TrustworthyC Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 I hate such ridiculous rules...there's literally zero reason for that slot to be excluded, as for many of the other in that list. Sorry you had to find out the hard way, but yeah, that's indeed why you should avoid playing with bonuses, or read the T&C's carefully, or just play at good Casinos that don't try and pull off crap like this and basicallhy let you play all slots, even progressives! There's plenty of those around (still) Hope they at least refunded your deposit, and you can move on from there asap. Link to comment
qviluren Posted 8 December, 2020 Author Share Posted 8 December, 2020 They did but this is at recomended from a casino streamer so thought it was a decent one Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 They do have a rather weird and long list of games you need to avoid with bonus funds,which is definitely not the greatest place to take a deposit bonus. yet its the same everywhere : the player has to make sure to read the bonus rules and follow them and unless something changes it will always be this way Link to comment
vanHooff Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 OP, ouch that hurts! Of course make sure to follow the T&C on any bonus, but who would expect Reactoonz and Reactoonz2 to be on a list of forbidden games? All/most other slots have one unusually high variance, unusually high RTP and/or low variance, mechanisms to save up in-game, etc. I cannot figure out (yet) why the following Play'n'go slots would be excluded from an anti-bonus abuse point-of-view: Moon Princess Rise of Olympus Rich Wilde Wild Frames Reactoonz2 Also Lost Relics by Netent Link to comment
Igor96 Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 If certain game is forbidden they have to make it impossible to join with an active bonus. Make a launch error message pop-up. If they allow you to play and later don’t pay-out it’s a scam and they all should be ashamed. Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 1 minute ago, Igor96 said: If certain game is forbidden they have to make it impossible to join with an active bonus. Make a launch error message pop-up. If they allow you to play and later don’t pay-out it’s a scam and they all should be ashamed. In a perfect world they would have to, but no casino rules are forcing a casino to do this, would be great if they have to! Some do this by choice, which is nice Link to comment
wertygo Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 43 minutes ago, qviluren said: They did but this is at recomended from a casino streamer so thought it was a decent one You have to take streamer reccommendations with a grain of salt. Just because streamers add casinos to theire list doesn't mean it's a good casino. You have to remember that streamers make money off you when you play with their affiliate link and because almost everyone has accounts on best casinos, streamers have to find new casinos for ppl to register at.. I reccommend looking at on what casinos Big Boy streamers here at CG play at. I don't watch many streams live, but main streamers here are pretty transparent with their finances. Followed @LetsGiveItASpinalmost from the start and He has announced gambling losses losses several years, not going nuts with his bets and not acting like a psycho live on stream. And he mainly plays on LV, same for @Nick and @Slotspinner. Sure, guess they are pretty comfy with their affiliate program, but many streamer still try to promote sketchy casinos after that, not them. Don't go after welcome bonuses on all casinos. Stick with the big ones, and maybe play mostly on one casino - many have good VIP programmes when you play enough on their site. Also have to say this : Really enjoyed @Daskelelele content from last year, i still do, but 15k bonus buys are nuts. Bets are entering that stupid classybeef/roshtein territory, whom I hate with all my heart . Link to comment
TrustworthyC Posted 8 December, 2020 Share Posted 8 December, 2020 2 hours ago, qviluren said: They did but this is at recomended from a casino streamer so thought it was a decent one Yes, i figured as much, but i'm afraid you thought wrong Most CG streamers i think are cool, but t.b.f. i only follow @LetsGiveItASpinand on occasion @Slotspinnerbut even when they themselves are cool and play at trustworthy Casinos mostly, they also have a lot of new Casinos that want a piece of the pie. As such they will treat the streamers well, and often do promos here, or in the streams, to get some clout and hopefully tons of sign ups.. That in itself is all fine and dandy, but from a streamer point of view this means that those newer Casinos are all ok, as long as there aren't any players reporting otherwise. And usually there won't be, or just a few smaller incidents, and everybody's happy. But of course something 'bad' has to happen first, and then also be reported here or on other fora, or noone will know. And that's also where the players point of view enters the scene: you just found out the hard way (luckily you got your deposit back at least) but exactly because of the above, the player has to do his due dilligence. And realise that their favorite streamers are just human (so prone to mistakes), and also running a 'business', which may cloud their judgement, in case of new Casinos. There would be ways to prevent this, but it's a fast paced existence and i'd be surprised if that ever happens.. 1 hour ago, Slotspinner said: They do have a rather weird and long list of games you need to avoid with bonus funds,which is definitely not the greatest place to take a deposit bonus. yet its the same everywhere : the player has to make sure to read the bonus rules and follow them and unless something changes it will always be this way Indeed, if something happens, but Streamers could also do more to prevent bad apples in their offerings, by going for more promos with exisiting Casinos with a good trackrecord, and less promos with newer ones..That's just my opinion though. 1 hour ago, vanHooff said: OP, ouch that hurts! Of course make sure to follow the T&C on any bonus, but who would expect Reactoonz and Reactoonz2 to be on a list of forbidden games? All/most other slots have one unusually high variance, unusually high RTP and/or low variance, mechanisms to save up in-game, etc. I cannot figure out (yet) why the following Play'n'go slots would be excluded from an anti-bonus abuse point-of-view: Moon Princess Rise of Olympus Rich Wilde Wild Frames Reactoonz2 Also Lost Relics by Netent There are tons of games that aren't related to advantage play in that list. High variance should not be an issue with a bonus, neither should low variance, and the only thing indeed that could be abused is various build up games. Some Casinos traditionally also have these sketchy 'advantage play' rules which basically boil down to: if you have a good run on one game betting a bit higher, then hit a biggie, and drop your bet to casually try and beat the wagering, they might just void your winnings. That and the above are in my opinion just failsafes for sketchy operators to pull a fast one on players that hit big and 'appear' to be a 'low value' player, so it's more profitable for them to try and screw them out of their winnings. Same 'ole story, unfortunately! 1 hour ago, Igor96 said: If certain game is forbidden they have to make it impossible to join with an active bonus. Make a launch error message pop-up. If they allow you to play and later don’t pay-out it’s a scam and they all should be ashamed. Exactly! There are various Casinos these days that use this, and i kind iof feel they all should be forced to - at least the ones regulated and licensed by 'proper bodies' such as the MGA and UKGC! It's been an option for quite a while now, but you see they rather keep it sketchy at a lot of places. Another big reason to either avoid new and smaller Casinos, at least for bonusplayers and high rollers.. 1 hour ago, Slotspinner said: In a perfect world they would have to, but no casino rules are forcing a casino to do this, would be great if they have to! Some do this by choice, which is nice As above, totally agree here! As i was typing this long ass post @wertygo also replied with something similar, but i can't figure out how to use his post in my multiqoute and don't want to lose this book long reply so will react without quote: agreed! We're basically saying the same thing, and i would just add that you're p[robably bang on in your reasoning regarding new players being 'needed' to keep the affiliation side profitable. That said, i think there's a way to bring the long time players into the game more actively, which would lower the need for said new players, and in the long term could be more interesting for all parties concerned (players, affiliates/streamers and the Casinos in question: keywords are trustworthy casinos, creative affilation schemes, player retention and loyalty rewards, but i'll save that for another thread Link to comment
bbbest55 Posted 9 December, 2020 Share Posted 9 December, 2020 On 08/12/2020 at 11:26, Igor96 said: If certain game is forbidden they have to make it impossible to join with an active bonus. Make a launch error message pop-up. If they allow you to play and later don’t pay-out it’s a scam and they all should be ashamed. Yea, a reason why Malta should regulate Casinos more firmly. Most of these are crooks speculating that players don't read every T&C so they can "confiscate" the winnings. And offer 20% back for good nature haha Link to comment
Jimm85 Posted 9 December, 2020 Share Posted 9 December, 2020 Don't play at such bad casinoes,https://www.askgamblers.com/online-casinos/sugar-casino-review/ ... 26 complains Avoid these curacao casinoes for all costs, they only give you problems when you finally win.... Hope you get your money Link to comment
LetsGiveItASpin Posted 9 December, 2020 Share Posted 9 December, 2020 Wow, that's a long list, have you tried reaching out to the streamer for help? That would be my first course of action, if it's a serious streamer that is. Thanks for your kind words @wertygovery appreciated ❤️ Link to comment
explorer Posted 9 December, 2020 Share Posted 9 December, 2020 @Skylined87, for the benefit of the community, would it be possible to include a list of prohibited games in the review page of the casinos listed on CG? (with a disclaimer that the list is a non-exhaustive list for information purposes only, and that players should read the bonus T&C for each casino they sign up at) Royal Panda has 3 non-sticky redeposit bonuses a week right now (Wednesdays, Fridays, and for now, Sundays), so I feel no need to take any deposit bonuses with new casinos. And you never have to worry about playing the wrong games or max stake when wagering, since all wagering has to be done with cash. I couldn't recommend them more highly. Link to comment
dirtystack Posted 10 December, 2020 Share Posted 10 December, 2020 Looks to me like it is a selection of popular games to catch you off guard. They are popular games, maybe someone beat the wagering previously with these games and made a decent cashout so they added the game they had decent wins on to the list. There is no other reason I can think of as these games are actually quite terrible wagering games. Just a list made reactively in my opinion. Pretty lame. Link to comment
yuritarded25 Posted 10 December, 2020 Share Posted 10 December, 2020 I won like 30k on bonanza but they had max cashout on 2600. I didnt even notice they had it on vulkan vegas. worst feeling Link to comment
Gyoza Posted 10 December, 2020 Share Posted 10 December, 2020 That's why i like to sticking real cash balances mostly, i had lost 1300 euros on RedBet cause of max bet was 2€ Link to comment
MarkWallberg Posted 11 December, 2020 Share Posted 11 December, 2020 On 09/12/2020 at 17:25, Jimm85 said: Don't play at such bad casinos, play at Facebook casinoshttps://facebook-casinos.com/ Avoid these curacao casinoes for all costs, they only give you problems when you finally win.... Hope you get your money Yep! It is free and it doesn't make you lose your savings) Link to comment
NickG Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 On 08/12/2020 at 10:55, Slotspinner said: They do have a rather weird and long list of games you need to avoid with bonus funds,which is definitely not the greatest place to take a deposit bonus. yet its the same everywhere : the player has to make sure to read the bonus rules and follow them and unless something changes it will always be this way Yet here alot of streamers magicly do not have to adhere to these rules. They can buy bonuses as much as they want with there deposit bonusses. Again all of you are creating a false sense of reality and should be regulated and/or banned. Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 12 minutes ago, NickG said: Yet here alot of streamers magicly do not have to adhere to these rules. They can buy bonuses as much as they want with there deposit bonusses. Again all of you are creating a false sense of reality and should be regulated and/or banned. Constantly mentioning that this is not the norm and shoudlnt be seen as such, so totally disagree. Link to comment
NickG Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Just now, Slotspinner said: Constantly mentioning that this is not the norm and shoudlnt be seen as such, so totally disagree. Your one of the few then. If only all of the streamers would have to do this but it's all up to the streamers. There need to be some form of regulation. Link to comment
Slotspinner Posted 12 December, 2020 Share Posted 12 December, 2020 Just now, NickG said: Your one of the few then. If only all of the streamers would have to do this but it's all up to the streamers. There need to be some form of regulation. The problem is that people do things before informing themselves etc etc. i take really heavy care to explain that normal gameplay doesnt include streamer bonuses or special bonus terms and all such. Streams as personally we do them today on my channel just arent possible 5-6 times (twice a day) per week without these conditions. I honestly stress this alot, and some people will still go ahead without reading terms or information, leading to these troubles. It IS a combination of casino regulations not tight enough regarding bonus rules, and blocking wrong plays as in restricted slots or too high stakes. optimally every casino would be forced to prohibit playing those games/stakes with bonus balance so that the terms cannot be broken but unfortunately this is far from reality at the moment. I get where you are coming from, but this is what it is as of now! I think its a neverending story of this kind, but i try to inform people as much as possible when they ask questions or when i do something like bonus buys on bonus balance. The best advice to everyone is to always read bonus terms in full and know what you can or cant do, wherever you take bonuses Link to comment
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