35 they sometimes get x10. Especially from LeoVegas , thrills, superlenny.. and there are other benefits aswell that are not to be openely discussed as it Will break the terms of agreement. 

[Josh Green]

5 minutes ago, Lokus said:

Well Said josh! 

I dont mind streamers getting paid.

i Said so in prevoius threads..

what i do mind is when they are trying to come out as hard working regular folks , spending there own cash playing on the same terms as the rest of us. Trying to get ”deals” for us that are better if we use there links. Trying to convince us that they dont earn money from the rest of us, or money from affiliations , that they are doing all this work just to entertain us.

 

To truth is its very hard to know and judge which streamers actually make a good income from it and can use that to offset there casino losses. It may seem obvious to some but it doesn't mean that its the case and who knows, they may be losing even more 'off stream' gambling.

Im sure some streamers make a tiny fraction of what they lose whilst others may far in excess of their losses. But again, as long as the ones who are making profit don't pretend its a 'hobby' then thats fine. If a streamers say. gambling is bad, playing slots is minus Ev but the deal i have makes it neutral or +ev and on top i make money from it then so be it, they are not deceiving anyone.

To be honest, with our channel as we said from the beginning we would love to be able to run it as a business and make it profitable. We are nowhere near that being new and given the influx in this space and competition/monopolisation it may be very hard to ever realise that ambition. We have just been blessed that the first 2 months streaming we actually hit some big wins and kept our bankroll in the +, because the affiliate commissions wont touch the surface for a very long time indeed, if ever.

[TommyBhoy]

15 minutes ago, NudgeShuffle said:

@Lokus @nomoregamblingstreams

I thought your last few posts were particularly thought provoking and points well made.

I'm slightly torn at the moment because the OP does pretty bad job of putting their case across which made me initially dismissive.

I'm further torn by the fact that I watch a lot of streams and don't want to be critical of people I genuinely like but sadly I'm coming to the view that they may indeed be complicit in something which could harmful and deceitful. I'm also coming to the view that as a viewer perhaps I'm party to that as well.

I will way this in my defence - when I initially started out watching streams, those that I watched were first and foremost hobbists in nature.  The rampant commercialisation which is present today, came later and I've been passive to that change. But where as once upon a time it might have been possible to relate to a hobbyist gambler and their sessions it's increasingly the case that streamers are playing with bankrolls which are a distortion far removed from a normal gamblers reality i.e. who apart from streamers are getting +EV deals four or five times a week with a match bonus of £500+.  For the same reason that you can never beat a slot over the long run due to the house edge the opposite is true for streamers and +EV deals - over the long run they cannot lose but I doubt many viewers have this understanding.

I'm genuinely quite deflated about those CG streamers I follow right now.  The money side of things has tainted things....I want those independent, hobbyist, "do no evil" streamers back but those days are gone :-(

Look at DavidLabowsky for example who I will add is one of the nicest streamers and a real joy to watch, he started off doing normal person stakes but has fallen into the not normal stakes category which I never thought I would ever see happen.

 

[Slotplayer]

11 minutes ago, Lokus said:

@Slotplayer many streamers Also have a higher betlimit, less wagering then x35 they sometimes get x10. Especially from LeoVegas , thrills, superlenny.. and there are other benefits aswell that are not to be openely discussed as it Will break the terms of agreement. 

Well as a high depositing player they will get better deals occasionally.

The other day Rizk gave me a 100% match with 20x play through. I don't promote them.

[Kingofthedolphins]

What an interesting read that was. I thought that there were good points made on both sides of the discussion. But to simply say ban all online casino streamers to solve gambling addiction is like saying ban all fast food to solve obesity! Or saying ban all action films to prevent gun crime! As with all passionate discussions the answer is somewhere in the middle. Could the streamers do more to help with problem gambling? I'd say yes, But should the people who enjoy there streams and control there gambling be punished by not being able to watch them anymore because some people blame them for there addiction? absolutely not. As adults we are ultimately responsible for our own actions and we shouldn't look to blame other people for what we do. It is always good to talk about these things in a polite and respectful manner so i thank everyone who has commented on this post for raising a very interesting topic.

[Slotspinner]

Ive skimmed through the few latest comments and gonna answer some or give my opinion:

1. Someone said we do not tell that we earn from the links: wrong. repeatedly stated by all.

 

2. Crusade against "fake" streamers. We dont even say a word about these for over a year now - simply though to understand, would you like it if you were a streamer playing your own money and then theres some guys coming with 10k "Deposit" of fake money every stream buying viewbots etc deceiving people to the fullest (these should get banned anyway that is just fraud)

 

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

3.2 Affiliate is immoral - Hello what the F? You as a player get more benefits than before, you are not forced to play anyway, if you dont use the link the casino gets 100% of the money - if you choose the links you may get better rewards, and part of the money you may lose goes to the streamer. If you feel better by having less rewards and lose your money fully to the company behind the casino you are well damn free to do so. Nobody is forced on any of this, so i dont see one reason to complain.

 

4. All and for once - problem gamblers should look to solve their issues - advised to not even watch streams. Some people it helps to stay off gambling watching though. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PLEASE. STOP BLAMING. You say what if problem gamblers watch you, well its quite damn hard to find any of us unless you actively search for it or have been watching tons of Slot material before - in which case , how is that our problem? If all streamers were to be banned those people would watch slots somewhere else or go to gamble themselves anyway its not tackling their problem in the slightest