Pragmaticplay

[lemingspluteplayer]

Hi to all,

i'm Lemingsfluteplayer.

All I want, after allmost 10 years playing online to find WINNERS who got at least 10% of what Pragmatic is stating in their slots that is possible to win. Lets start with Pirate gold - there is stated that max win is over 32.000x. Please link/upload your wins with at least 10% of that promise.

After that we can start with other Pragmatic games.

BR,

Francek

[Teamkayenne]

@lemingspluteplayerI once took 3.5k on 0.25 cents on Peking luck. I think it's like 14.000x. Max X on this game is 180000x so I think I reached the 8-9% ?

I can assure you the pirate gold slot is what I'm also playing. The bonus round is 99% useless. The only thing that counts is the jackpot Bonus. My max win here is a sad 700x. 😤 If you play this you know this is quite good🤣

[lemingspluteplayer]

@Teamkayenne - i feel you bro. We are COMMUNITY here, so I hope we get some other community responce...

Pragmatic, in my opinion has some real problems! - lets see what we get...

[JonnyWalker]

I think Thunderkick is worse than Pragmatic in this case. I've never seen anyone have a big win on thunderkick

[geggs1]

I once got a 120x win on Pragmatic. I’m down 120,000x over lifetime of playing them. They are on the banned list Now.

[dirtystack]

The max win on Pragmatic slots is pretty much BS aside from on the 5000x max win Fruit Party (or whatever it is called)

They seem to be comfortable stating that the max possible win is the amount you would be paid if you had fullscreen wilds everywhere, it might be what the max possible pay is according to the paytable if you were to get fullscreen wilds but it is not possible within the games themselves.

Madam Destiny, win up to 18000x in the basegame, up to 54000x perspin in the bonus round!!!

Yes, if you get fullscreen wilds in the basegame then you get 18000x, if you get fullscreen wilds in the bonus round you will get 54000x for that spin - these are the max possible wins if you were to ignore everything and calculate the maax possible win from the paytable information. It is completly removed from the actual game itself and is very misleading.

If you kept an eye on the pragmatic network tournaments, there has been week long ones constantly running over the last year,  you will see them won with a win around 5000x - this is across many many participating casinos, a changing variety of eligible games, and likely hundreds of thousands - possibly millions players around the world, billions and billions of spins. 

@Teamkayenne 180 000x on Peking luck, I bet that is what a single spin with pay in the bonus round, with max multi, if you got fullscreen wilds.

I just went and checked the paytable; 400x for 5 wilds multiplied by 25 lines multiplied by a the max freespin multi(18x) = 180 000x.

Their max win figure does not take into account the actual maths and mechanics of the game, it just gives you a bullshit representation of some paytable fantasy.

 

Edited 19 August, 2020 by dirtystack

[TrustworthyC]

I'll quote myself from this thread:

I have tried a lot of tournaments for a while on their own free to play network (the one with tournaments with which you can win real cash) and it only confirms what i felt before. It's nothing i can prove, and i certainly don't have an agenda, i think they have a handful of decent games, but i simply don't trust them: again - some reps are top notch fellows but i amtalking about the brinas and tech guys behind the scenes..

I tried one session on the new Dog House Megways simply because i wanted to participate in the latest CG promo, but again, it just feels wrong. This provider is officially on my shitlist, just like Betsoft (for basically the same reasons)

I'm sure their slots do produce valid winners, but i feel like better safe than sorry!

 

Edited 19 August, 2020 by TrustworthyC

[ressivv]

Its also the most predetermined bs ever. Every slot is, but on pragmatics its often way to obvious. Take that shit game Drago for example, so bad...

[TheMikeyx]

Especially a game like Extra Juicy feels fishy. Done tens of thousands of spins on it, never won more than 150x. And only had a retrigger ONCE - which paid absolutely 0 in the extra 12 spins....

 

never again. Throwing your money in the toilet probably gives you a better chance 😛

[lemingspluteplayer]

4 hours ago, dirtystack said:

The max win on Pragmatic slots is pretty much BS aside from on the 5000x max win Fruit Party (or whatever it is called)

They seem to be comfortable stating that the max possible win is the amount you would be paid if you had fullscreen wilds everywhere, it might be what the max possible pay is according to the paytable if you were to get fullscreen wilds but it is not possible within the games themselves.

Madam Destiny, win up to 18000x in the basegame, up to 54000x perspin in the bonus round!!!

Yes, if you get fullscreen wilds in the basegame then you get 18000x, if you get fullscreen wilds in the bonus round you will get 54000x for that spin - these are the max possible wins if you were to ignore everything and calculate the maax possible win from the paytable information. It is completly removed from the actual game itself and is very misleading.

If you kept an eye on the pragmatic network tournaments, there has been week long ones constantly running over the last year,  you will see them won with a win around 5000x - this is across many many participating casinos, a changing variety of eligible games, and likely hundreds of thousands - possibly millions players around the world, billions and billions of spins. 

@Teamkayenne 180 000x on Peking luck, I bet that is what a single spin with pay in the bonus round, with max multi, if you got fullscreen wilds.

I just went and checked the paytable; 400x for 5 wilds multiplied by 25 lines multiplied by a the max freespin multi(18x) = 180 000x.

Their max win figure does not take into account the actual maths and mechanics of the game, it just gives you a bullshit representation of some paytable fantasy.

 

Hi dirtystack, everithing you wrote is fact. I'm more interested in protection of us players. We have to start to act and not allowing anymore that such shady companys like Pragmatic feeding us with s_it! Is this even legal? - Stating some win possibilitis that are not achivable? Isn't this criminal?

Edited 19 August, 2020 by lemingspluteplayer

[damson95]

Lol this provider is the mafia of the slots. Never ever play games from this provider. Look up who the ceo is. U will know enough. 

[Orzabot]

Pragmatic Play is a casino game developer that has been in business under two different names since some time around 2007 or 2008. Hard information is difficult to find on this company as they have a bit of an iffy past and reportedly changed their name from “TopGame” to “Pragmatic Play” in 2015 after being bought out by new ownership. Thus, our introduction to Pragmatic Play must begin with a word of caution.

Table Of Contents

• Pragmatic Play Slots
• The Final Word

A careful Google search reveals that the under its prior name (TopGame), this casino developer had a habit of supplying software to online casinos with major trust issues. Many, many players have logged complaints of no-pays and slow-pays from casinos powered by TopGame over the years. Every casino site and software developer is bound to have some complaints, but the large number of complaints directly targeted at TopGame casinos is too much to ignore.

TopGame was supposedly purchased by investors sometime near the end of 2015 and changed its name to Pragmatic Play around that time. Since then, Pragmatic Play has received mixed reviews. Some gambling websites offer an optimistic view that Pragmatic Play appears to have turned a new leaf and has begun partnering with higher-quality casinos. Other websites continue to file Pragmatic Play under “rogue operator” and refuse to endorse any casino powered by this software.

CasinoMeister posted a warning about Top Game back in 2014 explaining that casinos using this software imposed strict withdrawal limits of just $1,500 per request – applied even to progressive jackpot wins. Likewise, the CasinoListings entry for Pragmatic Play still recommends players avoid any and all games created by this developer.

On a positive note, Pragmatic Play has partnered with some larger platforms that supply games to major, well-known casino sites such as Betsson, Mr. Green, Mansion and others. This has resulted in Pragmatic Play slots appearing on some of the internet’s most trusted online casinos. Pragmatic Play also made it to the shortlist of nominees at the 2017 EGR Nordic Awards for the “Casino Content Supplier” award.

On the other hand, it is tough to get past the terrible reputation Pragmatic Play earned for itself while it still went by the TopGame name. Trust takes a long time to build in online gambling and once that trust has been broken, it is difficult-to-impossible to ever regain that trust.

Additionally, the Pragmatic Play website still lists BetDSI as one of its partners. I have no opinion on the reputation of BetDSI except to note that it is a USA-friendly betting site. Typically, casino software developers avoid the US market altogether because doing so could put their European gambling licenses at risk. It’s a little odd that Pragmatic Play would score partnerships with major European casinos such as Betsson but yet still list a USA-facing sportsbook on its partners page.

Pragmatic Play Slots

Whatever difficulties they’ve had in the past, Pragmatic Play does stay busy releasing new games. Pragmatic has released more than 120 slots to date and all are equally functional on both desktop and mobile devices.

On a strong point, the game variety offered by Pragmatic Play is larger than that of most other developers. The vast majority of their work has been in the slots category, but the Pragmatic library also includes table games, video poker and keno. These games are available in nearly 80 countries and have been translated into 18 languages.

However, game quality is just decent. The games run smoothly and are functional, but the graphics are basic and there seems to be little inspiration or innovation here. Pragmatic Play slots do not offer any unique selling points and look a bit dated by today’s standards. The best word to describe these slots would be “generic.” They aren’t terrible, but they also aren’t special.

[Teamkayenne]

@dirtystack yes mate correct. The 180.000x is also advertised on peking luck by the time you open the slot. Managed to get the 14.000x and trust me i was astonished to see this win in a pragmatic slot. I think nobody will ever come close to even a 30.000x on this game in my point of view. The only game i trust in paying high is DOA2. I dont think we will see a game very soon, such as this one.

[gubbenscf]

Hello,

Big thanks to @lemingspluteplayer for starting this topic. Try to keep it alive a long while, since it has been many years and billions of spins on products of this provider and many have not delivered plus evidently a shady past. Recently, they obviously tried to patch up something with Fruit Party that has delivered. Personally I lost trust, not only playing their slots, but reading of comments here and CasinoMeister. I simply choose not to play their slots anymore unless there is some value in promotions.

Big thanks as well to @Orzabot for sharing the essential history.

Sadly, slot players do not have a body to represent them, just the forums. Only way to have an impact would be to popularize banning a certain provider with a shady past and recent publications. With banning I mean strong recommendations for other players not to use products. I don't know in what that way would be, but @Orzabot posted a text above with sufficient grounds. If slot players would have an official body, or several forums would form a general body or party that would officially state banlists of providers and/or their products, it would make a difference. The only way simply is to limit the money streams into a shady provider and the competition will do the rest.

Biggest problem is that nobody monitors the real accumulated returns of slots as products over time. The alleged max wins should be monitored as well, now it has been only DOA2 that has delivered the highest wins over time excluding jackpots. Slots are simply licensed and they go online, but nobody follows the real stats.

[zaktron]

Has anyone been playing Curse of the werewolf? the feature seems so weird done 25-30 features so far 99% u unlock the first wild with 5freespins left then the 2nd wild with 3freespins left and 3rd often with 1freespins left.

But even if you retrigger 2-3 times its ALWAYS the same number of spins left on this, it just dosent even seem close to random.

When i say 99% is cause its only 2 maybe 3 times in all features where its 1freespin less u trigger wilds.

And never triggered the feature with more than 3 scatters.

[Marwen_Ounis]

1 hour ago, zaktron said:

Has anyone been playing Curse of the werewolf? the feature seems so weird done 25-30 features so far 99% u unlock the first wild with 5freespins left then the 2nd wild with 3freespins left and 3rd often with 1freespins left.

But even if you retrigger 2-3 times its ALWAYS the same number of spins left on this, it just dosent even seem close to random.

When i say 99% is cause its only 2 maybe 3 times in all features where its 1freespin less u trigger wilds.

And never triggered the feature with more than 3 scatters.

Well Saying!

[lemingspluteplayer]

Im getting more and more confused about fact that Pragmatic slots have licenses! @gubbenscf

Watch the new Dog House Megaways slot from Pragmatic! There is posibillity of geting max ways of 117.649, so we could expect distribution of possiblle ways for the lowest 10% (lowest 10% means up to 11.764 ways) of some 50% of all made spins, then some additional 5% of all made spins in range of 20% of max ways (so in range up to 23.528 ways) and so on and so on.

In reality 99,5% of all spins are in the lowest posible range (up to 11.764 ways) and only in 0,5% you'll get spin with more then 11.764 ways! This is not normal mechanic for a megaways slot - so again Im stuned that this slot got licensed!

There is slowly time to do something - this will otherwise ruin online slot playing community, like it happend with online poker.

Edited 7 September, 2020 by lemingspluteplayer

[chainy]

i got - 2,5x on starz megaways  yesterday 🤣probably new record on lowest pay 

[onlinelooser]

my max wins on these games are 2300x on starz mways and 2400x on buffaloking

[Lemonsbluff]

On 25/08/2020 at 12:07, zaktron said:

Has anyone been playing Curse of the werewolf? the feature seems so weird done 25-30 features so far 99% u unlock the first wild with 5freespins left then the 2nd wild with 3freespins left and 3rd often with 1freespins left.

But even if you retrigger 2-3 times its ALWAYS the same number of spins left on this, it just dosent even seem close to random.

When i say 99% is cause its only 2 maybe 3 times in all features where its 1freespin less u trigger wilds.

And never triggered the feature with more than 3 scatters.

Yep, the pattern's always the same regardless of retriggers; I once had 4 (competely redundant) retriggers. With all that said, I have once reached the last stage and the bonus paid almost 1,500x on a £0.20 stake. I believe I had 1 retrigger. But generally, the bonus will always end needing one golden wolf to unlock the last character.

[Orzabot]

i have not done a single bet on a pragmatic slot for almost a year, feels great. 

[lemingspluteplayer]

Hi @Orzabot i belive you that it feels good. Sadly this is not enough. You did "escaped" from shady Pragmatic slots, but thousands other players can not, if they are not informed....so I'm thinking of starting an YT channel or twitter group with only this topic!

I feel that it is not in anybodys interest to allow such shady business practice - stating that posible win is 180.000x and nobody saw a win higher then 10% of the stated posibility! It just has to stop! We can easely imagine that other slots provider will start copy this "behavior" - why not, I'm stating something which is not achiveble and nothing's happened. They will start stating RTP that are not real! Why not? We see nobody is sanctioning this.

[Orzabot]

12 minutes ago, lemingspluteplayer said:

Hi @Orzabot i belive you that it feels good. Sadly this is not enough. You did "escaped" from shady Pragmatic slots, but thousands other players can not, if they are not informed....so I'm thinking of starting an YT channel or twitter group with only this topic!

I feel that it is not in anybodys interest to allow such shady business practice - stating that posible win is 180.000x and nobody saw a win higher then 10% of the stated posibility! It just has to stop! We can easely imagine that other slots provider will start copy this "behavior" - why not, I'm stating something which is not achiveble and nothing's happened. They will start stating RTP that are not real! Why not? We see nobody is sanctioning this.

I agree with you. It is not enough for me that i have escaped, that is also why i shared information about this shady company further up in the chat. 

[Juki01]

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[Original Jase]

Ironically the only game I've capped is a pragmatic, link below, but no wonder since it was 5000x. Thier max wins for most of their slots is ludicrous but then again same could be said for play n go. Apart from book of dead and maybe a tiny amount of others what one of their slots ever reaches the max win! 

https://replay.pragmaticplay.net/iQHcf3777p