ban online casino streamers

[TommyBhoy]

@Nicola what about u misleading people on this website by giving brand new unknown casinos 5 stars?

Can u explain who reviewed Highroller?

[TechnoJoe]

The Highroller 5 star review is BS, the internet is full of BS reviews tho - the last star wars was one - lets ban star wars!! 

But trying to ban streaming and ban responsible adults from watching a stream because the op is a self confessed degen is pathetic - the op's problems are his own, and it seems his way of addressing them is to try and 'fix' other peoples problems by prohibiting that which he has self admittedly accessed and used himself - just because he is degen and cant control his gambling doesnt mean others cant.  His whole position in this post is a joke.

 

I still maintain this is a troll post - the op is not trying to make a 'report' or engage with the government, he's here for lolz and a trollathon.  Can the op please post a copy of correspondance he;s had with anyone 'official' about this and the 'report' he's trying to create???

 

And TommyBhoy, i'd expect better from someone with Bhoy in his name.

 

 

[TechnoJoe]

33 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

There is a lot of recognition by the streamers who are fully aware that gambling may cause problems. But it is a legal activity, similar to drinking is. The latter can cause all sort of problems too if not controlled properly.

But you are attempting to block gambling content on Youtube that YOU have to actively search for. And that is just wrong because it is YOU that shouldn't be watching it, if it may result in you making that deposit you were not planning to make.

Casinos offer welcome bonuses and it is up to the customer to determine whether it is worth taking. You know the deposit is considered lost so the extended play time a deposit match offers is welcome. If you deposit in order to make a profit you shouldn't be gambling - end off. No streamer glorifies gambling and promises riches. The opposite it true.

I go to Tripadvisor to read reviews on hotels. There are links that I can click to book the hotel. Is it the cheapest or best deal? Caveat emptor applies. Ban Tripadvisor?

Ban everything lol

Cant beat a juicy welcome bonus

[jchneo]

This whole thing is just a load of nonsense. These streamers are like, i stream for the people, for the fans, its not about the money, we get deposit bonuses and stuff but we don't make much....bullshit, these people are streaming hours every day for the affiliate money! most of them don't even have jobs, where the fuck are the funds coming from to play with!!! Slotspinners like '96% rtp, cashouts', what so its a guarantee is it, bullshit, thats a theoretical percentage over a lifetime of spins, you could easily spin every day for months on end without winning jack shit, which i know many normal players have done, so yeh quite easily at 2k deposits daily your hitting 6 figures over a year, how are you funding this without an income from work? Am i missing something here. Sorry but you might be able to fool hundreds of viewers who have been brainwashed by your on screen charms, but you're all in it for the money, and quite evidently make a lot of it from peoples losses and casino deals, stop bullshitting people and start being honest.

[Nicola]

1 hour ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Nicola what about u misleading people on this website by giving brand new unknown casinos 5 stars?

Can u explain who reviewed Highroller?

I wouldn't know as I'm not part of CasinoGrounds - I just moderate

Never met or spoken to anyone from this forum, but look forwarding to meeting them next month in London!

From what I've heard HighRoller is a great casino and each of my withdrawals has been processed within hours and admire how they handle RG on both their sites and live chat.

[Nicola]

1 hour ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@Nicola Come and join me in the crusade for better responsible gambling advertising regulation  ? 

Ive been trying for years and trust me it is getting better albeit very slowly.

I see you have genuine passion for the subject, and think a face-to-face meeting with the head of Gamcare in London would be good. That way you can see what they are up against and why nothing gets done quickly in this matter.

Just last week I had a long conversation with the Remote Gambling Association and a lot is happening in 2018. It is now only technical issues preventing new RG tools and controls.

[Slotplayer]

5 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer but u dont have to search for it, its everywere

I set you the same challenge then.

Download a browser you have never used, install it, load up Youtube and start watching and searching but don't search for anything gambling related.

Let me know if you come across my channel.

If you are not prepared to do this, then you can't claim that it is everywhere (streaming channels, gambling channels)

[Lokus]

@Slotspinner if you have a 96% rtp for your overall you must be nr1 slot master ever ??

[NudgeShuffle]

8 hours ago, Nicola said:

Ive been trying for years and trust me it is getting better albeit very slowly.

I see you have genuine passion for the subject, and think a face-to-face meeting with the head of Gamcare in London would be good. That way you can see what they are up against and why nothing gets done quickly in this matter.

Just last week I had a long conversation with the Remote Gambling Association and a lot is happening in 2018. It is now only technical issues preventing new RG tools and controls.

Hi Nicola,

If you have a working relationship with gamcare how about you get them to comment on some of the subjects covered in this thread?

I literally cannot think of a better way to approach this debate then having subject matter experts contribute.

I would personally appreciate if you could make enquiries to see what is possible.

Regards

[TommyBhoy]

@Slotplayer go to youtube and type in the search box  fifa 18 massive pack opening, none of these words are gambling related in any way, scroll down on the 1st page and what do we see? oh yes Chipmonkz slots and gambling channel. Click his username and what do we see? oh yes shit loads of big win videos.

Lets see how you try and argue your way out of this one, not your channel but a gambling channel.

 

[TommyBhoy]

8 hours ago, Freddy from the hood said:

This shit is funny as fck. They say we gamblers are agressive in our response while that tommyboy is reacting on everybody he didnt even start this shit, probaly nothing better to do. For real let everybody do what we do let the streamers stream if you want to make the world a better place dont start at banning casino streams lol. There are much more addictions and dangerous stuff that is effecting people and atleast they are raising money for charity.. big money, with they evil streams.. Yall sound little bit mad of the attention they get and yall just being angry on a unknown forum talking that you want to destroy the streams because YOU dont like it. I am not going to start a fucking forum about alcohol addiciton or smoke addiciton after a long day of work because i have nothing better to do. Come on man let every body life and do what they do. Love everybody.

Gambling addiction is one of the hardest addictions to beat.  Where has anyone wrote they want to destroy the streamers? You obviously cant read English very well either.  Dunno where you come from but in the UK we have free speech.  We are entitled to our opinions.  We have a valid point and there are loads of people for streamers and against streamers.  Im not mad at anyone, why would I be?  You have people like @Slotspinner talking nonsense and going in the huff, this is the responsible gambling section of the forum and we are getting shot down in flames as we are talking about yes you guessed it responsible gambling.

 

[RyanMcSplooger]

11 hours ago, TechnoJoe said:

The Highroller 5 star review is BS, the internet is full of BS reviews tho - the last star wars was one - lets ban star wars!! 

But trying to ban streaming and ban responsible adults from watching a stream because the op is a self confessed degen is pathetic - the op's problems are his own, and it seems his way of addressing them is to try and 'fix' other peoples problems by prohibiting that which he has self admittedly accessed and used himself - just because he is degen and cant control his gambling doesnt mean others cant.  His whole position in this post is a joke.

 

I still maintain this is a troll post - the op is not trying to make a 'report' or engage with the government, he's here for lolz and a trollathon.  Can the op please post a copy of correspondance he;s had with anyone 'official' about this and the 'report' he's trying to create???

 

And TommyBhoy, i'd expect better from someone with Bhoy in his name.

 

 

I fail to see how this guy is a troll when we are on a pro streamer forum and he has the support of a number of people. Take a look around on some of the comments of these videos and realise he's not alone in his thoughts.

The only ones who actually agree with you are pro streamers who are actually the minority. The general public wouldn't agree with addicts promoting casinos and they would not agree with people making money off others (gambling addicts) losses in such a non transparent way. 

A failure to understand who actually watches these videos is your downfall. It's a big circle of addicts. These videos are porn for gambling addicts and the makers want you to lose as much as possible if they are on a rev share based business model. 

 

 

[TommyBhoy]

@RyanMcSplooger hit the nail on the head, how can anybody that gambles everyday not be described as an addict.  I include streamers in this.

[Slotplayer]

14 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer go to youtube and type in the search box  fifa 18 massive pack opening, none of these words are gambling related in any way, scroll down on the 1st page and what do we see? oh yes Chipmonkz slots and gambling channel. Click his username and what do we see? oh yes shit loads of big win videos.

Lets see how you try and argue your way out of this one, not your channel but a gambling channel.

 

So you couldn't find my channel then.

And of course you found him because you know he does Fifa videos. Take it up with him to complain and that he should use two different channels.

Do it again and try to find any of the Casinoground streamers. Another fresh browser.

[Slotplayer]

9 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I fail to see how this guy is a troll when we are on a pro streamer forum and he has the support of a number of people. Take a look around on some of the comments of these videos and realise he's not alone in his thoughts.

The only ones who actually agree with you are pro streamers who are actually the minority. The general public wouldn't agree with addicts promoting casinos and they would not agree with people making money off others (gambling addicts) losses in such a non transparent way. 

A failure to understand who actually watches these videos is your downfall. It's a big circle of addicts. These videos are porn for gambling addicts and the makers want you to lose as much as possible if they are on a rev share based business model. 

 

 

How insulting calling all viewers of stream addicts. Have you done research on this or is it just an assumption.

[RyanMcSplooger]

Just now, TommyBhoy said:

@RyanMcSplooger hit the nail on the head, how can anybody that gambles everyday not be described as an addict.  I include streamers in this.

Not sure if you are aware but their was a campaign against streamers on YouTube by myself and a handful of others. I had lots of support for this cause but was also on the receiving end of death threats because of my opinions. I had to remove my videos because my family were getting them too as people were searching for me via social media and trying to find out my personal information. 

This is all because I disagreed with their practices and because I wanted to protect the vulnerable. We are seen as the bad guys in this community which is laughable. All you will get here and on streams are the streamers refusing to accept any responsibility, blaming others and giving some excuse along the lines of no one is forcing you to watch etc. 

The compulsive gambler is going to be the one watching these streams. I have seen people actually tell problem gamblers to come to this site to share their views too. This site being an affiliate site with a sole purpose to extract further money from the vulnerable. 

The streamers by large are addicts who fund their addiction through addicts loss. If you're searching and watching this content then chances are you already have a problem. Some use the streams as a form of therapy to stop gambling but as long as they watch, the temptation will always be there, not that anyone cares.

[RyanMcSplooger]

6 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

How insulting calling all viewers of stream addicts. Have you done research on this or is it just an assumption.

I fail to see how it's insulting considering the content by your own admission must be searched for to view. You say that people must take responsibility for their own actions because they actively seek this content so you can't have it both ways. The people who just stumble upon such content  are the minority.

Who is sitting on streams for multiple hours, lining the pockets of streamers other than those who have an unhealthy obsession with slots? Have you frequented these streams? The stories of people losing it all are common, stories of addiction past and present are rife too. 

Streamers and their fans intimidate those who oppose them. When you threaten to take away their income through campaigning you will see the real side of them. 

[Slotplayer]

5 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

Not sure if you are aware but their was a campaign against streamers on YouTube by myself and a handful of others. I had lots of support for this cause but was also on the receiving end of death threats because of my opinions. I had to remove my videos because my family were getting them too as people were searching for me via social media and trying to find out my personal information. 

This is all because I disagreed with their practices and because I wanted to protect the vulnerable. We are seen as the bad guys in this community which is laughable. All you will get here and on streams are the streamers refusing to accept any responsibility, blaming others and giving some excuse along the lines of no one is forcing you to watch etc. 

The compulsive gambler is going to be the one watching these streams. I have seen people actually tell problem gamblers to come to this site to share their views too. This site being an affiliate site with a sole purpose to extract further money from the vulnerable. 

The streamers by large are addicts who fund their addiction through addicts loss. If you're searching and watching this content then chances are you already have a problem. Some use the streams as a form of therapy to stop gambling but as long as they watch, the temptation will always be there, not that anyone cares.

For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.

[Slotplayer]

6 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I fail to see how it's insulting considering the content by your own admission must be searched for to view. You say that people must take responsibility for their own actions because they actively seek this content so you can't have it both ways. The people who just stumble upon such content  are the minority.

Who is sitting on streams for multiple hours, lining the pockets of streamers other than those who have an unhealthy obsession with slots? Have you frequented these streams? The stories of people losing it all are common, stories of addiction past and present are rife too. 

Streamers and their fans intimidate those who oppose them. When you threaten to take away their income through campaigning you will see the real side of them. 

That doesn't make them an addict. I watch streams but don't consider myself a gambling addict.

[RyanMcSplooger]

2 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.

I don't agree with that either. However, I see the people who are fighting against the streamers to be of better morals than those who support them. That's because by their very nature they are trying to stop compulsive gamblers watching and depositing again. 

I don't even know why there's an argument. The people against streamers are the good guys. How on earth can we be made out to be some kind of troll/internet villain when we are trying to stop compulsive gamblers viewing such content and getting lured in again. It's laughable really.

[TommyBhoy]

@Freddy from the hood so u agree with slotspinners comment?

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

 

[TommyBhoy]

9 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

For the benefit of transparency during these discussions and on your now  deleted videos I was insulted by being called a date rapist and received threats too for putting forward my opinion.

None of these threats are needed or warranted.

The anti streaming community are certainly not whiter than white.

you go onto nickslots channel and say streamers should be banned and you will get called far worse than that by the legion of morons that follow him like sheep

[RyanMcSplooger]

6 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

That doesn't make them an addict. I watch streams but don't consider myself a gambling addict.

You've always refused to accept that the demographics of the viewers are largely gambling addicts. You wriggle out of it by saying there's no proof. It's obvious to anyone that doesn't stream or has a direct association that it's the case. Study your audience if you stream, look at how many depositing players go on to self exclude. Look at how many deposit time and time again in the same day. Not one person has done this despite data being available to affiliates.

You must not forget that addiction is measure in time consumed in an activity too. Someone who watches these streams and gambles in any form and is watching for 5 hours a day and hop from stream to stream getting their viewing fix is an addict too.

[RyanMcSplooger]

9 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Freddy from the hood so u agree with slotspinners comment?

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

 

What a moronic statement that was. If the player won every time there would be no money to share around. The only time this would happen is if the affiliate was strictly CPA which is very rare these days. The casino wouldn't want to be associated with such an affiliate either.

He must think we are all stupid.

[Slotplayer]

11 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I don't agree with that either. However, I see the people who are fighting against the streamers to be of better morals than those who support them. That's because by their very nature they are trying to stop compulsive gamblers watching and depositing again. 

I don't even know why there's an argument. The people against streamers are the good guys. How on earth can we be made out to be some kind of troll/internet villain when we are trying to stop compulsive gamblers viewing such content and getting lured in again. It's laughable really.

What about those that enjoy the streams and have no gambling problems? I asked this before in this topic and never received an answer. Why should they suffer because some can't control their gambling. 

Banning is never the answer.