Monopoly lowered the RTP

[Ladyll80]

Hi,

Those who have played Evolution Gaming Monopoly for a long time know that it has lowered the RTP significantly since Crazy Time was released. You can follow the stats on Tracksino.com. In the beginning of the year it used to pay 500x-1000x weekly, but since CT was released it stopped paying big wins. Or maybe they've changed it that it's paying small wins more often (for example giving four rolls more often but with small wins). Same thing with Dreamcatcher. Biggest win is 490x in the period of one month. However it is a different game than a half year ago, and you can see people talking that in the game chat.

If it's so easy to change the behavior of the game, it gives quite fishy feeling of this business. Is that legal? And why did they do that?

[TheCasinoGuy]

All game shows by EG are rigged and manipulated, and anyone who would tell you otherwise is either dumb or has no clue how this business is run. Each time a new game is released, the old ones are nerfed (Applies to slots too), the big wins now tend to drop on Crazytime only and no it's not because most players play CT, all game are live 24/7.

The wheels are rigged, the features are rigged and 100% controled, and they won't release a big win unless they collected enough money before, that's how it works.

Now if it's legal or not, it is legal even if it's manipulated and not "random" because I always say the problem is in the laws and not the casinos. The laws must change. 

Also regulating authorities cannot inspect anything because they have no authority outside the country they belong to. I.e. the UKGC cannot inspect Crazytime, monopoly wheels because the studios are based in Latvia, however they can ban the games from the UK.

[Ladyll80]

29 minutes ago, TheCasinoGuy said:

All game shows by EG are rigged and manipulated, and anyone who would tell you otherwise is either dumb or has no clue how this business is run. Each time a new game is released, the old ones are nerfed (Applies to slots too), the big wins now tend to drop on Crazytime only and no it's not because most players play CT, all game are live 24/7.

The wheels are rigged, the features are rigged and 100% controled, and they won't release a big win unless they collected enough money before, that's how it works.

Now if it's legal or not, it is legal even if it's manipulated and not "random" because I always say the problem is in the laws and not the casinos. The laws must change. 

Also regulating authorities cannot inspect anything because they have no authority outside the country they belong to. I.e. the UKGC cannot inspect Crazytime, monopoly wheels because the studios are based in Latvia, however they can ban the games from the UK.

Yeah. Exactly. I think it's bit sad cause this is a good entertainment, but nobody wants to be scammed. This is the reason I drastically reduced my playing and stopped playing Monopoly. It used to be my favorite game.

[Teamkayenne]

What's the reason playing Monopoly? Or even Crazy Time? Never understood the rush of the wheel 😕 But if you want me to be honest, here is a quote. "You will win when I say so"

[Money Train]

Have you ever heard about variance?

[Stevej]

2 hours ago, Money Train said:

Have you ever heard about variance?

This is just a one stupid variance comment here again.

[dirtystack]

This post.

 

[Stevej]

It's bit funny to see all these memes since we've talked this topic earlier on this forum and it's mathematically proved that their games are rigged. They control the variance the way the want = have total control with the winnings. And probably the same thing happens in all slots as well, but this is a thing that nobody can ever prove. But people who do not think with their own brain just keep on posting these memes. Still hope you big wins and good luck with games guys! Don't play everything.

[dirtystack]

54 minutes ago, Stevej said:

It's bit funny to see all these memes since we've talked this topic earlier on this forum and it's mathematically proved that their games are rigged. They control the variance the way the want = have total control with the winnings. And probably the same thing happens in all slots as well, but this is a thing that nobody can ever prove. But people who do not think with their own brain just keep on posting these memes. Still hope you big wins and good luck with games guys! Don't play everything.

Where is this mathematical proof you talk about. Repeatedly saying that it has been mathematically proven does not make these mathematical proofs pop into existence.

I doubt you have any understanding of maths. Mathematically proven by who? by you? you don't have a fucking clue about maths and are not qualified to make any conclusions.

You don't have the will to actually learn about maths and probability to the point where you could accurately calculate anything.

These memes? 

These = Plural, meaning more then 1

There is 1 meme here - considering you cant tell the difference between the singular and the plural, what hope is there for you mathematical understanding/ability.

Where is this proof you go on about, don't just pick and choose any variation from the norm that confirms your stupid ideas, compile the data and extrapolate conclusions based on the data, get your agenda out of it and do it in an unbiased fashion. Figure out a way to display your findings in a clear and verifiable manner. 

Dimwit.

 

 

 

[Stevej]

Sorry to say but I'm a software engineer and I know something about the maths. I made a Javascript app year a ago that simulates certain patterns and calculates probabilities of Evolution Gaming live games. You can see the stats from Tracksino.com. But since there's no all of their games, I also made a server bot with Node.Js that follows Evolution Gaming Super Sic Bo and writes down the results. You can calculate variance from the results. But I don't wanna argue with you. I like arguing with people who write nicely.

[dirtystack]

It is a waste of energy arguing with you, needless to say I don't believe you or your claims. I don't believe this "mathematically proven" claim of yours as you never seem to provide it.

I don't believe you have made an app that accurately does anything, certainly don't expect you to provide it for verification.

Anyway, nice chat.

[Stevej]

Ok! Good luck! 

[Slotspinner]

@dirtystack wasted time to argue here imo , if people believe its rigged you cant change them.

[Orzabot]

@dirtystack lol jokes on you, i use his app every day and it works perfect. I wanted to send it to you for proof but i deleted it by mistake when it tried to share it and all my screenshots got corrupted at the same time. 

[Stevej]

Okey guys! This is the last comment on this one. I know people get emotional when talking about this. You can blame me stupid what ever, I don't give a shit, but when we started to have a good "you're asshole" conversation here, give comments on this one. I might be wrong what ever, but think about this.

On Evolution Gaming Live Games, this is happening constantly all the time (image attached). Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls. I would say it's happening every day, but not sure of that. However I'm seeing that constantly and this image was taken few minutes ago. You can check that if you're online now, and that number is growing all the time. Tracksino.com.

You can count the probability of not hitting the 4 rolls on 400 spins like this: (53/54)^400. There are 54 slots in the wheel, if I remember correct.

Yesterday I was checking Super Sic Bo. I believe it's animated or somehow controlled by a computer. There was 3 hours (and then got tired of watching it and went sleep) without triples. You can count that one like (35/36)^300 (or like 400 I don't know how many spins in 3 hours...).

The probability for that you can reach 400 spins and not hitting one number in 54 is 0,05%. And not getting triples in 400 throws is 0,001%. My javascript code simulates these scenarios. You can run the code and get results for the next ten years in few seconds.

Of course this scenario will happen sometimes (400 spins between 4 rolls). But think about it. It won't happen every day. What ever moon position, stars aligned, daa daa daa, it won't happen every day. They manipulate it.

Why are they doing that? Well, I think it's the most clever way to make people doing new deposits over and over again. They deposit cause you're waiting for the 4 spins (or triples, or 40 in Dreamcatcher, the best "bonus"). I did, and maybe I was stupid. That's how they make money! 

For me that's enough that I can say, these games are rigged. They are not live games. If I go to the live online casino, I want live games. Not fake live games.

[Stevej]

And some reference. In the lottery game in our country you need 7 numbers right for the biggest win (numbers from 1 to 40). 

The probability for 5 right numbers is 0,05%.

So maybe the variance is doing its thing and I will be getting 5 rights constantly in future. Because so far my best has been 3 out of 7. Lol...

[Money Train]

1/54 = 0.0185 ->1.85%
2.13%> 1.85% RIGGED

[Stevej]

5 minutes ago, Money Train said:

1/54 = 0.0185 ->1.85%
2.13%> 1.85% RIGGED

Lol! So you basically didn't understand at all and immediately speaking totally different thing.

[Money Train]

Don't worry I understand you don't understand variance.

[Ladyll80]

2 minutes ago, Money Train said:

Don't worry I understand you don't understand variance.

Interesting conversation! Actually I think you didn't understand the point here.

[dirtystack]

4 hours ago, Slotspinner said:

@dirtystack wasted time to argue here imo , if people believe its rigged you cant change them.

I don’t mind, I have to vent now and then so it is good for me.

[Money Train]

"Like in Monopoly, there are 400, or even 500 spins between 4 rolls. I would say it's happening every day, but not sure of that"
 

I know 400-500 Not happening everyday
200 spins without 4 roll happening like everyday but it's super standard on 1/54 game

[Slotspinner]

@stevej

7x7x7x40 in Dream Catcher is 1 in 8,5 Million and very bad for Evolution, yet it happened already

Only considering bad things for the player ?

[780xFTW]

2 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

@stevej

7x7x7x40 in Dream Catcher is 1 in 8,5 Million and very bad for Evolution,
 

evolution couldnt care less... in fact its even beneficial for them since big wins attract new players

[Slotspinner]

Just now, 780xFTW said:

evolution couldnt care less... in fact its even beneficial for them since big wins are attracting new players

pick a side, either they rigg it to take more money from the player or they dont 😅😅😅