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Ive skimmed through the few latest comments and gonna answer some or give my opinion:

1. Someone said we do not tell that we earn from the links: wrong. repeatedly stated by all.

 

2. Crusade against "fake" streamers. We dont even say a word about these for over a year now - simply though to understand, would you like it if you were a streamer playing your own money and then theres some guys coming with 10k "Deposit" of fake money every stream buying viewbots etc deceiving people to the fullest (these should get banned anyway that is just fraud)

 

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

3.2 Affiliate is immoral - Hello what the F? You as a player get more benefits than before, you are not forced to play anyway, if you dont use the link the casino gets 100% of the money - if you choose the links you may get better rewards, and part of the money you may lose goes to the streamer. If you feel better by having less rewards and lose your money fully to the company behind the casino you are well damn free to do so. Nobody is forced on any of this, so i dont see one reason to complain.

 

4. All and for once - problem gamblers should look to solve their issues - advised to not even watch streams. Some people it helps to stay off gambling watching though. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PLEASE. STOP BLAMING. You say what if problem gamblers watch you, well its quite damn hard to find any of us unless you actively search for it or have been watching tons of Slot material before - in which case , how is that our problem? If all streamers were to be banned those people would watch slots somewhere else or go to gamble themselves anyway its not tackling their problem in the slightest

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I while ago when we were asked for suggestions for this site, i had an idea that the users could rate their top casinos.

It was on the roadmap, but still we havent seen it yet. @Skylined87 might update us on this. I think it's fair that CG makes reviewes (if they manage to be neutral, as i belive is not the case recently), but it is only the players who really can rate them if we want a fair result.

Honestly i don't think a casino-rating will be available here on CG. I belive it will have some conflict of interests. But who know, i hope i'm wrong.

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@Kingofthedolphins

It is not the banning of gambling streams that I have an issue with -- it's the predatory advertising that is done without transparency on a website that caters to teens and young adults that I do have an issue with.  It's the posting of "Big Win" videos on Youtube that show, to a casual viewer, only the good & not the bad of gambling -- often with a stickied comment right below the video giving a link to the casino at which the win happened.  It's the blatant manipulation of a hobbyist group into a large-and-growing for-profit gambling circle that I have a problem with.  This very website has been acquired by Leovegas -- an online casino that was caught red-handed giving advertisers fake accounts that looked like real ones so that they could stream with no risk!  It is all a blatantly cynical cash grab.

But one of the worst parts of the whole thing, as can be seen in his very thread, is that because there is one-on-one interaction between the viewer and the advertiser, the viewer develops an emotional attachment.  So when their favorite advertiser is called out, they don't want to see it -- because to admit to liking, and often spending hundreds of hours watching, something that is completely unreal, is to admit to being fooled.
 

When this whole thing crashes and burns, who do you think the fall guys are going to be?  Because I can guarantee you it won't be the casinos.  They're going to place all the blame directly onto the streaming advertisers, just like, as you can see in this thread, the advertisers are trying to do to their viewers.  -- "If they have a gambling problem, they shouldn't watch!"

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48 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayerbut technically you could class leovegas as rogue considering their history in giving out fake accounts, were is the 100% proof they still dont do it?

Innocent till proven otherwise.

Tesco had an accounting scandal. Doesn't mean that they are still at it though.

I am sure I read somewhere that the person involved with that streamer is no longer employed by them and that  higher management wasnt aware.

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8 minutes ago, nomoregamblingstreams said:

@Kingofthedolphins

It is not the banning of gambling streams that I have an issue with -- it's the predatory advertising that is done without transparency on a website that caters to teens and young adults that I do have an issue with.  It's the posting of "Big Win" videos on Youtube that show, to a casual viewer, only the good & not the bad of gambling -- often with a stickied comment right below the video giving a link to the casino at which the win happened.  It's the blatant manipulation of a hobbyist group into a large-and-growing for-profit gambling circle that I have a problem with.  This very website has been acquired by Leovegas -- an online casino that was caught red-handed giving advertisers fake accounts that looked like real ones so that they could stream with no risk!  It is all a blatantly cynical cash grab.

But one of the worst parts of the whole thing, as can be seen in his very thread, is that because there is one-on-one interaction between the viewer and the advertiser, the viewer develops an emotional attachment.  So when their favorite advertiser is called out, they don't want to see it -- because to admit to liking, and often spending hundreds of hours watching, something that is completely unreal, is to admit to being fooled.
 

When this whole thing crashes and burns, who do you think the fall guys are going to be?  Because I can guarantee you it won't be the casinos.  They're going to place all the blame directly onto the streaming advertisers, just like, as you can see in this thread, the advertisers are trying to do to their viewers.  -- "If they have a gambling problem, they shouldn't watch!"

In other words you object to the making money part of it rather than wanting to help the problem gambler who should not be coming across any gambling videos on YT even those that don't have links. That is what the OP surely wants?

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No, you are conflating issues and purposefully muddying the water.  I'm not here to argue with sycophants though.  I don't have anything else to add -- thank you for giving me a platform to share my opinion & I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the coming months.

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25 minutes ago, nomoregamblingstreams said:

@Kingofthedolphins

It is not the banning of gambling streams that I have an issue with -- it's the predatory advertising that is done without transparency on a website that caters to teens and young adults that I do have an issue with.  It's the posting of "Big Win" videos on Youtube that show, to a casual viewer, only the good & not the bad of gambling -- often with a stickied comment right below the video giving a link to the casino at which the win happened.  It's the blatant manipulation of a hobbyist group into a large-and-growing for-profit gambling circle that I have a problem with.  This very website has been acquired by Leovegas -- an online casino that was caught red-handed giving advertisers fake accounts that looked like real ones so that they could stream with no risk!  It is all a blatantly cynical cash grab.

But one of the worst parts of the whole thing, as can be seen in his very thread, is that because there is one-on-one interaction between the viewer and the advertiser, the viewer develops an emotional attachment.  So when their favorite advertiser is called out, they don't want to see it -- because to admit to liking, and often spending hundreds of hours watching, something that is completely unreal, is to admit to being fooled.
 

When this whole thing crashes and burns, who do you think the fall guys are going to be?  Because I can guarantee you it won't be the casinos.  They're going to place all the blame directly onto the streaming advertisers, just like, as you can see in this thread, the advertisers are trying to do to their viewers.  -- "If they have a gambling problem, they shouldn't watch!"

That's a good point @nomoregamblingstreams, I do agree with you that if you just watched the big win clips then you could think that this always happens. But if you watch the streamers live you will see them lose more money than they win. This is a fascinating topic, I hope that something comes from it that everybody can be happy with.  

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6 minutes ago, nomoregamblingstreams said:

No, you are conflating issues and purposefully muddying the water.  I'm not here to argue with sycophants though.  I don't have anything else to add -- thank you for giving me a platform to share my opinion & I look forward to seeing how this plays out in the coming months.

So anybody that disagrees with you is a sycophant. Tells me more about you then me. Good luck with your crusade though.

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4 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

Cant comment cause you know exactly what is going on!  Nickslots, Letsgiveitaspin and David Labowsky have secured a tasty little deal to draw in as many punters as possible.  No time before did 3 casinogrounds streamers use the same casino for live streams.  Kim was leo, nick was risk/casumo and david was superlenny.

 

Hightoller has only been available in the UK for a very short time. Besides that, the deals are different in the UK than in The Netherlands. So it doesn’t make sense what you say.

the CS streamers do their research into casino’s

and yes, they do make money. Would be silly if they wouldn’t. Wake up. 

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An absolute hogwash of a post!!!!!!  BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS and if you feel you have a problem then get the help you need from the NUMEROUS RESOURCES available to you.   Deflecting your addiction issues onto other people such as affiliate streamers is laughable so I'd like to start a petition to ban the SNOWFLAKE generation who simply cannot comprehend that their own actions have consequences........

 

/end rant.

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55 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

Ive skimmed through the few latest comments and gonna answer some or give my opinion:

1. Someone said we do not tell that we earn from the links: wrong. repeatedly stated by all.

 

2. Crusade against "fake" streamers. We dont even say a word about these for over a year now - simply though to understand, would you like it if you were a streamer playing your own money and then theres some guys coming with 10k "Deposit" of fake money every stream buying viewbots etc deceiving people to the fullest (these should get banned anyway that is just fraud)

 

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

3.2 Affiliate is immoral - Hello what the F? You as a player get more benefits than before, you are not forced to play anyway, if you dont use the link the casino gets 100% of the money - if you choose the links you may get better rewards, and part of the money you may lose goes to the streamer. If you feel better by having less rewards and lose your money fully to the company behind the casino you are well damn free to do so. Nobody is forced on any of this, so i dont see one reason to complain.

 

4. All and for once - problem gamblers should look to solve their issues - advised to not even watch streams. Some people it helps to stay off gambling watching though. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS PLEASE. STOP BLAMING. You say what if problem gamblers watch you, well its quite damn hard to find any of us unless you actively search for it or have been watching tons of Slot material before - in which case , how is that our problem? If all streamers were to be banned those people would watch slots somewhere else or go to gamble themselves anyway its not tackling their problem in the slightest

Slotspinner. Again, I personally am not blaming you, Paul, Kim etc. However, it will be hard for you to understand what kind of problem the UK faces when it comes to suicide, poverty and crime due to gambling. I assume it is not as bad in Sweden or Germany. Sorry mate, we have to face the reality. Online gambling should have never been introduced in the first place. When you go to a physical casino and touch physical money, when you see other people around you lose, you think more about how you are ough to behave with your money. 

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18 minutes ago, ClogsInBronteland said:

Hightoller has only been available in the UK for a very short time. Besides that, the deals are different in the UK than in The Netherlands. So it doesn’t make sense what you say.

the CS streamers do their research into casino’s

and yes, they do make money. Would be silly if they wouldn’t. Wake up. 

They all are part of casinogrounds, not saying its the same deal but a bit of a coincidence that a brand new casino is getting used by the 3 cg streamers

@Slotspinner you have no idea how bad the UK problem is, there is 5 and 6 bookmakers on some streets in the UK.

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17 minutes ago, Ziggy said:

Slotspinner. Again, I personally am not blaming you, Paul, Kim etc. However, it will be hard for you to understand what kind of problem the UK faces when it comes to suicide, poverty and crime due to gambling. I assume it is not as bad in Sweden or Germany. Sorry mate, we have to face the reality. Online gambling should have never been introduced in the first place. When you go to a physical casino and touch physical money, when you see other people around you lose, you think more about how you are ough to behave with your money. 

And you don't think people don't go mad in casinos or bookies when they lose more than that they can afford to lose?

All gambling is bad if not controlled whether that is done at home, the bookies, a casino or dear old mum playing bingo down the local bingo hall.

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13 hours ago, jchneo said:

Lets get serious here, and face the facts people, how on earth do these streamers afford to play hundreds/thousands a day, near enough everyday on slots, and keep this going? Affiliation must be a profitable business. I mean how on earth would i, with the decent income i have, afford to deposit £1500-£2000 a day like a lot of these do, not a fucking chance. If these streamers are promoting responsible gambling, why are they doing ridiculous stakes, spending thousands which i'd love to know where the hell thats coming from, are these people rich, i mean you'd have to be unless you are earning your slot money from shit loads of affiliate earnings. This is a big income for these players, there is no way a man can deposit 2 grand a day 4/5 times a week playing slots, let's say 8 grand a week, times 52 weeks, thats £416,000 a year. RocknRolla, what the fuck is he earning to spend that much on gambling, shit the guy must be a millionaire, literally. Time to disclose i think, either affiliation is mega profitable for these people, which means i dont think they are too concerned with your gambling problems, or the casinos are feeding them money. 

@jchneoReally good point and agree with everything in there, I have done the Maths as well regarding how much they deposit and it just doesn't add up and to even cover their losses they would need to be earning in some cases £200,000 + a year depositing those amounts and playing as much as they do. I heard a streamer say i budget for £1500 - £2K a day to stream gambling content to all his viewers !! responsible gambling at its best !!! 

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hello,

i think you being a lil bitch for real no dissrespect.

i try to tell you why in my broke english way.

Everything in this world has a dangerous side, excpecily with the social media shit i can talk with you about a lot of addictions for real i am sensitive for stuff that can addict you thats just the way i lived my whole life, on the edge but thats me personaly.

what got me at gambling was not a streamer or what else i did it myself because i lived a stupid life and begon very young to search for quick money and didnt see the dangerous side of it because i didnt see that about most of the shit i did.

I watch Rock n rolla for a veryyy long time, i can say the start of his streaming and the way he talked about it and what i saw was not someone who supported gambling, it was someone who slapped me in the face with facts about the danger because i litterly see him loose thousends of money and see him upset while i am safe behind my laptop watching. 

the story's of other watchers that overcome addiction and search for ''relieve'' at his streams.

what i say is, the most ''addicts'' dont come from Advertisement or streams, its the up-bringing , the place, the personal things , mental unstable stuff like that just that.

Thas like ban the movies because they support murder, rape, false love hope and all that shit. 

its just when people give fault to the streamers that says a lot of there personal situation. like you dont have a saying for youself,

so yeah its yo boy freddy hope you understand anyhting

 

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6 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

And you don't think people don't go mad in casinos or bookies when they lose more than that they can afford to lose?

All gambling is bad if not controlled whether that is done at home, the bookies, a casino or dear old mum playing bingo down the local bingo hall.

They do. But it is much easier to lose your mind and re-deposit by entering 3 numbers from the back of card than cash your hard-earned cash in on a blackjack table in the casino. 

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17 hours ago, ruho79 said:

Good point, at least people aren't drinking alcohol, smoking cigarettes and getting fat anymore. 

@ruho79 With tighter advertising regulations and public pressure/change in attitudes they are trying to sort this health and social problem out around the issues above, Lets get Gambling/online gambling content involved in this as well yes you agree ? 

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4 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@jchneoReally good point and agree with everything in there, I have done the Maths as well regarding how much they deposit and it just doesn't add up and to even cover their losses they would need to be earning in some cases £200,000 + a year depositing those amounts and playing as much as they do. I heard a streamer say i budget for £1500 - £2K a day to stream gambling content to all his viewers !! responsible gambling at its best !!! 

really bad point (nonsense basically)
lets follow the example of 416.000 deposit of a year
run on 96% Rtp of average slots lets say that would be a net loss of about 16,000 and that is not including all the deposit bonuses for streams.
Have you forgot cashouts?
you did some math, sure. Ive written down all of my streaming deposits and withdrawals for the whole year 2017 - please present me with your MATH and tell me how much im up or down?

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I'm not going to continue commenting here, but my final note will be that I got into gambling by accidentally coming across Kim's video on youtube. I do not blame him, at all, however, my first deposit on Leo made me lose over 15k in over a year. We have to recognise the issue and I think this forum is not the place where the issue should be discussed, as at the end of the day, its purpose is to draw in gamblers and not to deter them. 

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10 hours ago, Slotplayer said:

Because I took a break, is exactly why I don't have a problem gambling. If I was a problem gambler I would have dipped into my savings, sold some of my shares etc. to fund the habit. But I didn't and I won't.

And not every streamer pumps in £1k - £2k a day. Last week, I put in £300 and made £800 which paid for this week's £300 deposit that I this week turned into a £100 profit. So now I have £900 which at worse will last me another 3 streams. My next stream is not until next week because I have a job to go to. So that will be £300 spent in 3 weeks assuming the £900 goes next week.

You do understand the difference between a minor gambling problem to gambling addiction up to compulsive gambling addition, By you explaining your own individual situation doesn't cover the topic of "gambling addition" in all forms (how ever if you have had any issues from minor to compulsive you shouldn't be gambling). 

 

By the way I think you do have a problem with gambling because you had to stop, the problem will get worse and worse until you dont even realise your a complusive gambler as playing slots is normalised for you. If you ever need help im allways here to talk to any one who needs it if i can help in any way. 

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7 hours ago, SpartaFC said:

It's not deceptive because he does it in front of everyone and tells them what he is doing

 

I would say almost all viewers of most of the streamers know exactly how bonus money, wagering requirements etc work.

I am not here to say slots are not problematic

They can, and will, take every penny from you if you are not careful, cash out when ahead and don't chase elusive bonuses

 going on a moral crusade against streamers seems to be sour grapes to be honest,

You probably lost a lot gambling and are jealous of a few who have managed to make it work for them.

You said it "a few who have made it work for them" and the damage it causes to a large amount of others. 

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10 minutes ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

You do understand the difference between a minor gambling problem to gambling addiction up to compulsive gambling addition, By you explaining your own individual situation doesn't cover the topic of "gambling addition" in all forms (how ever if you have had any issues from minor to compulsive you shouldn't be gambling). 

 

By the way I think you do have a problem with gambling because you had to stop, the problem will get worse and worse until you dont even realise your a complusive gambler as playing slots is normalised for you. If you ever need help im allways here to talk to any one who needs it if i can help in any way. 

I stopped because I wasn't enjoying the bad after bad session anymore and wasn't prepared to throw good money after bad. That makes me a responsible gambler and not a problem gambler of any description. 

I won't touch slots now till Monday.

And if I do need help the last person I will go to is an anonymous person on the internet - no disrespect to you.

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37 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Freddy from the hoodno need to insult people, can u come back when u can actually type proper English

That is well out of order! We are here from all sorts of countries, all over the world. We all have the right to express opinions. 

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