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The point of view provided by the original poster is one shared by myself and many others. 

All streamers need to be banned to protect the vulnerable. Hopefully this is the start of things to come. I have spent countless hours complaining to the UKGC about their legality when combined with giveaways. They also seems to follow zero regulations and simply put 'support the channel' in a pretty poor attempt at transparency. 

I have said this a thousand times but the average person who plays slots is not watching these streams. It's the slot fanatic and problem gambler who is watching. You have to actively seek slot videos and big wins to watch this content so a lot of the people watching have an addiction. This seems to not phase streamers at all. Maybe this current crisis will wake them up to the reality that they too can get shut down. 

Have a look around and tell me who actually complies with the ASA. Little to none if you believe they have to adhere to the ruling which states that prior to consumer engagement (watching the video) it must be made clear that the person or company behind the video makes a profit when you sign up. 

Casinos won't do a thing because it's generates massive income for them. Casumo told me they don't actually care if the person representing them is an addict themselves which 90% are, the other 10% being pure business minded. That in itself is a huge problem. 

I reported a long list of these streamers. I also reported Facebook accounts who used a similar system for giveaways in particular (to the UKGC) and today all 6 of those accounts were shut down. I sincerely hope the YouTube accounts encounter the same type of demise. 

Remember why people like myself are doing this before I get abuse. It's to protect the vulnerable. Not to directly stop someone making a living. Most streamers I speak to are actually okay on a personal level. Greed and opportunity is a terrible combination however. 

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@Huggehugg @Slotplayer both of you play with reasonable stakes

nickslots, kim and at times davidlabowsky and slotspinner play with stakes that are beyond belief and not normal yet they claim they want to encourage responsible gambling.

 

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@Hello everyone! Hope you all are having an amazing day :)

My view on this matter will of course get questioned due to the fact that I stream casino myself, but I will still explain what my view on the subject is. I love both gambling and streaming cause I get to talk to amazing people and I generally do this four times a week.

It is extremely important to promote and talk about responsible gambling on stream, which is something that streamers streaming under the CasinoGrounds name take very seriously. We cannot stand for what other streamers are doing outside of the network itself. Gambling is really fun (otherwise we all would not be in this forum ;) ) but it can be an addictive hobby which can result in disasterous consequences for the individual if it is not done in a responsible manner. The thing is that this applies to many things in our current society like alcohol for example. I do not deny that there are problem gamblers, but I am rather implying that streamers that follow the guidelines for responsible gambling are not the cause of this problem. I stream cause I have a genuine passion for gambling and that I really like the community that we have created. These are of course my own opinions so feel free to disagree if you feel like you have a different opinion.

 

My advice for problem gamblers is to stop watching all casino related content (I know that it is no easy task), but the most important thing to do is to seek help from the ones that you love (and the people that loves you).

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@TommyBhoy @PaulD Formally Action for My opinion on stakes is that I will always play stakes that I myself am comfortable with, which applies for both streamers and those who play offline. @LetsGiveItASpin for example has stated many times on stream that he plays "lower" stakes on stream, eventhough his personal economy would allow bigger bets. He could of course play much bigger bets and most likely attract a bigger crowd, but he actually do not want to do that.

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More than happy to let this thread continue but please do not sign up multiple forum accounts to get your point across. You know who you are :)

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Here we can see PaulD asking someone to go and dislike Nicks stream after him and Ryan Splooger had, in the second image we can see him bragging about how much fun it was

This guy is in his 40's and acts like this, please do not engage in civil conversation with such a cretin

 

Bye for now :4head:

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In order to get a bit of perspective on this I went over to the gamcare forum and searched for threads with youtube or streamers in the content.  People will need to draw their own conclusions but I'd definitely recommend taking the time to have a read of some of the stories.

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@Huggehugg ofc if u sell cg for 30million you could afford higher stakes haha but no one would argue with Kim or cg for that matter if they just came clean and Said we did this for the money.. instead there are Somekind of cover up.. we did this for that reason bl.a. bl.a. , no one would blame kim if they Said right out Damn i made 30million sek today! Thanks for the support all of you!  Its the hippocracy thats sickens people not jellous or envy, its the plain fact, when i gamble i hope to make money, thats the thrill.

i credit Kim and cg all the best! But when they handles things like theyve Done it sickens me, giving shit sites high rates, not being truthful about how they get there money.. and bashing other streamers...and people that questions how they can afford playing slots 24/7 ?

damn i would praise the streamer that Said , Damn today i made 100k from affiliations Thanks all!!!!

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@Slotplayer the people running the forum are sell outs,

when leovegas look at the affiliate earnings and see for example rizk are getting the highest amount of sign ups do u think they will put up with that? long term?

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4 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer the people running the forum are sell outs,

when leovegas look at the affiliate earnings and see for example rizk are getting the highest amount of sign ups do u think they will put up with that? long term?

I was responding to @Lokus  who wrongly said it was sold for 30mil SEK.

As for your second paragraph, I think Leovegas know what they are doing, much better than you and I do so no point speculating.

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31 minutes ago, Justice For Youtube said:

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Here we can see PaulD asking someone to go and dislike Nicks stream after him and Ryan Splooger had, in the second image we can see him bragging about how much fun it was

This guy is in his 40's and acts like this, please do not engage in civil conversation with such a cretin

 

Bye for now :4head:

ha ha what a pair of absolute bellends - grow up

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The problem some of the Pro streamers responding have is they believe that people complaining are just salty after a big loss. It's not true. It's about what is morally right.

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6 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

The problem some of the Pro streamers responding have is they believe that people complaining are just salty after a big loss. It's not true. It's about what is morally right.

And that includes non affiliate gambling material too then because that surely can trigger a problem gambler to make a deposit.

We have had this same discussion a few months ago. Heck, I even watched some live streams and contributed. What became clear from those streams was that amongst you, you couldn't agree what you exactly wanted. Some wanted no streams, others wanted CPA only and no RevShare. Streamers and Youtube producers engaged with you and made changes.

What has changed? Please do tell.

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16 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

The problem some of the Pro streamers responding have is they believe that people complaining are just salty after a big loss. It's not true. It's about what is morally right.

*yawn* Hard to take someones morality seriously when you see the chat logs posted, they way you talk about other people isn't exactly full of "Moral", more like cowardice.

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3 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

And that includes non affiliate gambling material too then because that surely can trigger a problem gambler to make a deposit.

We have had this same discussion a few months ago. Heck, I even watched some live streams and contributed. What became clear from those streams was that amongst you, you couldn't agree what you exactly wanted. Some wanted no streams, others wanted CPA only and no RevShare. Streamers and Youtube producers engaged with you and made changes.

What has changed? Please do tell.

I was one of the ones who pushed for streamers to be banned. We all don't stand for the same thing to happen. People who share the dislike for streamers don't necessarily represent me. 

I believe non affiliate material to be as damaging. Although I believe I'm in the minority when it comes to that. Although a counter arguement is that non affiliate material doesn't push you towards gambling as much as no one benefits. If someone is making a considerable income from it then of course they will do what they can to get you to play. 

In my eyes nothing really has been done. Not enough anyway.

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1 minute ago, slotsofun said:

*yawn* Hard to take someones morality seriously when you see the chat logs posted, they way you talk about other people isn't exactly full of "Moral", more like cowardice.

What chat logs are you referring to?

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