Monopoly lowered the RTP

[780xFTW]

there is no need for them to rigg these low rtp games. i wanted to point out that evo doesnt handle payments

[Stevej]

Thanks guys. What ever you're thinking, don't lose all of your money. I've said all now! Cool.

[Slotspinner]

2 minutes ago, 780xFTW said:

there is no need for them to rigg these low rtp games. i wanted to point out that evo doesnt handle payments

No but they earn of revenue share, meaning a win like that will demolish their earnings for a while depending on how exactly they earn the revenue from the casinos

[Money Train]

1:2916

 

but happens quite often, 
I had days when happened twice

[Money Train]

1 hour ago, Ladyll80 said:

Interesting conversation! Actually I think you didn't understand the point here.

Oh I see how this working doesn't matter Stevej talking about completely the opposite what you said in your first post he thinks it's rigged too so he's right.

 

you: "Or maybe they've changed it that it's paying small wins more often (for example giving four rolls more often but with small wins)."

Stevej: "this is happening constantly all the time (image attached). Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls"

Oh I see how this working doesn't matter Stevej talking about completely the opposite what you said in your first post. He Believe the game is rigged so He's right too.
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[dirtystack]

5 hours ago, Stevej said:

And some reference. In the lottery game in our country you need 7 numbers right for the biggest win (numbers from 1 to 40). 

The probability for 5 right numbers is 0,05%.

So maybe the variance is doing its thing and I will be getting 5 rights constantly in future. Because so far my best has been 3 out of 7. Lol...

This post highlights how flawed your ability to analyse what you observe is.

It is quite terrible.

If you can play this lottery as often as you can spin on Evolution game shows, around 1spin per min, then you will have 1440 lottery attempts per day. You state the chance of getting 5 numbers is 0.05% - this is 1 in 2000 chance. You should, if you play one ticket per minute, win the 5 number prize once ever 1.5 days on average over a large enough sample size.

You are comparing apples to oranges In an attempt to make a point. 

[TheCasinoGuy]

9 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

@dirtystack wasted time to argue here imo , if people believe its rigged you cant change them.

I'm actually very surprised that a seasoned gambler would argue that evolution gaming is 100% random and have no control over their games and they're not rigged. The only argument I keep hearing is "They don't need to rigg it because they don't handle payments and they take revenue share". Well Ok. To understand what I'm about to say, you must know how business works.

From a business stand point any company will do anything to maximize their revenue, and in this case rigging the games and having control on winnings will definitely do the trick, it costs them a lot of money to run the studios 24/7/365 etc... they need to make money to cover that and to make profits (Profits has to be millions of euros because it's capitalism).

Releasing big wins like the 7x7x7 dreamcatcher, thousands of x on crazy time... etc, is actually not a blow to them, they won't release such big wins if they haven't MADE that money from bets already, it's like an auto roulette, it won't give you 1000 euros unless it already banked at least 1428 euros (70% RTP). Plus releasing big wins serves them as HUGE marketing, companies spend millions of euros on marketing that a normal person will see as waste of money or a blow to the company's revenue but in fact it's not, it will triple their revenues.

Do  you remember when monopoly paid 9600x? I was playing monopoly at that time and I was one of the MANY who got kicked out even though I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems, that's because I had 100 euros on the 4 rolls and it would have paid me almost a million euros along with hunderds of other players who were on at that time and betting big. Simply because the money they collected was not enough to pay for everyone (I remember they paid out 2,2m euros in total), they kicked out most of the players and kept the low bets.

I have videos, screenshots etc... to prove that the games are rigged, and you can just go on youtube and see different videos how the wheels and roulettes are rigged.

[Stevej]

59 minutes ago, dirtystack said:

This post highlights how flawed your ability to analyse what you observe is.

It is quite terrible.

If you can play this lottery as often as you can spin on Evolution game shows, around 1spin per min, then you will have 1440 lottery attempts per day. You state the chance of getting 5 numbers is 0.05% - this is 1 in 2000 chance. You should, if you play one ticket per minute, win the 5 number prize once ever 1.5 days on average over a large enough sample size.

You are comparing apples to oranges In an attempt to make a point. 

You’re the guy who starts arguing how bad other person’s thinking is or how wrong person is. In intelligent arguing that’s never necessary. So bro, take a breath and leave your emotions out.

Did you understand that 0,05% Monopoly probability is the result of maybe 4 hours of spins so you can’t compare that to playing lottery tickets every minute? Maybe comparing lottery probabilities to this scenario isn’t the best example. But I’m totally ok admitting if I was wrong. 

One of my javascript apps calculates series of three dices and shows what’s the biggest amount of throws between triples like in millions of throws. It’s pseudo rng of course, but since it seems Evo using rng’s in their games, it’s basically the same.

Like in this one. Try to get even 300 throws without triples. Sometime it probably happens. But not every day, or not even every second day (super sic bo is maybe 1 throw in 40-60 seconds)

https://virtualdiceroll.com/3/en/three-dice

 

[vadernader]

It's amazing how quickly everyone assumes whenever they lose at anything it must be rigged. Like if the wheel gets stuck between a bonus and a 1 and gets ruled a 1 people assume it was rigged away from the bonus, etc (when it easily could've gotten stuck the other way around and been a bonus) or if it's an unusually high amount of spins between bonuses they assume it's rigged (hello? all these people claiming how good they are with math do not understand basic stuff like variance. Yes if it's 1 in 54 for a bonus it can easily have a stretch where you get 300 spins no bonus at some point when the game is spun 24 hours a day 7 days a week streaks will happen. It also will spin the 1 in 54 bonus back to back too for the good side of variance.) 

Simple as this: if you honestly are silly enough to think they rig the wheels put your money where your mouth is and bet on 1. How can a game where you can bet on literally any outcome be rigged? If they were artificially spinning more 1s than they should you can just put your money on the 1 and break the casino no? 

Long run you are going to lose at wheel games or any casino games. This does not mean they are "rigged"

[Stevej]

11 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

I'm actually very surprised that a seasoned gambler would argue that evolution gaming is 100% random and have no control over their games and they're not rigged. The only argument I keep hearing is "They don't need to rigg it because they don't handle payments and they take revenue share". Well Ok. To understand what I'm about to say, you must know how business works.

From a business stand point any company will do anything to maximize their revenue, and in this case rigging the games and having control on winnings will definitely do the trick, it costs them a lot of money to run the studios 24/7/365 etc... they need to make money to cover that and to make profits (Profits has to be millions of euros because it's capitalism).

Releasing big wins like the 7x7x7 dreamcatcher, thousands of x on crazy time... etc, is actually not a blow to them, they won't release such big wins if they haven't MADE that money from bets already, it's like an auto roulette, it won't give you 1000 euros unless it already banked at least 1428 euros (70% RTP). Plus releasing big wins serves them as HUGE marketing, companies spend millions of euros on marketing that a normal person will see as waste of money or a blow to the company's revenue but in fact it's not, it will triple their revenues.

Do  you remember when monopoly paid 9600x? I was playing monopoly at that time and I was one of the MANY who got kicked out even though I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems, that's because I had 100 euros on the 4 rolls and it would have paid me almost a million euros along with hunderds of other players who were on at that time and betting big. Simply because the money they collected was not enough to pay for everyone (I remember they paid out 2,2m euros in total), they kicked out most of the players and kept the low bets.

I have videos, screenshots etc... to prove that the games are rigged, and you can just go on youtube and see different videos how the wheels and roulettes are rigged.

Exactly!!!

[Money Train]

10 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

I have videos, screenshots etc... to prove that the games are rigged, and you can just go on youtube and see different videos how the wheels and roulettes are rigged.

Can't wait to watch it. Could you show it to us, please?

[Stevej]

6 minutes ago, Money Train said:

Can't wait to watch it. Could you show it to us, please?

Let’s start with this one. 
 

 

[siggy]

WTF? 

[TheCasinoGuy]

18 minutes ago, Money Train said:

Can't wait to watch it. Could you show it to us, please?

You could have just answered me how can I get kicked out suddenly before a huge win knowing I have been playing for 45 mins without any connection or internet problems.

But OK we should go 1 by 1 starting with this. Can you explain to me by any physical law known to mankind how can a ball land on number 5 and out of a sudden vibrate and jump to number 8 to release a big win?

[vadernader]

7 minutes ago, Stevej said:

Let’s start with this one. 
 

 

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

[Money Train]

Every

4 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

Ok we should go 1 by 1 starting with this. Can you explain to me by any physical law known to mankind how can a ball land on number 5 and out of a sudden vibrate and jump to number 8 to release a big win?

Looks like we have the winner strategy. Let's Play the same games as Kim and evo give us infinite money.
Great time to start TABLE GAMES TUESDAY is on!

[Stevej]

2 minutes ago, vadernader said:

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

I didn’t say anything like this.

Everybody sees it’s computer controlled. Don’t be simple. They have control on the game - it doesn’t mean that it tries to avoid the numbers players are playing. It might be that most of the players played 0 there. Maybe in that round they wanted most of the players to win. That’s how they have the control on the game. But that’s how it never should be. 

[TheCasinoGuy]

3 minutes ago, vadernader said:

Haha yes clear proof it's RIGGED!

Good lord people are so silly. Nothing rigged about that. AGAIN, you can literally bet on any number there! There are plenty of people who bet on 0! The amount of time and effort they would have to put in to be able to manipulate a roulette ball....all for what? People bet on a bunch of different numbers what's the point? You're saying they are analyzing everyone's bets in real time and manipulating it to land in the number that the least people have bet on - again - all in real time - and making it look seamless throughout to where it doesn't look rigged all the time? Come on dude this is ridiculous. 

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

 

1 minute ago, Money Train said:

Every

Looks like we have the winner strategy. Let's Play the same games as Kim and evo give us infinite money.
Great time to start TABLE GAMES TUESDAY is on!

I wouldn't advice that because Kim loses most of the time and he can afford it. But still it's always good to crack a joke when you lose the argument

[Money Train]

lol Kim just joined double ball and hit number 8 instantly coincidence? NO
 I Told you guys

[vadernader]

3 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

 

I wouldn't advice that because Kim loses most of the time and he can afford it. But still it's always good to crack a joke when you lose the argument

You probably also think we didn't land on the moon....

 

Simple as this, even if they did use that ball.... they still can't control exactly what number they want it to land on no? Just can avoid a number if it originally lands in one they don't like - and again - regardless of computer calculations and such there still has to be a human operator watching the ball land and then adjusting it, this all takes time... they can't just hop the ball around from number to number indefinitely until it lands in a number they "want" it to land in. Seems like too much time/energy/work/risk for a game that even if they don't rig it they win money.... all these games they don't need to rig to win money at because they are -EV for players to begin with.

[Stevej]

5 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

What you just said clearly proves that you have no idea about today's technology. It takes less than a milisecond for a computer to calculate all bets placed and potential payouts, and the vibration you see there only takes 1 click. Landing on that 0 could have been to avoid paying out a huge win that they haven't banked yet, or to actually pay a big win after they collected enough for it, and I think it was the case because people tend to bet on 0 alot.

Have a look at this video to understand how it's done. However the one they use is more advanced and accurate.

 

I wouldn't advice that because Kim loses most of the time and he can afford it. But still it's always good to crack a joke when you lose the argument

THAT VIDEO!!! 😃 Thank you!!! I stopped gambling for a lifetime!!

[Money Train]

1 minute ago, Stevej said:

THAT VIDEO!!! 😃 Thank you!!! I stopped gambling for a lifetime!!

AGREE!





(Even you trolling on this video nice to see )

[kapisevicius]

On 24/08/2020 at 17:48, Ladyll80 said:

In the beginning of the year it used to pay 500x-1000x weekly, but since CT was released it stopped paying big wins. 

Dude, CT was released in May or April I believe and Monopoly got worse like on the beginning of February - I remember because I used to play it every day back then and lost a lot. As someone said, it is just a variance, the second half of last year was just amazing and way above stated RTP, now it is awful, that's pretty much how gambling works.

[ressivv]

You can say what you want about the usefulness of making the ball jump like that, but either way it's clearly rigged if you see those clips, I mean wtf?!

For me those 2 ball hopping vids just show that evolution gaming is rigged, thanks!

[TheCasinoGuy]

13 minutes ago, vadernader said:

You probably also think we didn't land on the moon....

 

Simple as this, even if they did use that ball.... they still can't control exactly what number they want it to land on no? Just can avoid a number if it originally lands in one they don't like - and again - regardless of computer calculations and such there still has to be a human operator watching the ball land and then adjusting it, this all takes time... they can't just hop the ball around from number to number indefinitely until it lands in a number they "want" it to land in. Seems like too much time/energy/work/risk for a game that even if they don't rig it they win money.... all these games they don't need to rig to win money at because they are -EV for players to begin with.

What I think is that there are people who would tell you that they saw a sheep flying even if you took a video and show them it's a bird, they will still say no it is a sheep.

But no matter, I have been gambling online and offline for a longtime to answer any arguments, and yes they do have people behind the cameras operating all games, they're known in landbased casinos as pitboss, proof for that is, when a missplay happens or any error of somekind, an operator sends a message instantly in chat stating that they will review the replays and judge the outcome.

However, as I said in my previous reply, the ones they use is more advanced that the video I posted and it is more accurate, it's almost the same as the magnets used in an auto roulette and if you need proof on that I can upload a video of my own to explain it.

5 minutes ago, kapisevicius said:

Dude, CT was released in May or April I believe and Monopoly got worse like on the beginning of February - I remember because I used to play it every day back then and lost a lot. As someone said, it is just a variance, the second half of last year was just amazing and way above stated RTP, now it is awful, that's pretty much how gambling works.

I used to play it everyday too, however 1 or 2 people cannot make big of a difference, it takes a lot of players betting to actually release a big win. Evolution gaming only takes a percentage of the net revenue (Bets minus payouts), and as any company in the world they are greedy, they won't release a big win unless they banked enough money for it plus their profits.

And as I said, this also applies to slots. Remember book of ra 2 years ago? raging rhino? sweet bonanza? And the list goes on...

If you end your session up on those games, you should throw a party to all casinogrounds members