Streamers Like Ayezee Are Going To Ruin it For Everyone

[TommyBhoy]

Daskelele gets special treatment from gamdom so its all fake because it simply is not relatable to a normal players wagering. 
 

Its the same as a streamer getting a bonus every deposit.  
 

[Tobias Euphoria]

I belive every streamer is just pure bullshit. 

Theyre just there to marketing the casinos

Normal players NEVER FUCKING WIN this much as they do.

Played for 7 years and not a single win as they have everyday

Ban all streamers and let them play as normal People and we will see how Lucky they are when they not have a cam on them. Its all just for fool People into gambling. 

I could easily play slots for hours with tons of dead spin city and Max win 10x hahaha stupid fucking shit.

 

[Svenix]

 

4 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

Daskelele gets special treatment from gamdom so its all fake because it simply is not relatable to a normal players wagering. 
 

Its the same as a streamer getting a bonus every deposit.  

They hit 2000x's on daily basis as well. In the meanwhile, the Netherlands changed the law, so Dutch streamers lost their affiliate casino's and streamerbonuses and they all lose suddenly. I hate screaming slots are fake, but in the meanwhile I have lost a huge amount of money due to gambling and have the same feeling as some others. Winning while playing with a bonus until I'm almost done wagering and suddenly a coldstreak kicks in and I lose all the winnings. It's fishy, but staying away from gambling is hard.

[Tom4564]

Goodbye to all of them they deserve to go 

[TimoSchellekens]

did you guys see the clown with the cowboy hat win 9 million euros on a 2.000 euro spin last week? 🤣

[Swampfoxnz]

He’s a scam

[TommyBhoy]

The crypto streamers excuse is eventually you will hit big if you keep playing.

Its all bs

Even look at guys like Labowsky, Spintwix etc.

They have went months without big wins yet daskelele is hitting 5000x weekly.

 

 

[beetaillight]

42 minutes ago, TimoSchellekens said:

did you guys see the clown with the cowboy hat win 9 million euros on a 2.000 euro spin last week? 🤣

Yeah, that's Rosh. Another prime example of a person getting just too many huge hits by a casino who pays him millions a month to play there.

Last I saw he hit 5000x on Mystery Museum twice 2 weeks apart, 2-3 times 10000x on Book of Shadows in a 2 month span I believe, 9 million on a 4500x win on Wanted dead or a wild max bet a week ago and the list goes on and on and on where some people who talked here saying they played for years not getting a single hit like that.

I don't understand how some people can be so gullible as to think "casinos CANT manipulate RTP". It's just laughable since slots are just code and code can be manipulated, period. Also, casinos get different versions of a slot for testing purposes where they test it on sandbox environments and have control over it. Who's to say which version of the slot you and me get when we click PLAY and which version Rosh or the other guys are getting?

Believe it that anything that technically CAN be manipulated WILL be manipulated when it comes to casinos. Especially when most big casinos today are governed by some Curacao monkey license allowing them to pretty much do anything they want for 20k euros a year license fee.

[Svenix]

1 hour ago, Jeroen83 said:

Ive seen a unregulated casino be fined in Holland for approx  400.000 euro. The revenue for just one month was over 18 million euro ( https://5star.media/2021/05/24/luckydays-fined-e400000-by-dutch-regulator/ ) .. like what the hell.

3 Months.. But only deposits from the Netherlands.. Damn

7 minutes ago, TommyBhoy said:

Even look at guys like Labowsky, Spintwix etc.

There is something fishy about them too

[joshnadin]

15 hours ago, beetaillight said:

Believe it that anything that technically CAN be manipulated WILL be manipulated when it comes to casinos. Especially when most big casinos today are governed by some Curacao monkey license allowing them to pretty much do anything they want for 20k euros a year license fee.

Even the Curacao casinos don't need to manipulate anything to make a substantial amount of money. Actually, especially so as their profit margins are much higher due to not having to invest in expensive licenses, and having high expenditure ensuring they're operating within the guidelines and regulations that a reputable casino would have to do.

In general, your statement is false. Does the capability potentially exist to manipulate the RTP or functionality of a slot? Maybe. Do casino's do this? No. They don't have to. The slot is designed from the ground up with the inherit function of making profit over its lifetime and the majority of players losing when playing it. 

But the main takeaway here is, don't play at shady casinos and make sure they have an MGA licence, or equivalent in your country. 🙂

15 hours ago, beetaillight said:

Last I saw he hit 5000x on Mystery Museum twice 2 weeks apart, 2-3 times 10000x on Book of Shadows in a 2 month span I believe, 9 million on a 4500x win on Wanted dead or a wild max bet a week ago and the list goes on and on and on where some people who talked here saying they played for years not getting a single hit like that.

If you was to essentially be given an unlimited balance of fake money as these guys get, and play as frequently as these guys do, especially buying bonus', you will too come across hits like these just as frequently. Will you be in profit in the long-term, even with these kind of wins? No.
Of course people who have been playing for years will never get hits like that, simply because their bankroll will not allow the same kind of exposure to allow them to do so.

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Now, I hate the crypto streamers as much as anyone else. They're bad for the whole casino and streaming industry in general. I'm very aware that they're parasites.
But, the tin foil hat theories don't really help at all. To me, it just seems like a lot of people are angry that they aren't getting 'wins' like the streamers do. Even if streamers didn't exist, you still wouldn't be getting the hits that streamers do. So what would you be angry about then? That you've been playing at a casino for years and losing money? Well, I'm sorry to break it to you, but that's exactly how casinos are designed to operate. You're going to lose in the long run, and they're even transparent with you about this before you play there.

[beetaillight]

You missed the point in the RTP manipulation somehow.

Of course the slow is rigged from the ground up for YOU and ME to lose money. They don't need to manipulate anything to get money there. However, smaller, "Curacao" casinos which want to attract clients usually need an incentive to make people join and deposit. Since you don't see many casino commercials, what better way to attract the masses than to show them that people actually HIT HUGE on their casino? how to do that? introducing.... RTP manipulation. I'll just hit the WIN button a few times on a 1000, 2000, 10000 viewer twitch channel promoting my casino and voila - money!

On the flip side - would anyone deposit money when they watch a streamer constantly just losing and losing and losing on their casino?

This covers the "why should they?". "can they?" - well, I truly believe they can and there are many ways of doing so.

Regarding the big hits... seems you guys are just repeating the same thing over and over... "if you played unlimited amount of times you'll hit that too", "they play a long time". I'm giving you an UNREAL example of the NUMBER of HUGE HITS in a SHORT timespan, i'm not talking about UNLIMITED spins, i'm talking about getting multiple huge hits within a span of hours whereas there are people here who are playing for years who didn't get even 1. Does that seem reasonable?

Take it hour vs. hour. If a streamer is playing 10 hours a day for a month, that is say 720 hours. and Mr Joe gamber is playing for a year 2 hours a day, giving him the same 720 hours. wouldn't you say that the number of HUGE hits between the two should be the same ballpark? I'm showing you that it's far far far far away from even being the same game.

Regarding your last paragraph, it's also naive. Of course a casino is designed for you to lose and I don't think that ANYONE who's playing casinos doesn't know that. HOWEVER, when a streamer gets one version of a game which shows - "holy shit - i'm printing money here", it incentivizes gamblers to invest even more and losing even more. This is called FALSE ADVERTISEMENT. 

To sum it up, the problem is not "crypto casinos". They are just emphasizing the bad practices the industry is using. Easy licenses, loose regulation and too many ways to attract players showing them a pink world, giving them a shit show when they deposit.

 

Edited 22 October, 2021 by beetaillight

[joshnadin]

6 hours ago, beetaillight said:

This covers the "why should they?". "can they?" - well, I truly believe they can and there are many ways of doing so.

Strong emphasis on believe.

6 hours ago, beetaillight said:

Regarding the big hits... seems you guys are just repeating the same thing over and over... "if you played unlimited amount of times you'll hit that too", "they play a long time". I'm giving you an UNREAL example of the NUMBER of HUGE HITS in a SHORT timespan, i'm not talking about UNLIMITED spins, i'm talking about getting multiple huge hits within a span of hours whereas there are people here who are playing for years who didn't get even 1. Does that seem reasonable?

Yes, we're saying that because its logic, and simple maths.
It's your perspective that to you, it seems that way. Plus, because of your belief, confirmation bias comes into the equation. You load up slots back to back on demo mode, and play in the manner these guys do. You'll see a very similar result. I assure you.
But even though they get multiple 'huge hits', they actually still lose in terms being profitable in the long run on their streams. People watching just notice the 'big wins' and don't really keep track of the win/loss ratio. This would indicate that there is indeed a house edge, if there is a house edge, then that means that they get the same RTP as everyone else.

6 hours ago, beetaillight said:

Take it hour vs. hour. If a streamer is playing 10 hours a day for a month, that is say 720 hours. and Mr Joe gamber is playing for a year 2 hours a day, giving him the same 720 hours. wouldn't you say that the number of HUGE hits between the two should be the same ballpark? I'm showing you that it's far far far far away from even being the same game.

Roughly, yes. If you look at how many huge hits a person gets in the same time span breaking it down into hour vs hour you will find it's similar.
You've also got to consider that RTP is relative over the games life span, over every single player that plays that game. The more you play it, the closer you'll eventually get to the theoretical RTP, but no player will ever get the exact stated RTP. Even though every player will eventually lose in the long run if played long enough, some will lose more than others.

 

6 hours ago, beetaillight said:

Regarding your last paragraph, it's also naive. Of course a casino is designed for you to lose and I don't think that ANYONE who's playing casinos doesn't know that. HOWEVER, when a streamer gets one version of a game which shows - "holy shit - i'm printing money here", it incentivizes gamblers to invest even more and losing even more. This is called FALSE ADVERTISEMENT. 

It's the exact opposite of naïve.
However, you have no factual evidence or statistics to show that any streamer, crypto, or not, is getting a version of a game that has a different RTP to what a regular player would get. You just think that from your perspective, it seems excessive and something must be wrong. Come back to me with some data where you can show me the profit/loss and 'big win' frequency of a streamer that you allege is playing a manipulated RTP game vs an average player and I'll engage your point of view.
Until then, everyone else's knowledge of how the industry is actually regulated, understands maths and statistics properly, and applies a little common sense and logic will always prevail.

 

7 hours ago, beetaillight said:

To sum it up, the problem is not "crypto casinos". They are just emphasizing the bad practices the industry is using. Easy licenses, loose regulation and too many ways to attract players showing them a pink world, giving them a shit show when they deposit.

This, I wholeheartedly agree with, just not that any player or streamer is getting a modified RTP game.
Some streamers give a false perspective on gambling to entice people into a potentially addictive and harmful habit. It's especially even more of a problem when it's not real money, as they're promoting the harmful product, and getting rich from it, without actually exposing themselves to any of the harmful aspect of financial loss.

[Alex Beq]

On 11/07/2021 at 03:30, Derpthederp said:

Ayezee was completely transparent with the deposit bonuses he was using when that was how he played. Train and Ayezee are now also open to how the new stream is set up, that they get paid some amount by the casino each month. They have not mentioned exactly how much (Which makes perfect sense because they would not gain much from disclosing that information) it is but it seems plausible its in the range of like $1 million a month or more. 

The KYC And self exclusion is so stupid. When it comes to Self Exclusion, I've never had issues with self exclusion on Stake or Rollbit, but I have had issues with real money casinos where I tried to self exclude and they made it a pain in the ass and instead of self excluding me first offered me a reload bonus which is obviously shady as fuck. 

And same for KYC, I've played on over 10 different real money online casinos and have not once been asked for KYC before depositing. You can lose as much as you want and they don't care about KYC; only when you try to withdraw you need to verify. It's used as a barrier for withdrawal where you need to jump through hoops and wait like 5+ business days and its obvious that part of t is that they hope you will gamble back some of your winnings. 

 

$48 million comes with an expected loss of about 720k, I'd be pretty surprised if he is paid less than this by rollbit (especially if you take into account that part of the agreement for the current deal he is one is that he would be playing raw.) 

Feels pretty standard for comments like this to just throw out some number and say its clearly not legit without actually thinking about the numbers behind it though.

Now 720k would be average RTP on slots, but it could be possible that he has been running good lately so he culd have wagered $48 million and be up 720k for all we know. Which would make it even more plausible of being legit.

But the actual reality of it makes it even easier to explain, Rollbit review has a system where the #1 wagered player gets $5000 every day no questions asked. The current player has $150 million wagered (he is not a streamer/content creator by the way). Ayezee basically thinks it is inevitable for him to get the #1 wagered spot because he now plays rollbit exclusively, so he wants to claim the #1 wagered spot so he can get $5k a day which he could use for the stream etc. So he has been playing not just slots but also been playing games with a higher RTP (99%+) placing huge which mostly just break even so he can speed up his progression to the #1 wagered spot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Ayezee is not transparent 😁

 

[TommyBhoy]

If Ayezee is honest about his gambling then Im Brad Pitt

[joshnadin]

20 minutes ago, Jeroen83 said:

Yeah the amount of people still defending ayezee to this day is amazing. I mean trying to convince them otherwise is like trying to explain to some people that the earth is still flat.

Take a look at that. Since roobet is in, you can pretty much acknowledge that ayezee is in the same deal / boat. Obviously not with such a high payroll or salary. He aint that populair.

But the banning of crypto casino's offshore is a fact.

This whole mini-series by Coffeezilla and SomeOrdinaryGamers covering the crypto streamers and influencers was amazing!

[StonedTwat]

On 05/07/2021 at 14:44, LetsTalkFacts said:

Daskelele won over $220.000 again yesterday with a bonus buy... He keeps winning that 100k+ lately.. How is this even possible? He said he is up $600k last few months, since he's playing at Gamdom 🤔

😂😂 this casino can’t afford to credit this win, where does daskelelele at now?

[StonedTwat]

On 22/10/2021 at 23:45, joshnadin said:

Strong emphasis on believe.

Yes, we're saying that because its logic, and simple maths.
It's your perspective that to you, it seems that way. Plus, because of your belief, confirmation bias comes into the equation. You load up slots back to back on demo mode, and play in the manner these guys do. You'll see a very similar result. I assure you.
But even though they get multiple 'huge hits', they actually still lose in terms being profitable in the long run on their streams. People watching just notice the 'big wins' and don't really keep track of the win/loss ratio. This would indicate that there is indeed a house edge, if there is a house edge, then that means that they get the same RTP as everyone else.

Roughly, yes. If you look at how many huge hits a person gets in the same time span breaking it down into hour vs hour you will find it's similar.
You've also got to consider that RTP is relative over the games life span, over every single player that plays that game. The more you play it, the closer you'll eventually get to the theoretical RTP, but no player will ever get the exact stated RTP. Even though every player will eventually lose in the long run if played long enough, some will lose more than others.

 

It's the exact opposite of naïve.
However, you have no factual evidence or statistics to show that any streamer, crypto, or not, is getting a version of a game that has a different RTP to what a regular player would get. You just think that from your perspective, it seems excessive and something must be wrong. Come back to me with some data where you can show me the profit/loss and 'big win' frequency of a streamer that you allege is playing a manipulated RTP game vs an average player and I'll engage your point of view.
Until then, everyone else's knowledge of how the industry is actually regulated, understands maths and statistics properly, and applies a little common sense and logic will always prevail.

 

This, I wholeheartedly agree with, just not that any player or streamer is getting a modified RTP game.
Some streamers give a false perspective on gambling to entice people into a potentially addictive and harmful habit. It's especially even more of a problem when it's not real money, as they're promoting the harmful product, and getting rich from it, without actually exposing themselves to any of the harmful aspect of financial loss.

100%.. 

can prove this with 2 degen days. One on Gamdom, one on Stake. 
Scammatic games. Bonus buys. 
profit more than 106% is a myth. From a total of over 35 $10,000 +++ bonus buys. 
 

$160,000 on Scamdom. (They DONT pay big wins. Check Lil Devil slot for their 1338x Max cap after I hit a 14,910x (capable of over 36,000x this game in particular) 

when going to cash large you get “BTC BALANCE LOW, SYSTEM NOTIFIED”

another on Stake. $130,000 on 15 bonus buys all at $10,000

these streamers show unrealistic results. Seen Streamer Moe hit max win so many times.  I’ve achieved it twice, BOTH times playing on demo mode. Bought less than 10 fake bonuses when Stake allowed it - to see “potential” and 2/10 was max win.  Hence the disgusting chase that persuade.  I wrote to pragmatic after this and attached emails of both a $9 - $45,000 fake max win, along with a $80-$400,000 false win.  So I truely believe the games are manipulated in favour of streamer / game providers. I’d never spend a dollar again on a pragmatic game since their bonus buys are false RTP potentials with real money 

[joshnadin]

On 18/04/2022 at 16:54, StonedTwat said:

can prove this with 2 degen days. One on Gamdom, one on Stake. 
Scammatic games. Bonus buys. 
profit more than 106% is a myth. From a total of over 35 $10,000 +++ bonus buys. 

35 bonus buys is nowhere close to a large enough sample size to achieve a set of data that would be relevant.

But, I get what you're saying.

On 18/04/2022 at 16:54, StonedTwat said:

these streamers show unrealistic results. Seen Streamer Moe hit max win so many times.  I’ve achieved it twice, BOTH times playing on demo mode. Bought less than 10 fake bonuses when Stake allowed it - to see “potential” and 2/10 was max win.  Hence the disgusting chase that persuade.  I wrote to pragmatic after this and attached emails of both a $9 - $45,000 fake max win, along with a $80-$400,000 false win.  So I truely believe the games are manipulated in favour of streamer / game providers. I’d never spend a dollar again on a pragmatic game since their bonus buys are false RTP potentials with real money 

Yes, Pragmatic are a piece of shit provider people should probably avoid at all costs if you're an intelligent gambler and want a fair shot at winning.

There isn't any kind of 'streamer mode' though.

The reason you have the perception of so many max wins is simply the sheer number of spins/bonus buys a fake money streamer will put through the game, daily.

Does this change the fact that it's 100% non withdrawable 'monopoly money' used by streamers on crypto casinos? No. But streamers, real or fake aren't getting different versions of games that are available to ordinary players.

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The main point here is to just not play shit providers, and at shit casinos. Your money is better spent elsewhere.

[annamae britany]

I agree with you. The new trend with cryptocurrency and bitcoin made this market worse and much more complicated to be visible and appreciate.