Lightning Roulette, yeah keep playing it

[dirtystack]

Just to add to the above - starting this week with Pragmatics live casino drops and win promotion they have drastically reduced the prices ( they’ve split the prize pool in half basically and added the other half as prize drops) so it is not worth doing unless you play 24 hours a day as many tables as possible and go for 1st or 2nd position.

I can’t compete for first because there are people more hardcore then me - I never came first since June- always 2nd-10th using my judgement as to what position to push for and remain profitable.

13 minutes ago, Stevej said:

If we think about the physics of the wheel, it is million times more likely that the ball gets stuck between the numbers because some (magnetic) force is pushing it compared to the pure rotation force situation.

But you think it’s still the rotation force and lack of gravity in the closed Latvian studio?

But what do you know about physics to aid you in this thinking of physics????

What understanding of physics do you have?

Edited 18 November, 2021 by dirtystack

[damnyouwagering]

Imglad I stay away from roulette tbh, its called the devils table 666!!

[joshnadin]

1 hour ago, Stevej said:

If we think about the physics of the wheel, it is million times more likely that the ball gets stuck between the numbers because some (magnetic) force is pushing it compared to the pure rotation force situation.

But you think it’s still the rotation force and lack of gravity in the closed Latvian studio?

Go and hire a physicist and give them an unlimited budget, and get them to try and recreate what happened by designing a roulette wheel with magnets, or whatever other technology you want to incorporate. They will tell you it's practically impossible, and you're more likely to recreate the exact same event quicker by spinning the ball as many times as you can until the same thing inevitably happens again by chance.

Even after months of trail and error trying to recreate what happened, I can assure you that the same wheel designed with magnets or other result altering technology would not operate naturally on a spin-by-spin basis, and it would be extremely noticeable in the way the ball drops and is guided to a specific number on the wheel.

But again, we're missing the most important point here, that game providers do not need to rig their games, and it would actually not be beneficial to them, nor the casinos.

We've already established that the game provider does not pay out or take the money from the game result. It's the online casino. I've explained why this would not be sustainable. Myself and others have applied lots of logic as to why this simply wouldn't happen.

Yet, you're still here screaming: 

 

[Stevej]

5 minutes ago, joshnadin said:

Go and hire a physicist and give them an unlimited budget, and get them to try and recreate what happened by designing a roulette wheel with magnets, or whatever other technology you want to incorporate. They will tell you it's practically impossible, and you're more likely to recreate the exact same event quicker by spinning the ball as many times as you can until the same thing inevitably happens again by chance.

Even after months of trail and error trying to recreate what happened, I can assure you that the same wheel designed with magnets or other result altering technology would not operate naturally on a spin-by-spin basis, and it would be extremely noticeable in the way the ball drops and is guided to a specific number on the wheel.

But again, we're missing the most important point here, that game providers do not need to rig their games, and it would actually not be beneficial to them, nor the casinos.

We've already established that the game provider does not pay out or take the money from the game result. It's the online casino. I've explained why this would not be sustainable. Myself and others have applied lots of logic as to why this simply wouldn't happen.

Yet, you're still here screaming: 

 

I knew that the conversation goes to this meme level at some point.

Good luck with the games!

[dirtystack]

Oh SteveJ, I shouldn't do this but, well, here we go, you have become meme. You are now immortal.

Whenever anyone sees the following meme, they will understand the meaning:

 

That is what people will understand when they see the following meme, an image so beautiful in its simplicity.

Here it is, created with a love that will persist long after inflation renders the current understanding of physics redundant. 

Behold:

 

 

 

 

 

 

[joshnadin]

14 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Are you blind? It's just one brand that does happen to accept btc/eth as a legitimate payment method. Who do you think you are trying to prohibit me from making content on my own website? Lol.

Once again, I don't care what you do with your own time, your own money, and your own website.

You're on this forum promoting it. That's the problem.

The problem isn't the payment method being crypto. It's the fact that it's shady as fuck, unregulated, and should be avoided at all costs. No one ever said that crypto is an issue. I'd be happy for more mainstream, regulated and legit casinos to start accepting crypto.

I just made an account using a VPN from the UK, they gladly accepted me as a player. People with gambling issues that have signed up for such services as GamStop can circumvent those restrictions by doing the same thing. Yes, they're adults making their own choices, but you're facilitating that, and benefiting from that. That makes you trash by coming to a platform and advertising it knowing fully well you'll target those people on here.

People can sign up via your affiliate link that don't have gambling issues, get absolutely ripped off and have zero recourse as the casino is completely unregulated. But, you don't tell them that do you?

There are numerous ethical issues of you promoting that casino on this platform.

I must stress though, no one including me gives a fuck what you do or don't do with your own money and time, because I've had to clarify that to you twice now.

 

17 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

I am not sponsored, i am not funded, the streams you'll see in the future would be off my own cash, no bonus deals involved here, nada. If you have an issue with the casino your playing on using on my website your welcome to shoot in a ticket about it. We'll resolve you right away.

Who said you're sponsored or funded? I didn't. No one else did. I don't care.
It's not relevant. You seem to be going off on your own tangent.

[Stevej]

Where can I find the patents made by Evolution?
 

 

Edited 18 November, 2021 by Stevej

[joshnadin]

15 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Your seeking it way to far buddy.

With a VPN and your location coming from the UK and publicly posting this information on how to circumvent a gamstop makes you more suspicious then i do.

 

How else would you like me to clarify what I'm saying any further without literally spelling it out for you? Because the common sense approach clearly didn't work, did it? 🙄

 

11 minutes ago, Stevej said:

Where can I find the patents made by Evolution?
 

https://youtu.be/4iumD4amuk0

Evolution do not own the patents for the auto-roulette wheel that they use. They pay another company to make the wheel for them.

The patent for all variations of Auto Roulette using pressurised air to operate is owned by - https://www.cammegh.com/

You can find the details of what that patent consists of here - https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1613405B1/en

Edited 18 November, 2021 by joshnadin

[Stevej]

10 minutes ago, joshnadin said:

 

Evolution do not own the patents for the auto-roulette wheel that they use. They pay another company to make the wheel for them.

The patent for all variations of Auto Roulette using pressurised air to operate is owned by - https://www.cammegh.com/

You can find the details of what that patent consists of here - https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1613405B1/en

Okey, thanks for the info.

[Kreezymind]

3 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Ok moral knight. Why dont you write all sites then with your opinion on how to circumvent such casino's, the use of VPN and everything.

It's stated on my website that it would be best to seek a casino that is legal in your country. If you start using a VPN your already in breach of their own TOS and you can bet that there is a significant chance they wont pay you out due to the use of a VPN in the first place.

If you or another want to be so utterly stupid to take that risk, i cant fix stupid to be honest. There's a few key reason on how i select casino's, and one that breaks the given TOS is not one of 'm.

I've done my homework here, and i can pretty much assure that it will be a solid experience. I'm not promoting "offshore" places; you have'nt even looked at all. Your just looking for small peany weeny things to complain about and make yourself feel better.

Had a losing session last few days my friend? Seems like it.

I honestly don’t even know why you are even responding to him lol. Who cares what the slave of the casino has to say, ignore croupier boy 

[joshnadin]

Just now, Jeroen83 said:

Ok moral knight. Why dont you write all sites then with your opinion on how to circumvent such casino's, the use of VPN and everything.

It's stated on my website that it would be best to seek a casino that is legal in your country. If you start using a VPN your already in breach of their own TOS and you can bet that there is a significant chance they wont pay you out due to the use of a VPN in the first place.

If you or another want to be so utterly stupid to take that risk, i cant fix stupid to be honest. There's a few key reason on how i select casino's, and one that breaks the given TOS is not one of 'm.

I've done my homework here, and i can pretty much assure that it will be a solid experience. I'm not promoting "offshore" places; you have'nt even looked at all. Your just looking for small peany weeny things to complain about and make yourself feel better.

You're just spewing gibberish. What you have to say is never very coherent, relevant, or adds any value to whatever point I think you're trying to make.

Great that you state that on your website.
Stake and Roobet also stated the same thing in their ToS since opening, yet fully well knew the majority of their player base came from locations where they shouldn't be playing from.

But, even Roobet has recently introduced software where a VPN will not work. Whereas your affiliated casino has not implemented that.

If by now it hasn't sunk in, it's not going to sink in. I'm getting bored or having to very simply explain things to you.

 

6 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Had a losing session last few days my friend? Seems like it.

No! I haven't actually played for a good few weeks. But, thanks for asking! 😂

Seeing as you seem to care, I did have a very profitable cash game session last week though! Would you like the details? Or, would you like me to stick to the point at hand, which you've asked me to stick to on numerous occasions? 🙂

[joshnadin]

5 minutes ago, Kreezymind said:

I honestly don’t even know why you are even responding to him lol. Who cares what the slave of the casino has to say, ignore croupier boy 

"Slave of the casino." 😂👏

 

The casinos and game providers (even including Evo) pay me a very generous amount per hour for my expertise, and industry knowledge. They clearly value that I know what I'm talking about.

I would hardly say that constitutes being a slave, huh? 😉 

[joshnadin]

7 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Fantastic for you man.

But your generous salary here compared to what i make on yearly basis makes your little weenie shrink a bit more.

I never disclosed what I earn, or anything to do with my finances.

Your fellow tin foil hat wearer wanted to imply I was a 'slave' to casinos, and also implied more than once I don't actually do, what I say I do. So I provided some supporting evidence to contradict that.

Wealth is relative to everyone. For some people, £1000 is a lot of money, for others, they spend £500,000 in a day without a thought.
When did this turn into a dick swinging contest about how much money someone makes?

You have no clue about how much money I have, what investments I have, what assets I own, and I frankly don't want to share that information online.
However, from experience, the people that brag about having loads of money and what they make, tend to be broke and just trying to impress others by looking wealthy.

But, thanks again for your super invaluable input. 😁

Edited 18 November, 2021 by joshnadin

[joshnadin]

6 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

[quote]

I never disclosed what I earn, or anything to do with my finances.[/quote]

And yet you had to disclose your "generous" income by these casino's. Your stupid man. 

So, being called a 'slave' is implying that I do not get paid at all, or well. Or, that I have no choice in doing what I'm doing.

Would you like me to go and paste the link to the official definition for you so you can understand it properly? You do know what a slave is, right?

Stating that I get compensated generously for my time was not to show off that I make a certain amount of money. It was to emphasise that the industry leaders value my time, expertise, and knowledge enough to pay me that kind of money to help their business and operations. It was to show that I am in fact not a 'slave'.

If you had any form of intelligence or sense you may have realised that.

If I wanted to join in your dick swinging contest I would have not removed the hourly rate I get paid from my screenshot.

But hey, I should know better by now to not expect anything less from you!

Edited 18 November, 2021 by joshnadin

[dagreenblazer]

3 hours ago, Stevej said:

Where can I find the patents made by Evolution?
 

 

Dude......!!

 

You just queried the lack of gravity in the Evo studio........

 

Take my word for it when i say reading Patent Applications will be far, far beyond you!! 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can't deny, this has become the post that just keeps on giving!! 

Edited 19 November, 2021 by dagreenblazer

[joshnadin]

42 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

If you continue going on like that i'll just report you. Since your ass is in this thread it's bin nothing but a de-rail of the original subject.

This guy man.. 😂

You call me stupid. State things like 'what I make will make your weenie shrink', and give it out just as good as you're getting it.
Now you want to go and cry to the moderators and report me? What for exactly? Do you not like that I've had a reasonable, logical response to everything that you've said?

Hilarious.

Don't worry Jeroen, I'll leave you alone and won't make you look any more stupid than what you've already done yourself.

What you really mean is since I've been in this thread, and provided logical explanations that you have no conclusive argument against, you don't like it. Sad.

 

40 minutes ago, dagreenblazer said:

You just queried the lack of gravity in the Evo studio........

Absolutely beyond belief isn't it.

[Stevej]

2 hours ago, Jeroen83 said:

Ok, you need to login, be 18 years and above to watch content of Rocknrolla, but geez, watch that last spin on 33:53. Cant be real.

I’ve seen these weird scenarios happening too often. In every game I’ve played from Evolution. It’s not like one-two videos from Youtube - it’s new videos every second day. That video doesn’t prove anything like not any of the previous videos, because always somebody come up with new lack of gravity theories. But I have also played roulette in a land-based casino 15 years and never seen things like these happening.
 

I understand if people work for Evolution or have worked in the industry this is probably pretty sensitive topic and people get emotional when someone telling you the games are rigged. 

Keep on posting more stuff/shit/whatever!

[Kreezymind]

lol @ the screenshot btw, says fck all, where did you make that croupier? paint?

Would be no surprise that you are linked with Evolution. If you defend that video where the ball is stuck on top of a number and try to explain the logic of it, you are taking drugs way too often, end of.

Edited 19 November, 2021 by Kreezymind

[Kreezymind]

3 hours ago, Jeroen83 said:

Ok, you need to login, be 18 years and above to watch content of Rocknrolla, but geez, watch that last spin on 33:53. Cant be real.

Do you see any space on this wheel for the ball to get stuck on the position in the video? I dont. And thats just an example of one wheel. Those wheels are made so that shit like this doesnt happen, and it shouldnt unless you tamper with it.

Edited 19 November, 2021 by Kreezymind

[terror_82]

5 minutes ago, Kreezymind said:

Do you see any space on this wheel for the ball to get stuck on the position in the video? I dont. And thats just an example of one wheel. Those wheels are made so that shit like this doesnt happen, and it shouldnt unless you tamper with it.

Hi guys I work in that studio and that day we had an air conditioning too strong and the air currents kept the ball between the numbers until finally somebody realized to turned it off...

[Kreezymind]

3 hours ago, terror_82 said:

Hi guys I work in that studio and that day we had an air conditioning too strong and the air currents kept the ball between the numbers until finally somebody realized to turned it off...

Ah ok, finally an explanation. Close topic pls

[joshnadin]

14 hours ago, Stevej said:

I’ve seen these weird scenarios happening too often. In every game I’ve played from Evolution. It’s not like one-two videos from Youtube - it’s new videos every second day.

As I mentioned way back at the beginning, that's because these things happen way more often than you would think.

14 hours ago, Stevej said:

But I have also played roulette in a land-based casino 15 years and never seen things like these happening.

Your exposure to a roulette wheel in a casino over 15 years is nowhere near that of multiple auto-roulette wheels consistently spinning thousands of times, every single day, from different providers. You just can't use that as any kind of basis for what you're saying.

14 hours ago, Stevej said:

I understand if people work for Evolution or have worked in the industry this is probably pretty sensitive topic and people get emotional when someone telling you the games are rigged. 

Regardless of if I'm in the industry, or have worked with Evo, it's not about getting emotional or being sensitive. It's about common sense and logic. Looking at perfectly reasonable explanations, and you not wanting to know, for whatever reason.

 

14 hours ago, Kreezymind said:

lol @ the screenshot btw, says fck all, where did you make that croupier? paint?

Would be no surprise that you are linked with Evolution. If you defend that video where the ball is stuck on top of a number and try to explain the logic of it, you are taking drugs way too often, end of.

I did use paint to crop the image actually! Thanks for noticing! 😁

You can ask me for whatever credentials you want, and I'll be happy to provide them so long as any sensitive information is not shared. 

But, I can't continue to try and have any form of intelligent conversation with someone who thought a land based casino game has no RTP. That just shows how much you don't understand the topic you're talking about. Everything you've 'contributed' has zero intelligence, sense, or reason behind it.

As for categorically denying all form of perfectly reasonable explanation and instead insisting that things must be 'rigged', whatever you think rigged is, I'd say you're the far more likely candidate for taking drugs too often.

--

If you come across any actual evidence, data, or sensible theory whatsoever, I'll be happy to continue a discussion with you. Until that point, it's like trying to convince Flat Earthers that they're not bat shit crazy for denying simple science, and all rhyme and reason that de-bunks their bizarre conspiracy theories.

I'll leave you all to your circle jerk. Enjoy! 🙂

[Stevej]

37 minutes ago, joshnadin said:

As I mentioned way back at the beginning, that's because these things happen way more often than you would think.

Your exposure to a roulette wheel in a casino over 15 years is nowhere near that of multiple auto-roulette wheels consistently spinning thousands of times, every single day, from different providers. You just can't use that as any kind of basis for what you're saying.

Regardless of if I'm in the industry, or have worked with Evo, it's not about getting emotional or being sensitive. It's about common sense and logic. Looking at perfectly reasonable explanations, and you not wanting to know, for whatever reason.

 

I did use paint to crop the image actually! Thanks for noticing! 😁

You can ask me for whatever credentials you want, and I'll be happy to provide them so long as any sensitive information is not shared. 

But, I can't continue to try and have any form of intelligent conversation with someone who thought a land based casino game has no RTP. That just shows how much you don't understand the topic you're talking about. Everything you've 'contributed' has zero intelligence, sense, or reason behind it.

As for categorically denying all form of perfectly reasonable explanation and instead insisting that things must be 'rigged', whatever you think rigged is, I'd say you're the far more likely candidate for taking drugs too often.

--

If you come across any actual evidence, data, or sensible theory whatsoever, I'll be happy to continue a discussion with you. Until that point, it's like trying to convince Flat Earthers that they're not bat shit crazy for denying simple science, and all rhyme and reason that de-bunks their bizarre conspiracy theories.

I'll leave you all to your circle jerk. Enjoy! 🙂

No point of bringing any evidence to you. You wouldn’t step out from your bubble even the ball was flying around that room. And nobody cares if you don’t wanna even question this thing. I’m telling here people to be careful when they play. It’s the stupidiest thing in the world to play live casino games - hosted from Latvia, licensed from Malta - without question how the games work.
 

And you just told everybody you work with these companies so totally understand your naive thinking.

Edited 19 November, 2021 by Stevej

[joshnadin]

1 minute ago, Stevej said:

No point of bringing any evidence to you. You wouldn’t step out from your bubble even the ball was flying around that room. 

Mate, of course I would.

But it has to be actual evidence. Concrete proof that something is off. Not just a video of something strange happening. Believe it or not, I would be the first to expose any shady shit, I'm strongly against anything that isn't completely transparent and open to the player. Before anything, I'm also a player myself, and I absolutely love the gambling community.

 

4 minutes ago, Stevej said:

You just told everybody you work with these companies so totally understand your naive thinking.

Okay, you have a point. I could have a biased opinion due to working with some of the brands in question. I get that.

But, I have nothing to gain as an independent contractor to defend them. I'm not on the company payroll. As previously stated, I would question anything that I believed to be dishonest. In fact, I regularly do so.

You're not in a position to call anyone naïve when your throwing around completely baseless theories and refusing to acknowledge some really simple facts.
You've had the opportunity to question me on anything you want, use my inside knowledge to understand how things really work, but all you've done is throw around completely wild theories and spew gibberish without any basis, at all.

Look man. It's clear you won't be reasoned with. Your stance on the matter will never change. You're not open to it, and you don't want to consider any perfectly natural and rational explanation. It's just the same as trying to help someone who doesn't want to be helped, it's a waste of time and energy.

So again, feel free to throw any actual evidence in my face as soon as you come across it and I'll eat my words and hold my hands up. Until then, you do you buddy.

[joshnadin]

6 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

This guy.... You must impress your girlfriend every evening on the dining table are'nt you with your theory's and "field" experience.

Are you intrigued by my personal life, and sex life Jeroen?

Earlier you brough up 'my weenie', and now you're interested in what me and my girlfriend talk about around the dining table?  👀

But seeing as you ask. No! I'd very likely get the look of 'I wish he would shut the fuck up', rather sternly. That's why I thought I'd try and have sensible discussions with like minded gamblers on forums like this. However, it seems a sensible discussion is asking for a little too much.

"Field experience"? Weird. I never quoted that phrase once. I can tell English isn't your first language, but come on man, try harder to make a bit of sense! 🙂

 

10 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Cant deny the obvious thats bin posted here quite some times now.

Exactly! Finally some sense from you!

You can't deny the obvious that there is a perfectly logical explanation and there is no logic behind any casino or operator 'rigging' anything! I'm so glad you're finally starting to see the light, my friend.

Hey. I may even bring it up to my girlfriend during dinner that the Tin Foil Hatters are listening to a bit of logic and reason.. 😉