Streamers Like Ayezee Are Going To Ruin it For Everyone

[Derpthederp]

2 hours ago, arw5533 said:

I think what any viewer wants is real money and upfront details on bonus terms. I find the CG streams I follow I am provided this information. 

Watch a Crypto streamer its a starter of a 100k+ like every normal gambler deposits...its also disgraceful as its leading people to sites with MINIMAL kyc and self exclusion protection.

Crypto may be a massive part of the future of the gambling industry but the clowns streaming it at the moment are profiteering and not transparent and as such I don't consider them trustworthy streamers. 

Ayezee was completely transparent with the deposit bonuses he was using when that was how he played. Train and Ayezee are now also open to how the new stream is set up, that they get paid some amount by the casino each month. They have not mentioned exactly how much (Which makes perfect sense because they would not gain much from disclosing that information) it is but it seems plausible its in the range of like $1 million a month or more. 

The KYC And self exclusion is so stupid. When it comes to Self Exclusion, I've never had issues with self exclusion on Stake or Rollbit, but I have had issues with real money casinos where I tried to self exclude and they made it a pain in the ass and instead of self excluding me first offered me a reload bonus which is obviously shady as fuck. 

And same for KYC, I've played on over 10 different real money online casinos and have not once been asked for KYC before depositing. You can lose as much as you want and they don't care about KYC; only when you try to withdraw you need to verify. It's used as a barrier for withdrawal where you need to jump through hoops and wait like 5+ business days and its obvious that part of t is that they hope you will gamble back some of your winnings. 

14 hours ago, TommyBhoy said:

Here is Ayezees stats since 9th of April 2021

 

Total bets - 213,482

Wagered - $144,580,216 

 

That is not a typo his stats say he has wagered $144 million.  Anybody genuinely still think he is legit?

So he has wagered $48,193,405 a month? 
 

 

$48 million comes with an expected loss of about 720k, I'd be pretty surprised if he is paid less than this by rollbit (especially if you take into account that part of the agreement for the current deal he is one is that he would be playing raw.) 

Feels pretty standard for comments like this to just throw out some number and say its clearly not legit without actually thinking about the numbers behind it though.

Now 720k would be average RTP on slots, but it could be possible that he has been running good lately so he culd have wagered $48 million and be up 720k for all we know. Which would make it even more plausible of being legit.

But the actual reality of it makes it even easier to explain, Rollbit has a system where the #1 wagered player gets $5000 every day no questions asked. The current player has $150 million wagered (he is not a streamer/content creator by the way). Ayezee basically thinks it is inevitable for him to get the #1 wagered spot because he now plays rollbit exclusively, so he wants to claim the #1 wagered spot so he can get $5k a day which he could use for the stream etc. So he has been playing not just slots but also been playing games with a higher RTP (99%+) placing huge which mostly just break even so he can speed up his progression to the #1 wagered spot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[TommyBhoy]

On 11/07/2021 at 01:30, Derpthederp said:

Ayezee was completely transparent with the deposit bonuses he was using when that was how he played. Train and Ayezee are now also open to how the new stream is set up, that they get paid some amount by the casino each month. They have not mentioned exactly how much (Which makes perfect sense because they would not gain much from disclosing that information) it is but it seems plausible its in the range of like $1 million a month or more. 

The KYC And self exclusion is so stupid. When it comes to Self Exclusion, I've never had issues with self exclusion on Stake or Rollbit, but I have had issues with real money casinos where I tried to self exclude and they made it a pain in the ass and instead of self excluding me first offered me a reload bonus which is obviously shady as fuck. 

And same for KYC, I've played on over 10 different real money online casinos and have not once been asked for KYC before depositing. You can lose as much as you want and they don't care about KYC; only when you try to withdraw you need to verify. It's used as a barrier for withdrawal where you need to jump through hoops and wait like 5+ business days and its obvious that part of t is that they hope you will gamble back some of your winnings. 

 

$48 million comes with an expected loss of about 720k, I'd be pretty surprised if he is paid less than this by rollbit (especially if you take into account that part of the agreement for the current deal he is one is that he would be playing raw.) 

Feels pretty standard for comments like this to just throw out some number and say its clearly not legit without actually thinking about the numbers behind it though.

Now 720k would be average RTP on slots, but it could be possible that he has been running good lately so he culd have wagered $48 million and be up 720k for all we know. Which would make it even more plausible of being legit.

But the actual reality of it makes it even easier to explain, Rollbit has a system where the #1 wagered player gets $5000 every day no questions asked. The current player has $150 million wagered (he is not a streamer/content creator by the way). Ayezee basically thinks it is inevitable for him to get the #1 wagered spot because he now plays rollbit exclusively, so he wants to claim the #1 wagered spot so he can get $5k a day which he could use for the stream etc. So he has been playing not just slots but also been playing games with a higher RTP (99%+) placing huge which mostly just break even so he can speed up his progression to the #1 wagered spot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

You are talking absolute rubbish!

Ayezee is not transparent, people like you think he is being transparent when showing crypto deposits/withdrawals. Showing this proves absolutely nothing. 

Can you guarantee the casino is not refunding these stakes?  
 

How you can even try and defend someone doing 200k bonus hunts, it tells us all how brainwashed you are.  Its very dangerous.  There is a forum on Reddit stating one of Ayezee’s old guests, Toby I think his name was, called him out for misleading viewers.  I dont have a link to the blog but do you not find it funny how Toby mysteriously disappeared from his streams and now he has guys like Foss on who the whole world knows is playing with house money.

Ayezee and others doing those stakes will take the full community down with them. 

[ts999777]

On 15/06/2021 at 11:45, TommyBhoy said:

blockchain address means nothing.

this

[dirtystack]

It says the casinos are a place to not just paste time but to also win huge amounts of money and then goes on to warn you about websites/casinos which try to entice you with the possibility of winning huge amounts of money.

Borderline retarded and completely unaware.

On 11/07/2021 at 01:30, Derpthederp said:

$48 million comes with an expected loss of about 720k

Can you show how you figured this out? 
This would only be true if playing a game with 98.5% RTP

I really doubt he is playing 1429 Uncharted Seas all day.

[dirtystack]

On 11/07/2021 at 01:30, Derpthederp said:

Now 720k would be average RTP on slots

It is well above average to only lose 720k from 48 million wagered.

With 97% rtp the expected loss would be 1.44 million. Almost every slot has worse then 97% RTP.  Can only think of a handful that have higher.

[damnyouwagering]

On 11/07/2021 at 01:30, Derpthederp said:

Ayezee was completely transparent with the deposit bonuses he was using when that was how he played. Train and Ayezee are now also open to how the new stream is set up, that they get paid some amount by the casino each month. They have not mentioned exactly how much (Which makes perfect sense because they would not gain much from disclosing that information) it is but it seems plausible its in the range of like $1 million a month or more. 

The KYC And self exclusion is so stupid. When it comes to Self Exclusion, I've never had issues with self exclusion on Stake or Rollbit, but I have had issues with real money casinos where I tried to self exclude and they made it a pain in the ass and instead of self excluding me first offered me a reload bonus which is obviously shady as fuck. 

And same for KYC, I've played on over 10 different real money online casinos and have not once been asked for KYC before depositing. You can lose as much as you want and they don't care about KYC; only when you try to withdraw you need to verify. It's used as a barrier for withdrawal where you need to jump through hoops and wait like 5+ business days and its obvious that part of t is that they hope you will gamble back some of your winnings. 

 

$48 million comes with an expected loss of about 720k, I'd be pretty surprised if he is paid less than this by rollbit (especially if you take into account that part of the agreement for the current deal he is one is that he would be playing raw.) 

Feels pretty standard for comments like this to just throw out some number and say its clearly not legit without actually thinking about the numbers behind it though.

Now 720k would be average RTP on slots, but it could be possible that he has been running good lately so he culd have wagered $48 million and be up 720k for all we know. Which would make it even more plausible of being legit.

But the actual reality of it makes it even easier to explain, Rollbit has a system where the #1 wagered player gets $5000 every day no questions asked. The current player has $150 million wagered (he is not a streamer/content creator by the way). Ayezee basically thinks it is inevitable for him to get the #1 wagered spot because he now plays rollbit exclusively, so he wants to claim the #1 wagered spot so he can get $5k a day which he could use for the stream etc. So he has been playing not just slots but also been playing games with a higher RTP (99%+) placing huge which mostly just break even so he can speed up his progression to the #1 wagered spot. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG The Ayezee fanboys are 100% flat earthers LMFAO!!

[Derpthederp]

On 14/07/2021 at 13:26, TommyBhoy said:

You are talking absolute rubbish!

Ayezee is not transparent, people like you think he is being transparent when showing crypto deposits/withdrawals. Showing this proves absolutely nothing. 

Can you guarantee the casino is not refunding these stakes?  
 

How you can even try and defend someone doing 200k bonus hunts, it tells us all how brainwashed you are.  Its very dangerous.  There is a forum on Reddit stating one of Ayezee’s old guests, Toby I think his name was, called him out for misleading viewers.  I dont have a link to the blog but do you not find it funny how Toby mysteriously disappeared from his streams and now he has guys like Foss on who the whole world knows is playing with house money.

Ayezee and others doing those stakes will take the full community down with them. 

The guy posting about Toby is just like most people calling streamers like ayezee, talking out of their ass without any proof. Toby and Ayezee still has regular interactions (can see ayezee links to Toby calling him the GOAT), Toby also streams on twitch now, poker and league, and regularly gets hosted by Ayezee. Should be obvious toby has not written some post calling ayezee fake but i'm sure you can just go on twitch and ask him. 

On 25/07/2021 at 03:55, dirtystack said:

It is well above average to only lose 720k from 48 million wagered.

With 97% rtp the expected loss would be 1.44 million. Almost every slot has worse then 97% RTP.  Can only think of a handful that have higher.

Rollbit (Where ayezee plays) gives about 50-55% of the house edge back when wagering so 3% house edge(97% RTP) becomes 1.5% actual house edge, which makes 48 million a 720k expected loss. 

[Derpthederp]

On 25/07/2021 at 04:11, Jeroen83 said:

You can signup, deposits tons of money, but the moment you hit withdrawl you'll get a shitload of checks that make zero sense. Due to the fact that there is no verification at signup and deposit, underaged can play at such casino's and would fall out of the sky when attempting to withdrawl. A completely bad and irresponsible way of promoting a casino.

 

This is how most real money (e.g "KYC oh so legit") casinos operate. They don't do any KYC checks as long as you are just depositing, but as soon as you want to withdraw even a tiny amount they add a bunch of hurdles where you need to post various pictures and wait for 7 business days for them to be verified, all while your money is stuck in the Casino (as they obviously hope you will gamble it back.)

 

I've cashed out somewhere in the range of $10k both on Stake and on Rollbit and it has always happened instantly, no questions asked. People can shit talk curacao license all they want (which is the only license you can get as a crypto casino I beieve?). I would 10000% recommend stake or rollbit over any other casino because they are just better. They are not shady, they are just more user friendly with faster withdrawals. I Can see why regulators would call them shady (because they let you use a VPN to circumvent geopgrahpical limitations), but I don't care about regulations I just want to gamble, and if I want to gamble on the best casino in terms of user experience and benefits 100000% that is stake or rollbit. 

If someone can tell me 1 real money casino that comes close in terms of better experience for a gambler please let me know because I've tried dozens of real money casinos and they have all been absolute shite and riddled with shady bonus offers requiring reading of fine print etc. If you get bonuses on stake or rollbit you can generally just cash them out without doing any gambling f.ex 

On 25/07/2021 at 11:25, damnyouwagering said:

OMG The Ayezee fanboys are 100% flat earthers LMFAO!!

This is the stereotypical response from people calling these streamers fake. "LOL SHEEP Believing its real, 1 million wins? LOL not real! It Can't be real" without being able to string together any sort of argument for why its fake. The only reason it is fake is because the amount of money is large, and they are not able to form a coherent argument on why it is fake, but it is very easy to make the counter argument both in terms of economics and human psychology for why its real. 

You people are delusional on how much money there is in online gambling and advertisement. Stake has billions wagered per week. Online casino is big business (and it has becoming a significantly bigger business, especially in terms of crypto casino, over the last 1-2 years).

Train has mentioned how much he is paid per month now ($1 million a month), which does not count his referrals, and honestly I think train could get paid more. 

This is how these players are able to play the stakes they are, they get paid a big flat fee from the casinos, and they then use that to gamble. 

If you want to call that fake because the casino gives them money then sure, but thats something they are open about. 

[damnyouwagering]

9 minutes ago, Derpthederp said:

 

This is how most real money (e.g "KYC oh so legit") casinos operate. They don't do any KYC checks as long as you are just depositing, but as soon as you want to withdraw even a tiny amount they add a bunch of hurdles where you need to post various pictures and wait for 7 business days for them to be verified, all while your money is stuck in the Casino (as they obviously hope you will gamble it back.)

 

I've cashed out somewhere in the range of $10k both on Stake and on Rollbit and it has always happened instantly, no questions asked. People can shit talk curacao license all they want (which is the only license you can get as a crypto casino I beieve?). I would 10000% recommend stake or rollbit over any other casino because they are just better. They are not shady, they are just more user friendly with faster withdrawals. I Can see why regulators would call them shady (because they let you use a VPN to circumvent geopgrahpical limitations), but I don't care about regulations I just want to gamble, and if I want to gamble on the best casino in terms of user experience and benefits 100000% that is stake or rollbit. 

If someone can tell me 1 real money casino that comes close in terms of better experience for a gambler please let me know because I've tried dozens of real money casinos and they have all been absolute shite and riddled with shady bonus offers requiring reading of fine print etc. If you get bonuses on stake or rollbit you can generally just cash them out without doing any gambling f.ex 

This is the stereotypical response from people calling these streamers fake. "LOL SHEEP Believing its real, 1 million wins? LOL not real! It Can't be real" without being able to string together any sort of argument for why its fake. The only reason it is fake is because the amount of money is large, and they are not able to form a coherent argument on why it is fake, but it is very easy to make the counter argument both in terms of economics and human psychology for why its real. 

You people are delusional on how much money there is in online gambling and advertisement. Stake has billions wagered per week. Online casino is big business (and it has becoming a significantly bigger business, especially in terms of crypto casino, over the last 1-2 years).

Train has mentioned how much he is paid per month now ($1 million a month), which does not count his referrals, and honestly I think train could get paid more. 

This is how these players are able to play the stakes they are, they get paid a big flat fee from the casinos, and they then use that to gamble. 

If you want to call that fake because the casino gives them money then sure, but thats something they are open about. 

LOL. I cant cope anymore stop it, I literally cant stop laughing at people like you

[dirtystack]

13 minutes ago, Derpthederp said:

gives about 50-55% of the house edge back when wagering

Sure that makes sense. Very few games have 97% rtp though.

Every additional tenth of a percent is 48k, 24k if he gets half back.

I've never watched the guy and never will unless by accident. 

13 minutes ago, Derpthederp said:

This is how most real money (e.g "KYC oh so legit") casinos operate.

KYC and age/id checks are completely different. Don't try to make out that, because KYC at regulated casinos is a pain in the ass, it is somehow comparable to facilitating underage gambling. It's a very bad example because allowing underage gambling is far worse ethically then pretty much anything.

@Derpthederp What could a casino do that is worse then allowing underage gambling?

 

[Derpthederp]

On 14/07/2021 at 13:26, TommyBhoy said:

You are talking absolute rubbish!

Ayezee is not transparent, people like you think he is being transparent when showing crypto deposits/withdrawals. Showing this proves absolutely nothing. 

Can you guarantee the casino is not refunding these stakes?  
 

 

It's literally impossible to prove 100% that it's fake, he could give you his bank statements and tax returns and you can just say that he is getting paid through some other means.

Ayezee says he is real, and has given plenty of indicators that it is real (such as a block chain address that you can trace through multiple casinos, so obviously it does belong to him on some level.) 

The burdon of proof falls on the people calling it fake, but guess what, there is no proof. But you wouldn't even need proof, if you were able to make a good argument for why its fake I'd be willing to listen, like how the economics of this does not make sense. 

But these argumenets don't exist, all you hear is "LOL $500k that can't be real, sheeple!". Because if you actually try to think it through, the economics do make sense. There are tons of reports from all different types of sources for how much these streamers make (Mizkif saying he was offered $30k an hour, Trainwrecks saying he gets paid $1 million a month. Adin Ross leaking he was offered $1.6 million a month). But people here just ignore this and try to think of how $200k would work with their salary and think its impossible. 

7 minutes ago, damnyouwagering said:

LOL. I cant cope anymore stop it, I literally cant stop laughing at people like you

Thank you for proving my point  

1 minute ago, dirtystack said:

KYC and age/id checks are completely different. Don't try to make out that, because KYC at regulated casinos is a pain in the ass, it is somehow comparable to facilitating underage gambling. It's a very bad example because allowing underage gambling is far worse ethically then pretty much anything.

@Derpthederp What could a casino do that is worse then allowing underage gambling?

Yeah I'd say 96.5% is the standard RTP (which is what all pragmatic slots have, and then other slots either are slightly higher or lower than that.)

I don't completely understand what you are sayin here. What I mean by KYC is they ask you to confirm your identity. Only at that point do they know your age. Before they do a KYC or similar ID check they can't know if you are above or below 18. 

Stake does not allow under age gambling, yes you are able to sign up on Stake and gamble as underage, but my point is the same as true for real money casinos. They don't check your age for depositing, you can just swipe your moms credit card be go gamble on most (All from my experience) real money casinos, and the only time it would become a problem is if you try to cash out. 

[dirtystack]

2 hours ago, Derpthederp said:

don't completely understand what you are sayin here. What I mean by KYC is they ask you to confirm your identity. Only at that point do they know your age. Before they do a KYC or similar ID check they can't know if you are above or below 18. 

Sorry I had SOF in mind.

Sites with UKGC license will use an electronic identity checking service at signup and again on deposit. The additional KYC stuff prompted by withdrawals will be confirming and expanding the limited info from the electronic checks. Some sites do a soft search on your credit score too. Not sure if it’s the norm these days as I have long standing accounts and only a few new registrations. 
 

To be fair I’ve never used anyone else’s card so no idea if that’s possible with the casinos I use. 
 

On an unconnected note, I wonder how casino’s not beholden to strict regulation handle various issues:

Let us say, for arguments sake, both Stake and Unibet (for example) were to allow little 15 year old Timmy to sign up and deposit with his mother’s card. 
 

I know Unibet is giving that money back before it goes anywhere near an independent complaints service.

 

 

 

 

[The Macho Man]

And I was literally right about my 1 million a month prediction. Trainwrecks went on a podcast with H3H3 a couple days ago and said stake is paying him 1 million a month to stream and people believed it was impossible these streamers can get paid that much LOL. Like I said... a lot of you really know nothing about the industry.

[shakinaces]

Followed a couple of these threads as it is of interest how things have escalated exponentially in the streamer world from people on everyday stakes (£1 or below) to now be pumping multiples of the average annual wage into a single bonus buy (Ayezee's $100k Book of Tut) and pushing to get casinos and providers to remove the max spin cap to go even further.

I can't believe for 1 second that the sort of bankroll needed to play this high would have come from non-gambling sources in the first instance.  There is just no way someone makes millions (business, getting lucky with Crypto, inheritance) and thinks to try and build a channel by playing full time 40+ hours a week on high roller slots.  So the only way this would be funded if it is legit is via the affiliate income.

And I think part of the struggle for people to get their heads around that side of things is the lack of transparency from all affiliate streamers.  We can speculate but have no definitive idea how much the likes of Kim, Nick, Bandit, Rolla, Craig & Jimbo etc make from their links.  The viewer population overwhelmingly accepts that these guys are legit gamblers/business people that are risking cash in the knowledge that they would have to run appallingly badly to not at least break-even after affiliate income - which is a totally legit approach and a business model used fairly across various products.

But how much do they haul in?  If it a case of £250k pa and a playing eV of -£100k then sure, thinking that the likes of Ayezee, Train, Foss etc can bring so many more players / higher rollers to a casino as to be able to afford the jump from mostly £2-£5 stakes to regular £500-£1,000 stakes seems impossible.

But if the Kim, Nick, Bandit etc are all rocking the millionaire lifestyle and bringing in 7 or even 8 figure annual affiliate incomes from their viewer's losses - but are opting to do so at the lowest risk so staying at mid-stake play - then it suddenly doesn't seem as unreasonable that the Crypto players are able to be clearing £1m+ income per month and, in an attempt to be more noticed in a saturated market, are taking a shot that higher stakes will draw more sign-ups and, presumably, draw in some whales.

End game they run a bigger -eV from their play and end up making less profit than the trad streamers, but remain legit funded to play these monopoly money stakes that arguably probably shouldn't even exist in order to protect the 99.99999% of people that simply cannot ever afford them.

I still struggle to believe that sort of money can be fully legit and wouldn't be surprised if there is some sort of refund scheme in place to remove any risk, but without knowing the income driven by affiliation across a handful of established channels by way of comparison, I could never sit and say the Ayezee crowd are definitely pulling a fake money scam.

[santha arpad attila]

they are  all sponsored by casinos... this thing is worldwide,i watch streamers from many regions and all of a sudden they all started to play with huge amounts when before they were playing pennies:) and yes they win more often then any other real player..its all an ilusion to atract more players to casinos...

[Derpthederp]

32 minutes ago, shakinaces said:

I can't believe for 1 second that the sort of bankroll needed to play this high would have come from non-gambling sources in the first instance.  There is just no way someone makes millions (business, getting lucky with Crypto, inheritance) and thinks to try and build a channel by playing full time 40+ hours a week on high roller slots.  So the only way this would be funded if it is legit is via the affiliate income.

I Wouldn't be so skeptical to this,. Or well I think you treat it as an either or, but in most cases it will be both. To get started you need some sort of bank roll, and it makes sense that for some that will come from Crypto. To use two slot streamers, ProdigyDKK and Ayezee, they both started with gaming skins a long time ago, and if they are already trading and dealing in digital currency like many years ago, it makes sense that they would get into crypto as well, and anyone who got into crypto like 3-4-5 years ago now has a sizable bankroll. I myself know (not personally but in my circle) who are just millionaires out of nowhere from crypto. Also makes sense that people who are attracted to gambling would also be attracted to crypto because it is gambling in a sense. 

And if they already have been streaming and like gambling, it also makes sense that they would get into gamble streaming. And they didn't start out doing $50+ bets just bankrolling by crypto. But at lower stakes and as the stream has been growing they have increased the stakes.

One thing people are overlooking here is that streaming as a content and probably online gambling as an activity (in particularly crypto casinos I imagine) have exploded these last few years, I imagine in particular since Corona came around and people have been stuck at home, so it makes sense that the revenue and stakes have exploded with this.

46 minutes ago, shakinaces said:

But how much do they haul in?  If it a case of £250k pa and a playing eV of -£100k then sure, thinking that the likes of Ayezee, Train, Foss etc can bring so many more players / higher rollers to a casino as to be able to afford the jump from mostly £2-£5 stakes to regular £500-£1,000 stakes seems impossible.

But if the Kim, Nick, Bandit etc are all rocking the millionaire lifestyle and bringing in 7 or even 8 figure annual affiliate incomes from their viewer's losses - but are opting to do so at the lowest risk so staying at mid-stake play - then it suddenly doesn't seem as unreasonable that the Crypto players are able to be clearing £1m+ income per month and, in an attempt to be more noticed in a saturated market, are taking a shot that higher stakes will draw more sign-ups and, presumably, draw in some whales.

 

I don't know the people you mention so I imagine they don't stream on twitch, googling some it seems they mostly post videos and stream on youtube? Just taking a name I have sort of heard of here rocknrolla he is like 1/10th the size of Ayezee (based on viewcount of last stream and views last 30 days on youtube videos), ayezee does post videos but I think it is a fairly small part of his advertisement value compared to his stream (I know he said before he gets paid $5k per video).

But there are a few more factors at play here than just audience size. First of all Crypto casinos are available to a much bigger audience. A very large chunk (possibly the majority) of the people who watch this content will be in a demographic that can't use whatever offers they have, but the same is not true for crypto casinos.

I can't say i know this for sure but it also makes sense to me that the crypto casinos have a much higher profit margin because of tax reasons, I imagine if you are to be a licensed casino in UK for example theres going to be a lot of taxes etc but the crypto casinos obviously just set up in the most tax beneficial place. 

One finally point I don't really see anyone mention but it should be quite obvious, the streamers obviously negotiate how much they get paid, and them playing raw balance is going to increase how much they can ask for.

If a streamer has an -EV of gambling per month of $900k, if the casino then pays him $900k they are getting free advertisement. 

Again ayezee is an example of this, a few months ago he was playing using deposit bonuses. These deposit bonuses are profitable for the players so he would play with deposit bonuses until he gets a good win and can clear the wager, then cash out some and go degen with some on high bets in hopes of winning big. 

This was what he used to do, but rollbit wanted him to play raw instead so they renegotiated a deal where he instead gets a much higher monthly fee and he can play raw. Obviously how much he gets paid is going to be correlated with how much he is expected to lose (based on RTP/wagered), and then on top of that there would be some payment for advertisement. 

again just to re-iterate my point, if the casino only pays the player enough that their gambling has an expected return of breakeven, they are getting completely free advertisement (obviously there would be swings in one direction or another but thats gambling, expected value is what matters.)

 

Anyway I don't 100% agree with all of your points but I appreciated a well thought out post 🤗 

 

[DDRGuido]

I don't think this is THAT big of a deal. Just Twitch flexing and acting like they are doing something about it. They did the same with banning OnlyFans links. Women streamers just put a link tree in their bio and it links to their OnlyFans.

 

[Halilgkdenz46]

GUYS I SWEAR IM SO GERGOUS I WON 400.000 TRY FROM 1XBET SO 45.000€. IDK THEY WILL GIVE OR NO BUT IM SO SO HAPPY... I DID IT... I DID IT... 

[Slotplayer]

On 27/07/2021 at 18:32, shakinaces said:

in an attempt to be more noticed in a saturated market, are taking a shot that higher stakes will draw more sign-ups and, presumably, draw in some whales.

I highly doubt that these whales watch casino streams.

[teckiwi]

You would think those using crypto casinos could be easily traced with their payments etc you see onstream too.

[Jason12345]

Whether real or fake money its entertainment.  Most streamers have warnings telling people not to do what they do, to get help if they have a problem and offer ways they can get help.  Do we blame liquor and beer companies for people being an alcoholics, are we banning alcohol?

People need to take personal responsibility nowadays for what they do. We have to stop blaming other people for our problems. 

I personally know Im gambling more than I should be but thats my problem not some people putting out videos. This is their job. 

Land base casinos are not questioning you if you blow thru 100-200k a night. They just bend over and accommodate you hoping you spend more.

Get over yourself people and take responsibility for your own actions

[dirtystack]

12 hours ago, Jeroen83 said:

This image here in this thread:

And then realise the avg deal on affilliation is 30 to 50%. Thats alot of fucking loss done by quite some affiliates and almost 200k of deposits worth.

I bet they did'nt had the session their streamer had, did they? lol.

If that is pokerstars then that pot is getting split between thousands of affiliates on FTD deals.

Edited 18 September, 2021 by dirtystack

[RikeshCalvert]

On 05/07/2021 at 16:44, LetsTalkFacts said:

Daskelele won over $220.000 again yesterday with a bonus buy... He keeps winning that 100k+ lately.. How is this even possible? He said he is up $600k last few months, since he's playing at Gamdom 🤔

It seems like a scam but if he really won, that is some serious luck! I can't tell if he is lying for sure but it's almost impossible to win so much....

[beetaillight]

Definitely impossible - unless someone's pushing the WIN button somewhere.

The other elephant in the room which no one talked about is the RTP manipulations. I strongly believe that not only the balance is manipulated on top streamers, but, in my opinion much much worse where the money came from, but also the win rate.

I've been watching multiple small streamers who stream for 8 hours buying bonuses most of the time vs. bigger streamers who do the same and the results on months comparison is so big, that it's not even the same fucking ball park.

Day in, day out you see big streamers hit 2000-7000x wins on the big stakes while smaller streamers maybe successfully hit a 1000x-1500x on small and micro stakes (which probably sounds awfully familiar to gambler in here....)

I don't know exactly what's going on (boosted RTP, some form algorithm to generate big hits based on stake size, etc...) but the numbers don't lie and you'd have to be a moron not to see there's a pattern here...

[StallCation]

17 hours ago, beetaillight said:

I've been watching multiple small streamers who stream for 8 hours buying bonuses most of the time vs. bigger streamers who do the same and the results on months comparison is so big, that it's not even the same fucking ball park.

Day in, day out you see big streamers hit 2000-7000x wins on the big stakes while smaller streamers maybe successfully hit a 1000x-1500x on small and micro stakes (which probably sounds awfully familiar to gambler in here....)

I don't know exactly what's going on (boosted RTP, some form algorithm to generate big hits based on stake size, etc...) but the numbers don't lie and you'd have to be a moron not to see there's a pattern here...

Watching stuff like CasinoDaddy, SpinLife, Roshstein, AyeZee, VonDice etc. etc. reminds me of when I was a kid and had those amazing recurring dreams of going nuts in a candy store.

And each time I eventually woke up, still feeling the rush... And the immense disappointment too, sadly... It was all a dream.

Exactly how these guys pull those out-of-bounds big win/big multiplier frequencies off, I can only guess, but it ain't explainable just by the classic "they-play-many-hours-a-day-argument"; the frequency is still ridiculously high.

A lot of theories have been vented in here, like in the above quote, but one I haven't seen mentioned is monitoring software, that keeps you (in this case the big audience streamer) posted on current RTP on various slots. Here's a crude example of such a tool:                

https://slotcatalog.com/da/Hot-Cold-Games

Now, a more advanced version of this tool could be made available to "our" streamer, courtesy of the online casino (s)he's playing on, thus boosting at least the chance of hitting something good.

However, if those "hot" slots were available for everyone to gamble on, it probably wouldn't be an advantage to the online casino in question. What if a lot of people followed the streamer's example, playing those same "hot" slots? Hmmmmmm...

Well, at least it's an intriguing subject; keeps me guessing how these guys pull off their fantasy wins