The real advantage casino streamers have!

[BoracicLint]

On 20/07/2020 at 22:44, tehf00n said:

I read through this and by the reasoning of the OP, streamers have more chance to win than non-streamers. Which is completely untrue.
There is nothing that states you can't get the same deals as streamers. Affiliate schemes don't force you to stream at all. They are just referals and you have to do the work, usually by streaming and building a community.  So all the costs, time, lifeforce involved puts streamers at a loss from the start.

Now let's say you have streamer vs non-streamer who never takes bonuses. Then yes, they have an advantage by the numbers. Effectively you get another (100-96.5)/2 if you take a fixed RTP at 96.5 taking it upto 98.25%. This can fluctuate depending on the RTP of the original deposit during playthrough.

So over time, they lose a little less than you would if you didn't take a bonus.

Of course you forget luck in the equation.  One streamer might be lucky. One might not. A non-streamer might be luckier than a streamer, one might not.

Ultimately if you play casual, getting a no-sticky bonus absolutely the best thing you can do. If you play long term, it's a choice between how you want to offset your losses really, but usually the best chance to win sooner rather than later.

I think he is trying to say that streamers can absorb the losses better as the deposit bonuses allow longer non big win runs than the average punter playing small deposits. Nobody is disputing this really. I do agree that allowing bigger stakes for the streamers is a bit unfair and irresponsible of the casinos but I think streamers now feel they need to play higher stakes to attract the viewer,maybe?

[Teamkayenne]

5 minutes ago, BoracicLint said:

I think he is trying to say that streamers can absorb the losses better as the deposit bonuses allow longer non big win runs than the average punter playing small deposits. Nobody is disputing this really. I do agree that allowing bigger stakes for the streamers is a bit unfair and irresponsible of the casinos but I think streamers now feel they need to play higher stakes to attract the viewer,maybe?

It doesn't depend. When a streamer, who is newbie he will not get match deposit bonuses at first from the casinos he is promoting. He will play with his cash.  Late if he gets more audience, that means he gets affiliate money. This cash is not steady. One month up one month down. After couple of good sessions the casinos can offer him match deposit bonuses or "non withdrawable money"  Some streamers like to stay true and risk the affiliate money. Some others (extremely few) just stream with no affiliates behind and with their own cash. Others don't. They take the second option. They bet high. Just to get more audience. 

[uainot89]

I guess it's super easy to upload some virtual money for these streamers. It probably isn't real money, so they are playing a real slot in a demo outcome 😅

[Asle Martinsen]

On 29/06/2020 at 12:32, Aviad said:

So I know there is a lot of talk out there about casino streamers and how they win all the time and how some don't even use their own money.

First of all it's ridiculous to think streamers have any advantage  with slots. Slots are not rigged for streamers in anyway. 

Second I am not going to talk about streamers who play with fake money and we all know there are quite a few of them out there.

But I do think there is one very important advantage which streamers do have and do use which the average player barely has which is the DEPOSIT MATCH BONUS. This is grossly understated and gives streamers a huge advantage over the normal player.  

I know some streamers don't ever take bonuses (like the Bandit) but the vast majority of streamers including the casino grounds streamers have an infinite amount of 100% deposit match bonuses which can go up to the thousands if they wish. Even though they would normally have the same wagering requirements as normal players a lot of the time they are allowed do over the usual max bet (normally 2£-5£ ) sometimes with no max bet what so ever. 

So when the normal player has a bank roll which he needs to normally fund 100% , and if loses it he will lose all his money, streamers need to only fund 50% of their usual bank roll so their lost is half of what the normal player loses.

The amount of time streamers ended up taking huge wins when they manage to finish the wagering requirements gives them a real advantage over everyone. 

So even though legit streamers keep saying they play with their own money and not fake, which is very true and I dont dispute that, and they do lose sometimes a lot of money streaming, they manage to come on top of all of us by far, all thanks to the huge advantage they have with deposit bonuses. 

If any streamer disputes this I would be happy to hear their side.

This is fair enough and true. 

What people need to keep in mind is that for the hours of entertainment the streamers put out week after week, it's necessary for them to habe these bonuses. Most of the time these bonuses is the difference between them being able to provide the entertainment and run their business with a profit, and the business model not working. 

Streamers play more than most of us. If anyone tries to keep playing as much as streamers on a hobby basis, they've likely got a problem. Streamers like Letsgiveitaspin, slotspinner and nickslots are always pointing these things out. They're encouraging viewers to be as responsible as possible at all times, evem though they make more the more you gamble through their links. They offer help whenever they can, and they're giving back to the community in so many ways. Not to mention the fact they wanna meet most of us when possible. 

I think the streamers I mentioned deserve all the success possible, and people need to stop being jealous of them, and realise that expecting to play as much as streamers do on their stakes is impossible in the long run. Keep in mind they played at way lower stakes in the beginning too, and built a following doing it.

 

[Aviad]

On 11/09/2020 at 09:57, Asle Martinsen said:

This is fair enough and true. 

What people need to keep in mind is that for the hours of entertainment the streamers put out week after week, it's necessary for them to habe these bonuses. Most of the time these bonuses is the difference between them being able to provide the entertainment and run their business with a profit, and the business model not working. 

Streamers play more than most of us. If anyone tries to keep playing as much as streamers on a hobby basis, they've likely got a problem. Streamers like Letsgiveitaspin, slotspinner and nickslots are always pointing these things out. They're encouraging viewers to be as responsible as possible at all times, evem though they make more the more you gamble through their links. They offer help whenever they can, and they're giving back to the community in so many ways. Not to mention the fact they wanna meet most of us when possible. 

I think the streamers I mentioned deserve all the success possible, and people need to stop being jealous of them, and realise that expecting to play as much as streamers do on their stakes is impossible in the long run. Keep in mind they played at way lower stakes in the beginning too, and built a following doing it.

 

I am not jealous and I don’t dispute  anY of what you say. It’s all clear and true. I was just making the point of what is the true advantage casino streamers have over most other players. It’s a meaningful advantage which enables them to increase their RTP In the long run. That’s it. Very simple.

[Mr BTC GAMBLER]

On 29/06/2020 at 11:32, Aviad said:

So I know there is a lot of talk out there about casino streamers and how they win all the time and how some don't even use their own money.

First of all it's ridiculous to think streamers have any advantage  with slots. Slots are not rigged for streamers in anyway. 

Second I am not going to talk about streamers who play with fake money and we all know there are quite a few of them out there.

But I do think there is one very important advantage which streamers do have and do use which the average player barely has which is the DEPOSIT MATCH BONUS. This is grossly understated and gives streamers a huge advantage over the normal player.  

I know some streamers don't ever take bonuses (like the Bandit) but the vast majority of streamers including the casino grounds streamers have an infinite amount of 100% deposit match bonuses which can go up to the thousands if they wish. Even though they would normally have the same wagering requirements as normal players a lot of the time they are allowed do over the usual max bet (normally 2£-5£ ) sometimes with no max bet what so ever. 

So when the normal player has a bank roll which he needs to normally fund 100% , and if loses it he will lose all his money, streamers need to only fund 50% of their usual bank roll so their lost is half of what the normal player loses.

The amount of time streamers ended up taking huge wins when they manage to finish the wagering requirements gives them a real advantage over everyone. 

So even though legit streamers keep saying they play with their own money and not fake, which is very true and I dont dispute that, and they do lose sometimes a lot of money streaming, they manage to come on top of all of us by far, all thanks to the huge advantage they have with deposit bonuses. 

If any streamer disputes this I would be happy to hear their side.

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[BoracicLint]

On 28/08/2020 at 20:44, Teamkayenne said:

It doesn't depend. When a streamer, who is newbie he will not get match deposit bonuses at first from the casinos he is promoting. He will play with his cash.  Late if he gets more audience, that means he gets affiliate money. This cash is not steady. One month up one month down. After couple of good sessions the casinos can offer him match deposit bonuses or "non withdrawable money"  Some streamers like to stay true and risk the affiliate money. Some others (extremely few) just stream with no affiliates behind and with their own cash. Others don't. They take the second option. They bet high. Just to get more audience. 

This sounds quite aggressive towards me and I don't know why. I never said anything about 'it depends' I just gave my opinion of what I thought another poster said and how I interpreted what he said,I admit that I may have been wrong about his opinion.

[Teamkayenne]

20 hours ago, BoracicLint said:

This sounds quite aggressive towards me and I don't know why. I never said anything about 'it depends' I just gave my opinion of what I thought another poster said and how I interpreted what he said,I admit that I may have been wrong about his opinion.

Oh no. I didn't have any attention of being aggressive. Sorry if it looked this way. 🥰☹️

[BoracicLint]

3 hours ago, Teamkayenne said:

Oh no. I didn't have any attention of being aggressive. Sorry if it looked this way. 🥰☹️

No problem.Its difficult to take context from words at times.

[dublinjay]

@derty4  Investment in casino games ??? You do know that it has negative expected return right .. Casino games are supposed to be an entertainment option  and definitely not an investment option. 

[xizted]

34 minutes ago, dublinjay said:

@derty4  Investment in casino games ??? You do know that it has negative expected return right .. Casino games are supposed to be an entertainment option  and definitely not an investment option. 

That is a spam bot for another casino site, just a dirty advertisement.

[HADTOCHANGE]

On 30/06/2020 at 00:45, ryans_slots said:

Although they do have advantage of playing for longer it doesn't mean they will always win in terms of huge money (LetsGiveItASpin lost £100,000 euros last year 2019, playing deposit bonuses and live table games etc).

They may win £20,000 one stream but lost the previous 40 streams of £1,000 deposits meaning they are still down. There are loads of costs involved in streaming depends on the streamer such as Nickslots, he does random cash giveaways, 10% guessing competitions, all the charity donations, Tax on affiliate earnings, website costs, other stuff I can't think of right now. however if you did a yearly ins & outs 95% of streamers will still be down in deposits. which it would be double without the deposit matches, anyone can be an affiliate and stream pretty much now days.

Some affilaite partners are having max cashouts on deposit bonuses now which I won't mention who however the ultimate aim for deposit bonuses are intended for 1 thing only and that's to keep the streams going for longer to get their channel expand.

If Nickslots as he does stream 4 days a week and had a budget of £1,000 per stream without deposit bonuses it would be £208,000 annually so its just to keep costs down, keep the streams longer.

Then he also has his own costs on top as I mentioned above which include huge giveaways, charity work, tax on affiliate earnings, computer equipment it just makes sense to use them.

The UKGC has really messed up casino bonuses ages ago by taxing them so each average player hardly gets them anymore as the casinos don't want to pay any additonal tax costs for giving you an extra chance to win money. There are some sites that do offer reload bonuses but its very rare to get 1 now I don't remember the last time I had 80% bonus up to £240 @ Casumo its been years.

In terms of Max bet situation people love high rolling slots so some streamers may feel the urge to raise the bet to pull more viewers in, slotspinner has played on 5 euro average bet size for years which is a fair bet size.

I heard that Dunder has removed all deposit bonuses for streamers because people abused them (I don't know if this is the story I was told in a stream before.

Conclusion: Your right they do get slight advantage but not always win in terms of money, maybe better RTP and stream longer however even with a deposit bonus its still hard to win on the slots.

Ryan- dont think you needed to defend streamers to this extent, your making out certain streamers are saints and look what they have to pay out. Simple fact they have nice cars and houses from the losses of their fans and are living a good life. your making it sound like they are 200k down for the year when in fact you could flip and treble the number and that's the profit.

Streamers deserve to feel the pinch you have had too good for too long and all business gets squeezed when the bubble bursts, all i know is I wont feel sorry for you streamers but I do worry what happens when you cant really afford 2-5 spins no more and you are stuck with a long term addiction due to there not being any more affiliation market left. No doubt some have invested well and some have not.

[helenset]

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