Monopoly lowered the RTP

[TheCasinoGuy]

1 minute ago, dirtystack said:

@TheCasinoGuy What are these account statements supposed to prove?

You played big and won? you have a lot of money so people should listen to you? what?

Did they rigg it and "release the wins" for you?

You, with your knowledge managed to win despite them rigging it?

What goes on in that head?

He said I lack experience, I prooved that I do not. My statements show that I play ALOT and I'm an experienced gambler and it is actually my second job. But if I happen to say I wagered €10m so far this year, you specially, probably will throw another accusation calling me out so I thought to save time and throw the screenshots, it's not meant to brag or to listen to me because I have a lot of money.

As I said before, here in Spain regulations are a lot strict, and evolution gaming cannot provide any games to spanish players if the studios are not based in Spain. Which is a great thing for us, so if I ever catch them doing their funny stuff I can sue them. But guess what? They don't dare. Those ball movements never happened while I was playing, however they did happen with lightning roulette and I tried to do something about it and found out that it's legal, so I swallowed it.

[dirtystack]

1 minute ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

He said I lack experience, I prooved that I do not. My statements show that I play ALOT and I'm an experienced gambler and it is actually my second job. But if I happen to say I wagered €10m so far this year, you specially, probably will throw another accusation calling me out so I thought to save time and throw the screenshots, it's not meant to brag or to listen to me because I have a lot of money.

As I said before, here in Spain regulations are a lot strict, and evolution gaming cannot provide any games to spanish players if the studios are not based in Spain. Which is a great thing for us, so if I ever catch them doing their funny stuff I can sue them. But guess what? They don't dare. Those ball movements never happened while I was playing, however they did happen with lightning roulette and I tried to do something about it and found out that it's legal, so I swallowed it.

Ok, fair enough, I get that you wanted to show experience, that makes sense. I'm sorry if I get a bit irate about it, it's just I've had to deal with customers, my whole working life, telling me that I am cheating because of this, and that, and always saying "see!"

Thing is, never have I cheated, or even tried to win, when I was dealing, just do my job, spin the ball. As I have moved up the ranks I've learnt a lot about the industry and their has been nothing dodgy going on at the tables or behind the scenes. 

If you have the resources at your disposal, as your play indicates, why not employ or assemble an investigative team to investigate and potentially expose dishonest practises. It would be a great thing to do, provided it was all balanced and done the right way, impartial, done by someone who doesn't have the same emotional connection to gambling that perhaps you or I do.

[TheCasinoGuy]

2 minutes ago, dirtystack said:

Ok, fair enough, I get that you wanted to show experience, that makes sense. I'm sorry if I get a bit irate about it, it's just I've had to deal with customers, my whole working life, telling me that I am cheating because of this, and that, and always saying "see!"

Thing is, never have I cheated, or even tried to win, when I was dealing, just do my job, spin the ball. As I have moved up the ranks I've learnt a lot about the industry and their has been nothing dodgy going on at the tables or behind the scenes. 

If you have the resources at your disposal, as your play indicates, why not employ or assemble an investigative team to investigate and potentially expose dishonest practises. It would be a great thing to do, provided it was all balanced and done the right way, impartial, done by someone who doesn't have the same emotional connection to gambling that perhaps you or I do.

I completely understand, as I personally witnesed many times people cursing at croupiers or blaming them for their losses in landbased,  but I'm not that type who always looks to put the blame on someone rather than myself. 

But when you see that you are being cheated, you must speak out. I personally haven't been scammed by EG (Even though I consider lightning roulette to be unfair), but when I see them doing that stuff with their studios in Latvia, as a gambler I have to stand against them.

I wish they did somethings like that here, I will 100% gather a professional team to investigate and sue them.

[Avidgambler]

Interesting topic. I am a bit surprised though how many people feel so certain about these games being rigged just based on their opinion and very subjective evidence if you can even call it that. I think that it might be partly due how human mind tends to work when it comes to dealing with gambling and especially the inevitable losses.  

For example when I won really big x wise I don't tend to think it is "rigged" or irregularity, if anything my mind is telling me I somehow deserved it. However when I face horrible losing and cold streaks, near misses and what not my mind is starting to implement the idea there must something wrong with the game (even though I do know there isn't. It is just bad luck and randomness . Something that is eventually inevitable playing - ev games)   

My point is, that people often see what they want to see and see evidence through biased goggles and use data and examples only when it supports their own narrative. 

I am aware I also might have some bias ( as we all do), but I have not seen any evidence at least yet to suggest these games are rigged and also I just can't think of reason why a business would something as stupid to try "rigg" these games. 

If you guys really want to study this topic, you should start from more neutral position and try forget your biases. Try get some actual data and then go from there. Or as @dirtystack suggested, if you have resources at your had assemble an investigative team. Would be interesting to see if they could actually find something relevant. 

One thing I agree with though is that people probably indeed should stop playing these games no matter what they believe
 

[TheCasinoGuy]

1 minute ago, Avidgambler said:

Interesting topic. I am a bit surprised though how many people feel so certain about these games being rigged just based on their opinion and very subjective evidence if you can even call it that. I think that it might be partly due how human mind tends to work when it comes to dealing with gambling and especially the inevitable losses.  

For example when I won really big x wise I don't tend to think it is "rigged" or irregularity, if anything my mind is telling me I somehow deserved it. However when I face horrible losing and cold streaks, near misses and what not my mind is starting to implement the idea there must something wrong with the game (even though I do know there isn't. It is just bad luck and randomness . Something that is eventually inevitable playing - ev games)   

My point is, that people often see what they want to see and see evidence through biased goggles and use data and examples only when it supports their own narrative. 

I am aware I also might have some bias ( as we all do), but I have not seen any evidence at least yet to suggest these games are rigged and also I just can't think of reason why a business would something as stupid to try "rigg" these games. 

If you guys really want to study this topic, you should start from more neutral position and try forget your biases. Try get some actual data and then go from there. Or as @dirtystack suggested, if you have resources at your had assemble an investigative team. Would be interesting to see if they could actually find something relevant. 

One thing I agree with though is that people probably indeed should stop playing these games no matter what they believe
 

The only thing is, I'm not talking from an emotional stand point. Because when I lose I blame myself rather than the croupier who just spun the ball for me, and when I win, same thing I feel great about myself.

The reason why I can say I'm not biased, is I haven't actually been scammed by Evolution Gaming, I have bad sessions as all people but I never felt cheated with magnets or vibrators (Apart from Lightning roulette), and I'm currently up so...

But again, I welcome anyone who would explain to me the mechanical or physical apsect of how can a ball get out of the pocket after landing on a number without hitting any metalic side, and out of sudden go right knowing that the spin was right to left. If there is no outer force that made it do that, then you're defying all laws of physics.

[Stevej]

Yeah. I’m not writing my own experiences because I lost in EG games. That’s not the reason and I can handle that emotion.

But I just, what ever perspective watching, think these games are not random. I know they are not. And that’s sad because I like casino games, especially these wheel games. I can’t play those games anymore.

Evolution Gaming is a Swedish company. There has to be a reason why these studios are located in Latvia. It’s probably cheaper there and laws are more open for casino world. I know nothing about these laws but I believe TheCasinoGuy in that the problem is in the laws.

[Stevej]

And probably nobody thinks Evolution Gaming would do anything illegal. That’s not the case. They’ve just found a way to run rigged live games in some European countries in legal way.

[NickG]

The house always wins. The longer you gamble the more broke and depressed you will get no matter what people tell you. They don't need to rig it even more as the odds are already against you. Do they rig it more? Who knows, certainly it will never be proven or checked by any legislator. Gambling is a 20b+ industry that figure alone says more then enough. If you manage to investigate it you just dissapear. There is a reason why all these companies are located in countries like malta, latvia etc. In the end it's the criminal underworld that pulls all the strings.

[CookieChicken]

WOW this is maybe because CrazyTime is taking over the Game shows and they don´t make that much money at Monopoly anymore

 

[w33k]

These games are the easiest to rig, especially Crazy Time multipliers.

[Asle Martinsen]

I think being critical is healthy, but there are limits. 

The one example of things seeming rigged that stands out to me is when Rocknrolla played roulette. He was winning non stop up to 70k, had his bets placed for the next round, then they stopped the round mid spin, girl took the ball and held it under the table. He proceeded to rip the entire balance. 

Here is the clip. At 4:50 things are happening.

This seems like too much of a coincidence, but.. yeah who can really say for certain?

[dirtystack]

Looks like she fluffed the spin and a no spin was called.

different places have different procedures - where I work we would keep the wheel spinning the same direction and just spin from the previous winning number.

This procedure is by no means universal though. Online there would be a few things to reset I imagine.

Couple things:

Spinning the way they do with the wheel right in front of them, spinning from so close with their hand twisted back into the wheel is inconceivable to me, must be so awkward.

Dealers don’t get paid a great deal, I don’t know any casino employee, myself included, who wouldn’t sell their story if something dodgy was going on.
 

But whatever. 

Play heavy and win £70k, play heavy and lose £70k - that’s how gamblers roll.

£70k is not going to last long when you are betting £13k, £14k and up to 23k per spin. There are over 20 numbers that are either empty or only return a fraction of his bet - he is going heavy on a few numbers and missed repeatedly. 

 

 

[TheCasinoGuy]

6 hours ago, Asle Martinsen said:

I think being critical is healthy, but there are limits. 

The one example of things seeming rigged that stands out to me is when Rocknrolla played roulette. He was winning non stop up to 70k, had his bets placed for the next round, then they stopped the round mid spin, girl took the ball and held it under the table. He proceeded to rip the entire balance. 

Here is the clip. At 4:50 things are happening.

This seems like too much of a coincidence, but.. yeah who can really say for certain?

What happened there is a clear example of what I've been saying. Nice catch.

He simply was ripping them, and when the numbers didn't add up, they switched the ball at min 5:00. And then at 5:50 you see the clear use of the magnet, the unnatural ball jump from number 3 to number 18.

If that was me and noticed that, I'd have immediatly cashed out the 55k and took action against them. But then again, the studio is most likely not based in the UK so not much to expect.

[Slotspinner]

8 hours ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

What happened there is a clear example of what I've been saying. Nice catch.

He simply was ripping them, and when the numbers didn't add up, they switched the ball at min 5:00. And then at 5:50 you see the clear use of the magnet, the unnatural ball jump from number 3 to number 18.

If that was me and noticed that, I'd have immediatly cashed out the 55k and took action against them. But then again, the studio is most likely not based in the UK so not much to expect.

Yea, i believed the same but i sent it to the guys in vegas who watched roulette spins for over 30 years, they said theyve seen it many times and even worse things happen with the ball
That netent ball was ultra light btw, its jumping like a crazy frog

Also this is what i meant saying more experience. I trust their opinion more than my own

[Stevej]

I think everyone can make their own conclusion about these videos.

After seeing all these videos and other weird stuff in online casino games, I believe they are controlled and that's why I stopped playing.

I just say to you, thank you for posting these videos.

[Stevej]

To bring some new perspective to this conversation. For Evolution Gaming I think it would be really easy to prove that Monopoly/CT/Dreamcatcher wheel is not a motor by showing the whole room / space in the videos. For example showing what's really behind the wheel etc. How it works and so on. I was trying to seek some videos about these games, but they don't show you anything else that we already see in these live videos running 24/7.

[damson95]

1 hour ago, Stevej said:

To bring some new perspective to this conversation. For Evolution Gaming I think it would be really easy to prove that Monopoly/CT/Dreamcatcher wheel is not a motor by showing the whole room / space in the videos. For example showing what's really behind the wheel etc. How it works and so on. I was trying to seek some videos about these games, but they don't show you anything else that we already see in these live videos running 24/7.

The thing with games like this is people expecting every 10roll a bonus round or a X40.. Even if it lands on bonus round its 8/10 under 50x. This game is perfect if you had a nice big win and you let some money over. Lay back and enjoy. Crazy time is running for how many hours now straight? Record is only x8000

[Stevej]

2 hours ago, damson95 said:

The thing with games like this is people expecting every 10roll a bonus round or a X40.. Even if it lands on bonus round its 8/10 under 50x. This game is perfect if you had a nice big win and you let some money over. Lay back and enjoy. Crazy time is running for how many hours now straight? Record is only x8000

Yeah, totally agree. But I don’t understand if this has anything to do what I said..?

I mean, everybody’s curious to see what’s behind the wheel, or if it’s a motor etc. That’s basically what people are talking in these game chats. So why can’t they show it?

[TheCasinoGuy]

9 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

Yea, i believed the same but i sent it to the guys in vegas who watched roulette spins for over 30 years, they said theyve seen it many times and even worse things happen with the ball
That netent ball was ultra light btw, its jumping like a crazy frog

Also this is what i meant saying more experience. I trust their opinion more than my own

Moritz you need help bro if you believe what the guys in vegas say to you.

If they deny the use of vibrators and magnets in at least those videos, they're either one sneaky bastards, or dumb af and you shouldn't listen to them.

[Soeop]

I've lost shit tons of money on gambling and I will regret it for the rest of my short life. That being said let me state this:

1) in 2020 there's enough technology to rig everything, literally.

2) Evolution gaming have their license on the line meaning their whole multi million dollars business.

3) "Profitability Operating profit amounted to EUR 74,2 million (36,6), corresponding to an increase of 103 percent. The operating margin was 57,8 percent (42,7). The EBITDA margin was 63,2 percent (49,8)." You can find this yourself on their website, so yeah they can easily afford live games 24/7/365 and paying huge wins.

4) Roulette balls now days are made of ivory, resin, teflon and even ceramic and yes you can easily tell that one ball can bounce way more than another. Also depends on the size of it (18mm or 21mm) and depends on the size of the wheel. Plus, as I'm expecting from "expert" gambler, nobody here talked about the deceleration factor which is actually a big deal for the landbase casino meaning that YES, online casino and offline casino HAVE DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN TERMS OF BOUNCY/CHANGE OF DIRECTIONS BALLS.

That being said I'm not taking any part, as matter of fact I've stop highrolling on ANY evolution game after this 2 videos:

Do I think evolution gaming is rigged? Hell no

Do I think evolution gaming control bonuses outcome such as 4 rolls, pachinko, crazy time etc? Hell yes. Can I prove it? Hell no.

Please refrain from replying without any proof/solid argument.

P.S. Don't gamble kids

[Asle Martinsen]

On 08/09/2020 at 13:29, Slotspinner said:

Yea, i believed the same but i sent it to the guys in vegas who watched roulette spins for over 30 years, they said theyve seen it many times and even worse things happen with the ball
That netent ball was ultra light btw, its jumping like a crazy frog

Also this is what i meant saying more experience. I trust their opinion more than my own

Exactly! Sure, there has been rigged games in the past, but those providers have been revealed.

Imagine how many people have worked at Evolution, who no longer work in the industry, who we can confirm has worked there from seeing them on camera. What are the chances the tens if not hundreds of ex employees don't rat them out if they are cheating? There are too many people involved for this to be some great conspiracy that doesn't get leaked with proof.

One of the biggest flaws of humanity is that so many won't take responsibility for their own actions unless their actions have positive outcomes. It's so easy to push the responsibility over to others and claim the system is rigged against you, but as long as you do this you'll never learn from your own mistakes, and you'll remain at the low level you're at, instead of progressing and becoming a better you.

 

[Asle Martinsen]

On 09/09/2020 at 00:49, Soeop said:

I've lost shit tons of money on gambling and I will regret it for the rest of my short life. That being said let me state this:

1) in 2020 there's enough technology to rig everything, literally.

2) Evolution gaming have their license on the line meaning their whole multi million dollars business.

3) "Profitability Operating profit amounted to EUR 74,2 million (36,6), corresponding to an increase of 103 percent. The operating margin was 57,8 percent (42,7). The EBITDA margin was 63,2 percent (49,8)." You can find this yourself on their website, so yeah they can easily afford live games 24/7/365 and paying huge wins.

4) Roulette balls now days are made of ivory, resin, teflon and even ceramic and yes you can easily tell that one ball can bounce way more than another. Also depends on the size of it (18mm or 21mm) and depends on the size of the wheel. Plus, as I'm expecting from "expert" gambler, nobody here talked about the deceleration factor which is actually a big deal for the landbase casino meaning that YES, online casino and offline casino HAVE DIFFERENT OUTCOME IN TERMS OF BOUNCY/CHANGE OF DIRECTIONS BALLS.

That being said I'm not taking any part, as matter of fact I've stop highrolling on ANY evolution game after this 2 videos:

Do I think evolution gaming is rigged? Hell no

Do I think evolution gaming control bonuses outcome such as 4 rolls, pachinko, crazy time etc? Hell yes. Can I prove it? Hell no.

Please refrain from replying without any proof/solid argument.

P.S. Don't gamble kids

They can't nail the outcome, but they can 'control' the area on the wheel where it will stop. There's a reason why the top slot on CT spins after the wheel is in motion and the empliyee no longer touches the wheel. I believe this to be the case anyway, but the games are always gonna make the casino win in the long run, and that's what's important to remember. They don't need to rig anything, and if they do, it will get leaked, and we'd have some insider tell us about it. 

When it comes to that Pachinko video, the ball clearly lands where there was a 7x, and the payout said 10x, so there's obviously a computer problem or human error, and not predetermined rigged stuff there.

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[ivanas69]

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