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Hi all, 

I signed up simply to add to this thread, however I have been lurking around for some time.

My story/view:

I used to gamble a considerable amount, almost every day. That was my choice, and I alone can be blamed for that. I got into some financial difficulty because of the gambling, which meant I had to cut down on spending on other things. Was I addicted? No. I enjoy gambling... A lot. I chose to continue, despite the problems I was facing. Admittedly, I was not gambling to quite the extent, as I was struggling to pay off the debts I had built up. Again, this was my choice, no addiction. 

I was lucky however to win a slot jackpot (circa £165k), which I used to clear my debts, and did good things with the money.

I did put some of it back in over some months following, but not through addiction, but through choice. But I decided that I would almost completely give up gambling as I knew it could lead me to be in a bad situation again. So I chose to stop, well almost.

These days, I very rarely gamble, and never with money I cannot afford to lose. But what I do do, is watch streamers and their videos. Do I feel compelled to gamble when watching? Absolutely not. I choose not to gamble. I am in control of my mind.

You see, some people do suffer mental health issues, and that is sad and something that needs to be addressed. And these people would likely develop issues regardless of whether they watch streamers and/or their videos. That is something that is easily forgotten by those wishing to address what they perceive as the problems.

Take a person with mental health problems that goes on to shoot someone because of it. Would they have killed someone if they did not have a gun? Probably yes. Do all the millions of people who watch sports over and over suddenly all want to play those sports? Of course not. Gambling streams/videos are in a way similar. If someone is susceptible to developing a problem, they will very likely do it whatever the setting.

So back to me... I watch and enjoy streamers and their 'Big Win' videos. They make me smile, I love seeing the reactions. 

You know what?, If you were to campaign for the removal or restriction of casino streamers, that makes you no better than those who impose restrictions on what people can and cannot watch in countries like North Korea, just because you perceive that the effect of the media will be so much worse than the reality will ever actually be.

The CG streamers, to me, have all, always been very open about deposits, bonuses,  affiliation and both wins and losses. None of them, do I feel, have ever made me feel like they are trying to force me to signup or to gamble. Sure, they mention their links, but then so do video gamers who have affiliate links to buy the games they play. Ban them? Don't be silly.

My last point is this, and let me make this very, very clear: If you gamble, it is YOUR CHOICE! Period. If you gamble, you must at some level WANT to gamble. If you don't want to, or don't like gambling, you won't. It really is that simple.

Thanks for your time. 

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4 hours ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@Slotplayer you have admitted to having a gambling problem yes you did something to help you and control it, how ever a Gambling addition problem of any kind lasts a life time it is part of you you can never get rid of the illness it stays with you for the rest of your life that is a medical fact please research this. The first thing for any one with a problem how ever bad it is (Minor up to compulsive) is to understand that just like alcohol addition it will never ever go away. Even if you say "I can control it" This doesn't mean you dont have a gambling problem and I think you are a addict from speaking with you who is also in denial, The worst place to be my friend. 

Thanks but I know myself better than you know me.

I posted the definition of  gambling addiction. That is not me.

I find your post rather patronising and insulting so won't be responding to you anymore.

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3 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

RocknRolla is a decent guy. Spoken with him a few times. The fact he has removed affiliate links tells us what he thinks and he's the biggest streamer around. 

If there's no problem then why would he do this? That's a question to streamers on here and those defending them by the way.

So how does taking the affiliate links help the problem gambler that still is watching the streams taking into account that gambling streams are to be banned according to this topic and every viewer is an addict.

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41 minutes ago, Slotplayer said:

So how does taking the affiliate links help the problem gambler that still is watching the streams taking into account that gambling streams are to be banned according to this topic and every viewer is an addict.

If you take a look at a quote from him given by the OP he doesn't like how affiliates are giving sales pitches and turning it in to a business in disguise. If the biggest streamer around recognises the problem then why can't you?

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4 minutes ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

If you take a look at a quote from him given by the OP he doesn't like how affiliates are giving sales pitches and turning it in to a business in disguise. If the biggest streamer around recognises the problem then why can't you?

Ok so Paul doesn't agree with it. His opinion.

But the OP wants all streams banned. So how does taking away affiliate links solve that problem.

I highlighted the bits for you:

Which takes me onto my final point which no one has picked up in the media yet (hopefully i can change this) is the rise of the casino affiliate marketing boom, Online casino streamers using you tube and twitch, They are affiliates for the casinos and spend hours streaming and posting gambling content online with links in there adverts getting there vulnerable watchers to sign up to the casinos they are promoting. Posting there big wins online making people think its actually possible to win ! In my opnion this has to be looked into as it is predatory behavior and needs to be fully regulated or in my opinion stopped completely. They make there money by getting people to sign up to these casinos and then make more money when they lose it is such immoral behavior. Below is the list of the main online casino affiliate streamers that people in the UK get persuaded into signing up to through their links. Not to mention the irresponsible promoting of gambling for hours after hours every day and night ! . (on you tube and twitch)

Paul will continue to stream and all the addicts (your words) will still be watching him. I thought it was that you wanted stopped.

Or is the real agenda here that as long you don't make money off the back of the streams/videos you are more than happy to continue to feed the addicts?

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@RyanMcSplooger according to slotplayer streamers have no part in people having a addictions, much the same ethics the drugdealers have, people are accountable for there own actions. What a Nice world we live in. 

Lets not help eachother lets all just take advantage of each other in the most horrific ways possible. 

As long as my paycheck from the casinos comes in i dont care.

slotplayer Seems to be very naive to belive that...

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3 minutes ago, Lokus said:

@RyanMcSplooger according to slotplayer streamers have no part in people having a addictions, much the same ethics the drugdealers have, people are accountable for there own actions. What a Nice world we live in. 

Lets not help eachother lets all just take advantage of each other in the most horrific ways possible. 

As long as my paycheck from the casinos comes in i dont care.

slotplayer Seems to be very naive to belive that...

Don't put words in my mouth. I never said such a thing.

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This is what was said on the very first page:

U dont have a clue 

how the eff is £10,£20 spins etc responsible gambling?

get a grip

Lots of videos about doing that (and some more!!). Most of which are without links.

Is that OK to be shown? Or only without links so the addicts (according to some) can continue to watch it to satisfy their needs (according to some)

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22 hours ago, Ban online casinostreaming said:

@ruho79 sorry i dont understand your reply, Please explain ? Isnt this free speech and your still here so want to engage in a conversation ? I really dont mind if you have a problem with me at all just dont get involved if you dont want to, Peace man. 

You're playing some champion of freedom of speech, when effectively your agenda is the complete opposite 

 

you don't like freedom of speech, you loathe it 

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Is this a sticky or non sticky thread? What’s the wagering?? 

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44 minutes ago, Marcossvon said:

Is this a sticky or non sticky thread? What’s the wagering?? 

haha, 35x standard lol

 

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44 minutes ago, Marcossvon said:

Is this a sticky or non sticky thread? What’s the wagering?? 

This is a sticky bonus with 555x wagering and max cashout is 2x your initial bet Kappa

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Slotplayer u dont deny the meaning of my last post, but Im Guessing its hard to understand kontext for you, since you only see things in black or white.

but i realized you have no real input in this topic / subject and for that no intrest for me , i wont comment anything from you further on, and i wish u the best pushing those links of yours😂

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10 hours ago, RyanMcSplooger said:

I fail to see how this guy is a troll when we are on a pro streamer forum and he has the support of a number of people. Take a look around on some of the comments of these videos and realise he's not alone in his thoughts.

The only ones who actually agree with you are pro streamers who are actually the minority. The general public wouldn't agree with addicts promoting casinos and they would not agree with people making money off others (gambling addicts) losses in such a non transparent way. 

A failure to understand who actually watches these videos is your downfall. It's a big circle of addicts. These videos are porn for gambling addicts and the makers want you to lose as much as possible if they are on a rev share based business model. 

 

 

Several aspects of this thread make me believe this is a troll post.

 

He stated from the outset that he has engaged authorities already, yet despite asking, there is no evidence of this - until i see a copy of correspondance already sent before the start of this thread i maintain its a troll, or at best, complete bullshit.

Who cares if he is alone in his thoughts or not - i disagree with his thoughts 

Why is anything a pro streamer does, or who is watching them my downfall - this is a nonsensical statement. I watch the vids, I am not an addict - unlike you, I would not presume that everyone that watches them is an addict, nor should you.

You should stick to your childish collusions to 'dislike' streams and videos and let adults decide what they do with their own time. 

What rev share/busines model they are on is their business.  Your business is your business, mines is mines.

 

 

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also, whay are people active on a casino streaming form if they hate casino streamers - seems odd, reeks of attention and jealousy - back to Minecraft pls kids.

 

 

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1 hour ago, ruho79 said:

You're playing some champion of freedom of speech, when effectively your agenda is the complete opposite 

 

you don't like freedom of speech, you loathe it 

Freedom of speech advocate who is anti freedom of choice and action - rofl

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25 minutes ago, TechnoJoe said:

Several aspects of this thread make me believe this is a troll post.

 

He stated from the outset that he has engaged authorities already, yet despite asking, there is no evidence of this - until i see a copy of correspondance already sent before the start of this thread i maintain its a troll, or at best, complete bullshit.

Who cares if he is alone in his thoughts or not - i disagree with his thoughts 

Why is anything a pro streamer does, or who is watching them my downfall - this is a nonsensical statement. I watch the vids, I am not an addict - unlike you, I would not presume that everyone that watches them is an addict, nor should you.

You should stick to your childish collusions to 'dislike' streams and videos and let adults decide what they do with their own time. 

What rev share/busines model they are on is their business.  Your business is your business, mines is mines.

 

 

I have engaged with the UKGC, ASA and Gamcare regarding this subject matter in the past. Proof can be shown if needed as well as a telephone call that states they are actively investigating this. 

Anyone who followed my previous videos knows what I've been doing. The OP could be doing the same.

The only one being childish is yourself. Look at my previous comments and tell me where I'm childish.

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This is an interesting topic, clearly dividing gamblers view if streamers or casinos have any responsibility for the alarming growth of problem gamblers. 

!No need to Read(if you agree that Casino Streaming have monetary incentives and are dependent on casinos)! 
Well some of you might now point out that the Casinos are the problems but not the streamers. You need to realize that streamers fully depend on Casinos to continue their streaming, they are not getting massive sub counts nor donations on twitch and couldn't make a profit streaming casino games without affiliate programs and daily bonuses from casinos. 

Someone might now point out that this streamer doesn't have any affiliate program nor takes any daily bonuses from casinos. Well then that streamer either doesn't have a viewer base or for some reason promote one of the fastest growing addictions for free. That would be insane if you ask me.

LeoVegas bought the majority(51%) in this site(Casinogrounds) for 4.5 Million Euros(1.5 Million of that deal will only be paid out if revenue goals are met in January 2018, but as LeoVegas states themselves they are  confident that Casinogrounds will hit those goals), that puts it to an evaluation of 9 million euros. This site was made on the foundation of top streamers on twitch and big hits youtube videos. Casino Streams are big business and I don't care if some of the streamers doesn't make their fair share.

!Jump to here!

The original poster states that a ban on casino streamers is a requirement to slow down the growth on gambling addiction and also limiting it. 

Especially the statement that casino streams would add to the growth of gambling addiction have been questioned in this thread. A point have been made that big hit videos on youtube and casino streams on twitch are not easily stumbled upon. While there is a truth to that statement one can easily be introduced to these streams and videos thru a third party(A friend perhaps) or see the casino section on twitch and curiously take a gander on what is going down in that section. 

If we instead ask ourselves the simple question "would there be faster growth with streaming/big hit videos or would the growth be the same without it?", does the knowledge that its hard for a first time internet user to navigate themselves to Big hit videos really matter? The answer to the question is undoubtedly, Casino Streams and big hit videos does add to the growth of Gambling addiction. If you somehow think it doesn't, then you are in denial. Every day businesses are making videos that they hope will go viral and be shared, they doesn't just hope that people will somehow navigate with the correct google search to their newly produced advertisement. 

The second part would a ban limit gambling addiction, this one is not questioned. Here the blame is instead moved to the gambling addict, the gambling addict is weak because he cant stay away from his addiction. This is not an uncommon view on gambling addiction but it is interesting that people who thinks and expresses this opinion rarely would say this about any of the other big addictions. With the exception of sugar, people who are fat only have themselves to blame(am i right? If you think I am read a book on sugar addiction). 

If a drug addict tries to quit drugs and we would read that they got pestered by their dealer on their way to work(radio), on their phone, in their mail and when they are home(Tv, email and the internet in general). All with the same message "Free drugs!" or "buy drugs and get more drugs free!". Wouldn't we feel like there is some injustice done to that person? But yes this isn't a perfect analogy because drugs are illegal and is by all accounts a stronger addiction than anything else. 

An alcoholic maybe, faces some of the same struggles as a gambling addict in some(most?) countries. Alcohol is readily available in stores, pubs, restaurants and a given at any social event. If an alcoholic wants to get clean that person needs to go to lengths of self control and eliminate things in their life that most of us take for granted. However I do believe most countries have more regulation toward alcohol and is better prepared to help someone that is struggling. I'm not sure on this but I do feel like there is an easier step to login at a casino and start depositing money than going out and getting alcohol. Not much of a difference but I feel its there.

!The important part here!

With all that said I am of the belief that a persons freedom to pursue her own interests is something we should protect and even accept interests that might be considered damaging, but not to a cost that is unacceptable to that person or our society. 

I simple think if businesses get knowledge of a serious problem within their market, they should take the appropriate actions to self-regulate that problem. Governments should not intervene to hastily with regulations, that could lead us to a dangerous heavy handed censorship of the peoples right to choose their own interests. 

If a business instead uses that knowledge to feed the problem for monetary gain the government should regulate that market, and if the government was forced to intervene the regulation should be forceful and vigilantly enforced. As a punishment but also as a warning to other markets.

The casino trade isn't in its cradle, they should have come together years ago to create a one button self exclude option for all casino games for any person that wanted to use that option. They shouldn't target gambling addicts and use the tools that they have created to milk every last borrowed penny out of them. Yes this is true, Casino makes most of their profit on gamblers they know are addicts.

Casino streamers are not at fault for what the casinos does, they have little say in this and I do believe every single one of Casinogrounds streamers are genuine when they say they started this as a hobby. Now it has grown and now you could see a point of trying to regulate it. How could casino streamers help?

They could use their position and leverage towards Twitch and youtube together with everyone that thinks there should be an option to opt out from having the ability to view big hit videos on youtube or casino streams on twitch. 

A petition with a statement that we want viewers to be given the option if their account should be able to search and watch gambling related content, and also that you aren't able to view Gambling related content without creating an account. 

(Now I know some of you might try to throw this suggestions out because of loot boxes, but as of now no government does yet view this as gambling. I'm sure they in the near future will but casino streamers have no responsibility for this.)

Sorry for the long post, if you made it this far: Have a cookie!

 

 

 

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After rereading my post I am afraid people will get hung up on the word leverage in the last part. Please understand this is not a statement that casino streamers would have a major leverage towards either twitch or youtube. I mean any leverage that streamers or customers at twitch and youtube might have. 

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6 hours ago, Lokus said:

Slotplayer u dont deny the meaning of my last post, but Im Guessing its hard to understand kontext for you, since you only see things in black or white.

but i realized you have no real input in this topic / subject and for that no intrest for me , i wont comment anything from you further on, and i wish u the best pushing those links of yours😂

My reply to your post is pretty clear.

As to no real input in this topic. Not real for you because it disagrees with your agenda.

I previously made the effort to listen, went into live streams and made adjustments to my Youtube and Twitch channels following feedback within that stream and another discussion on this forum.

I will leave it for the reader to conclude whether I see things black or white only.

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3 hours ago, someguy123 said:

This is an interesting topic, clearly dividing gamblers view if streamers or casinos have any responsibility for the alarming growth of problem gamblers. 

!No need to Read(if you agree that Casino Streaming have monetary incentives and are dependent on casinos)! 
Well some of you might now point out that the Casinos are the problems but not the streamers. You need to realize that streamers fully depend on Casinos to continue their streaming, they are not getting massive sub counts nor donations on twitch and couldn't make a profit streaming casino games without affiliate programs and daily bonuses from casinos. 

Someone might now point out that this streamer doesn't have any affiliate program nor takes any daily bonuses from casinos. Well then that streamer either doesn't have a viewer base or for some reason promote one of the fastest growing addictions for free. That would be insane if you ask me.

LeoVegas bought the majority(51%) in this site(Casinogrounds) for 4.5 Million Euros(1.5 Million of that deal will only be paid out if revenue goals are met in January 2018, but as LeoVegas states themselves they are  confident that Casinogrounds will hit those goals), that puts it to an evaluation of 9 million euros. This site was made on the foundation of top streamers on twitch and big hits youtube videos. Casino Streams are big business and I don't care if some of the streamers doesn't make their fair share.

!Jump to here!

The original poster states that a ban on casino streamers is a requirement to slow down the growth on gambling addiction and also limiting it. 

Especially the statement that casino streams would add to the growth of gambling addiction have been questioned in this thread. A point have been made that big hit videos on youtube and casino streams on twitch are not easily stumbled upon. While there is a truth to that statement one can easily be introduced to these streams and videos thru a third party(A friend perhaps) or see the casino section on twitch and curiously take a gander on what is going down in that section. 

If we instead ask ourselves the simple question "would there be faster growth with streaming/big hit videos or would the growth be the same without it?", does the knowledge that its hard for a first time internet user to navigate themselves to Big hit videos really matter? The answer to the question is undoubtedly, Casino Streams and big hit videos does add to the growth of Gambling addiction. If you somehow think it doesn't, then you are in denial. Every day businesses are making videos that they hope will go viral and be shared, they doesn't just hope that people will somehow navigate with the correct google search to their newly produced advertisement. 

The second part would a ban limit gambling addiction, this one is not questioned. Here the blame is instead moved to the gambling addict, the gambling addict is weak because he cant stay away from his addiction. This is not an uncommon view on gambling addiction but it is interesting that people who thinks and expresses this opinion rarely would say this about any of the other big addictions. With the exception of sugar, people who are fat only have themselves to blame(am i right? If you think I am read a book on sugar addiction). 

If a drug addict tries to quit drugs and we would read that they got pestered by their dealer on their way to work(radio), on their phone, in their mail and when they are home(Tv, email and the internet in general). All with the same message "Free drugs!" or "buy drugs and get more drugs free!". Wouldn't we feel like there is some injustice done to that person? But yes this isn't a perfect analogy because drugs are illegal and is by all accounts a stronger addiction than anything else. 

An alcoholic maybe, faces some of the same struggles as a gambling addict in some(most?) countries. Alcohol is readily available in stores, pubs, restaurants and a given at any social event. If an alcoholic wants to get clean that person needs to go to lengths of self control and eliminate things in their life that most of us take for granted. However I do believe most countries have more regulation toward alcohol and is better prepared to help someone that is struggling. I'm not sure on this but I do feel like there is an easier step to login at a casino and start depositing money than going out and getting alcohol. Not much of a difference but I feel its there.

!The important part here!

With all that said I am of the belief that a persons freedom to pursue her own interests is something we should protect and even accept interests that might be considered damaging, but not to a cost that is unacceptable to that person or our society. 

I simple think if businesses get knowledge of a serious problem within their market, they should take the appropriate actions to self-regulate that problem. Governments should not intervene to hastily with regulations, that could lead us to a dangerous heavy handed censorship of the peoples right to choose their own interests. 

If a business instead uses that knowledge to feed the problem for monetary gain the government should regulate that market, and if the government was forced to intervene the regulation should be forceful and vigilantly enforced. As a punishment but also as a warning to other markets.

The casino trade isn't in its cradle, they should have come together years ago to create a one button self exclude option for all casino games for any person that wanted to use that option. They shouldn't target gambling addicts and use the tools that they have created to milk every last borrowed penny out of them. Yes this is true, Casino makes most of their profit on gamblers they know are addicts.

Casino streamers are not at fault for what the casinos does, they have little say in this and I do believe every single one of Casinogrounds streamers are genuine when they say they started this as a hobby. Now it has grown and now you could see a point of trying to regulate it. How could casino streamers help?

They could use their position and leverage towards Twitch and youtube together with everyone that thinks there should be an option to opt out from having the ability to view big hit videos on youtube or casino streams on twitch. 

A petition with a statement that we want viewers to be given the option if their account should be able to search and watch gambling related content, and also that you aren't able to view Gambling related content without creating an account. 

(Now I know some of you might try to throw this suggestions out because of loot boxes, but as of now no government does yet view this as gambling. I'm sure they in the near future will but casino streamers have no responsibility for this.)

Sorry for the long post, if you made it this far: Have a cookie!

 

 

 

Some interesting points.

For me a lot stems from frustration. We have been here before and as I said in my previous post, listened and made adjustments. The concensus last time was that streaming videos are OK but streamers were not clear that they earned money from it and didn't promote responsible gambling. Adjustments were made regarding this.

You said that streamers would not get donations and subscriptions without affiliate programmes and casino bonuses. During one of the previous live streams by PaulD all those against streamers were more than happy for a streamer to just get donations instead of affiliate income. In other words, the streamer is still generating income off the back of gambling material, albeit via a different means.

I have a feeling here that those against streamers are against streamers making money off the back of it under the pretence to look out for problem gamblers. They are not concerned about streamers that don't have affiliate links (a reference was made to RockNRolla who was applauded for it). But it doesn't stop the gambling addict watching Paul and putting that £100 in he really didn't want after seeing him hit big live on his non affiliate stream.

There is already a lot of regulation regarding affiliation. Streamers (as well as web site affiliates) need to comply to ASA standards. Affiliates have to comply with the casino's affiliate terms and conditions. With a casino being directly responsible for the action of their affiliates and with the UKGC and ASA recently taking action, the casinos will quickly close an affiliate account if it breaches any regulations.

The "anti streamers community" need to be very clear what they exactly want but amongst that community there is a lot of division and disagreement. As a streamer you make adjustments, get good feedback regarding this for the goal posts to then suddenly move. And then people are wondering why our subsequent reactions are a little defensive.

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@Slotplayer In my opinion there is no need to have casino streamers at all.  To me they do more harm than good. I also think a bookmaker should not be allowed to advertise on tv or radio.  Its the fact that gambling addiction is getting worse and worse everyday.  Not sure of the numbers but the UK has to be one of the worst in the world.  I am against any advertising by bookmakers or casinos anywhere not just via live streams.  Adverts and links do 1 thing only! Draw in punters who LOSE money.  Everyone knows bookies/casinos are there they dont need it put in front of them every day.   

Your comment

And then people are wondering why our subsequent reactions are a little defensive

more like childish with people like slotspinner making wild statements then going in the huff, jeez its a discussion with decent points on both sides

@Slotplayer can you please clear this up, is this statement true and the way it works with affiliates? this was made by slotspinner, You are happy to defend others streamers so please inform us as slotspinner refuses to clarify this rubbish he posted.  He treats us as if we are idiots.

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

 

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It is called a Hybrid deal

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2 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

@Slotplayer In my opinion there is no need to have casino streamers at all.  To me they do more harm than good. I also think a bookmaker should not be allowed to advertise on tv or radio.  Its the fact that gambling addiction is getting worse and worse everyday.  Not sure of the numbers but the UK has to be one of the worst in the world.  I am against any advertising by bookmakers or casinos anywhere not just via live streams.  Adverts and links do 1 thing only! Draw in punters who LOSE money.  Everyone knows bookies/casinos are there they dont need it put in front of them every day.   

Your comment

And then people are wondering why our subsequent reactions are a little defensive

more like childish with people like slotspinner making wild statements then going in the huff, jeez its a discussion with decent points on both sides

@Slotplayer can you please clear this up, is this statement true and the way it works with affiliates? this was made by slotspinner, You are happy to defend others streamers so please inform us as slotspinner refuses to clarify this rubbish he posted.  He treats us as if we are idiots.

3.1 We rely on players losing for income - No. The structure of most deals make it possible to earn when EVERY player is winning.

 

You criticise Slotspinner going in a huff when you did the very same on the first page of this topic telling Nicola she didn't have a clue when she arguably is more clued up regarding responsible gambling than me and you put together.

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6 hours ago, someguy123 said:

If a drug addict tries to quit drugs and we would read that they got pestered by their dealer on their way to work(radio), on their phone, in their mail and when they are home(Tv, email and the internet in general). All with the same message "Free drugs!" or "buy drugs and get more drugs free!". Wouldn't we feel like there is some injustice done to that person? But yes this isn't a perfect analogy because drugs are illegal and is by all accounts a stronger addiction than anything else. 

An alcoholic maybe, faces some of the same struggles as a gambling addict in some(most?) countries. Alcohol is readily available in stores, pubs, restaurants and a given at any social event. If an alcoholic wants to get clean that person needs to go to lengths of self control and eliminate things in their life that most of us take for granted. However I do believe most countries have more regulation toward alcohol and is better prepared to help someone that is struggling. I'm not sure on this but I do feel like there is an easier step to login at a casino and start depositing money than going out and getting alcohol. Not much of a difference but I feel its there.

Not that I disagree with most of the things your post mentioned, but this isn't a perfect analogy because of the reasons you stated, it's because it's incorrect.

How is a casino streamer pestering you? He/she isn't, he/she is providing a service that you have to actively seek up. It's like scolding a drug dealer for pestering you and forcing an addiction on you, when you spend a lot of time and effort locating one for service, if you wish to discuss it from an addiction point of view.  

If you want to change predatory advertising, take it up with the casino groups that condone affiliates that spam anonymously and without consent, or the TV company (MTV) that allows pretty much 100% of advertising to be casino advertising, or your respective government which allows gambling in every corner of your respective country.

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