9600x on Monopoly first bet of stream

[ivanas69]

7 hours ago, vanHooff said:

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The  video shows that 156 people won $2.7 million.

If there were 1500 people and the bigger bets were booted, imagine the exposure that is hardly managable. 😈
Evolution should probably have coded that chance gives only 1 multiplier, no two consecutive multipliers.

 

It is easy to count and average bet is really too small ~1.80usd.Also someone advised to look into previous 2R game how many players played it so the numbers on 4R varies with not big difference.There was tracking history info how many players on selected number/bonus that round won but for some reason that tracker removed that stats section.

https://tracksino.com/monopoly/?period=24hours

 

[thefan]

Evolution always has maintenance of the game AROUND that time. It might be its the first spin after that maintenance. OR not . I would not be screaming rigged so hastily. But i do understand if a small casino has evolution gaming on their portfolio, and a lot of players hit wins for like 10000x on that small casino, it might actually go bust because of this .

[damson95]

Evolution is the biggest mafia on the net. 

Stay away

[Stevej]

Yeah. I saw this 9600x and had to look for this topic. This game and provider is the biggest legal scam on internet. Somehow I understand that they have to control it not giving 9600x to 2000 players, but that's not how it should be. And btw the big hit before that was 6400x and it happened few months back approximately the same time and low amount of players.

In Tracksino.com you can follow the stats of this game. It's hosted by Evolution as well. There's no public API for Evolution Games so it means that they give the information to Tracksino.com. It's good advertising for online casinos.

They used to have stats for "amount of players", but like someone here said they've removed it. Now we know why.

You can also see on Tracksino how many spins between 4 rolls i.e. I've noticed that in rush hours (with many players) there's over 400 spins between 4 rolls continuously. Happens in every week, or at least I've happened to see that many times already in last 2 months after I've realized it. That's because everyone's playing 4 rolls with big bets and waiting for the next rolls. If you wanna calculate the probability for one number of 54 numbers not appearing in 400 spins is (53/54)^400. That probability is ridiculous. You can calculate that should only happen approximately 5 times in one year. That mathematical fact proves that this game is controlled - don't care if it's motor, guy behind the wheel, whatever - but it's 100% controlled and scam. The players who have been in this "cold session" know that wheel is avoiding the rolls with all cost! It looks bit funny actually cause it's so obvious...  I attached few screenshots I took along the way. These all were over 400 spins before hitting 4 rolls again.

And now if someone thinks that stats still show that 4 rolls appearing 1/54% in long run. Well, it hits continuously when there's low amount of players (when you've gone to sleep).

It's sad to see casino business going corrupted.

[Slotspinner]

Youll have to come up with some proper factual proof and not assumptions..

[AdamJSlots]

I don't in any way think that anything nefarious happened this time (or would indeed happen at any time as Evo has too much to lose long-term fiddling the games) however, a win such as this on (9600x on Monopoly Live) at peak time with 4000+ players would be a bit of a disaster for both Evo and its casino clients.

Again, some food for thought per my previous post.

[chips456]

When I check tracksino in the afternoon (I live in Canada) which is generally the peak time for Europeans 1 seems to be at 38ish % for last 24 hours, rolls and chance about 10-11% between the 3, but then when I check it a few hours later 1 is always about 43% and rolls+chance are down to 7% or so. Meaning that during peak time for Europeans it's really bad. Right now 1 is 38.5% rolls+chance 11% I guarantee in 10 hours it will be 43% and 7%

It's good for me because I normally play at very late hours, I have tried in the afternoon and it's been beyond terrible, noticed it was hot last night so I did 5 auto plays while getting ready for bed and hit the 800x but I still don't trust this game 

[vanHooff]

^^ if I needed any more money, I'd play this game very early in the morning 
on several casino's at the same time betting no more than EUR 1,90 on each one on 4 rolls. 😉

 

[Stevej]

Ofc it's impossible to bring any actual proof. And in the end, nobody really cares. Whatever you show to people there will always be 3000 players in Monopoly. Btw today there's been 5x8x2rolls and another 10x4rolls. I'm not surprised at all. Hopefully somebody got good money!

Started thinking. Where's a game provider that could show what's inside these games, I mean, show what's really "under the hood"? There has to be a reason why Monopoly gets so much negative feedback. I'm a software designer and loved to see some deep technical data about these games. Like open source slots! 😄There's nothing special and classified inside the games. It's just basic rng stuff, right? 

Youtube is full of these infinitely spinning wheel videos and all weird shit related to Monopoly. And it's hosted from 90's love-ferry looking casino room in some eastern country, though Evo is a Swedish company. 😂 Why does it have to be like that? I'm sorry but my personal trust for this provider is pure zero.

[ivanas69]

It is strange but LIVE MONOPOLY stared give big prizes which we not seen long time after this 9600x.

Yesterday evening was 10x4R with result 480x total players 1335,amount won 1.2million euros.

Today morning was 8x5x2R with result 800x total players 721,amount won 0.86million euros.

Today evening 10x4R with result 970x total players 1457,amount won 2.5million euros.

[Stevej]

3 minutes ago, ivanas69 said:

It is strange but LIVE MONOPOLY stared give big prizes which we not seen long time after this 9600x.

Yesterday evening was 10x4R with result 480x total players 1335,amount won 1.2million euros.

Today morning was 8x5x2R with result 800x total players 721,amount won 0.86million euros.

Today evening 10x4R with result 970x total players 1457,amount won 2.5million euros.

Yes. That is exactly what I meant in my last message. They have absolutely control on this game.

[Ladyll80]

Hi all!

What happened today in Dreamcatcher. I was in the game and suddenly it was turned off and dreamcatcher went offline. In few minutes Dreamcatcher came online again with low amount of players 200-300 (before that it was 600 players). And few minutes after that it hit 7x7x40 = almost 2000x. Unluckily I didn't hit that, but took screenshot. After that win lots of player joined the game...

What is happening @Evolution Gaming Official???

[ivanas69]

Today we have 5 bonuses in 6 spins and 4 in row 4R,4R then 2R,2R.

[Jadnici]

On 30/04/2020 at 15:01, Slotspinner said:

Youll have to come up with some proper factual proof and not assumptions..

What kind of proof do you need? If there s a ton of people saying their bets were rejected are u saying that they all lie?

Could u explain to beloved people of this forum how come every year we see streamers uping stakes on slots? 

Did gambling suddenly became profitable bussines?

Could u explain to me situation from last year where Shirox and Casino Daddy had same f win on Jammin jars, same layout , same win x 

 

I worked 3 years in casino. Do you know that average rtp for Novomatic slots in Admiral casinos is around 90% with jackpots included so you are looking at around 6-7% illegally stolen from people and countrys dont give a shit because tax money is droping.

Maaaan! My coworker showed me image of a contract signed with another provider and they agreed on 80% rtp. 80!!!!!!!

 

[Slotspinner]

13 hours ago, Jadnici said:

What kind of proof do you need? If there s a ton of people saying their bets were rejected are u saying that they all lie?

Could u explain to beloved people of this forum how come every year we see streamers uping stakes on slots? 

Did gambling suddenly became profitable bussines?

Could u explain to me situation from last year where Shirox and Casino Daddy had same f win on Jammin jars, same layout , same win x 

 

I worked 3 years in casino. Do you know that average rtp for Novomatic slots in Admiral casinos is around 90% with jackpots included so you are looking at around 6-7% illegally stolen from people and countrys dont give a shit because tax money is droping.

Maaaan! My coworker showed me image of a contract signed with another provider and they agreed on 80% rtp. 80!!!!!!!

 

You need proof that its actually rigged, people being kicked from a game happens , maybe there was maintenance i dont know, how many people were kicked? i only see a handful of complaints, if it was thousand people kicked we would be flooded on all forums..

Jammin Jars has too few outcomes for a slotmachine which all are wins played out as a video (predetermined) this was discussed a long time ago and unfortunately they just didnt put enough different spin-outcomes into the game. This results in the posssibility to see the exact same sequence/win in this game again and it will happen again, it probably is happening all the time but not many stream

Slot streaming and affiliation surely can be profitable, and why do you keep coming up with landbased RTP? whats that got to do with anything

[Ladyll80]

57 minutes ago, Slotspinner said:

You need proof that its actually rigged, people being kicked from a game happens , maybe there was maintenance i dont know, how many people were kicked? i only see a handful of complaints, if it was thousand people kicked we would be flooded on all forums..
 

I see that you wanna defend casino business and game providers since it's probably your work, dunno. But the thing is that we, players who love casino games, don't wanna support unfair business. There are too many weird things happened in Evolution Gaming live games. Since it seems that gaming authorities can't control and regulate this business properly, casino players have to talk about it more openly.

My bet was rejected and I was pushed away from Dreamcatcher before it hit 2000x. What can I do? Well here I'm in the forum telling about and nobody gives a shit. Read youtube comments about rejected bets in Monopoly. Nobody cares and Evolution Gaming just continues scamming. 

[Skylined87]

WHY would they want to do such things from provider side, as it's already to their advantage? (RTP isn't just there for cosmetics, it's there to give an edge to casino & providers to be able to run the business)

Technology itself isn't perfect, yes there will be disconnects and rejected bets because the system didn't register it in time (due to latency or other technical factor). If regulators found just ONE game being "rigged" the game provider would most likely be out of business immediately. And yes sometimes the tinfoil can be strong

[kapisevicius]

On 30/04/2020 at 23:11, Stevej said:

Whatever you show to people there will always be 3000 players in Monopoly.

Don't spread misinformation. There are 3000-4000 players on Monopoly only in peak hours. In the morning it is below 2000 usually, before coronavirus it was waaaay below 2000 if I recall correctly.

 

On 30/04/2020 at 23:11, Stevej said:

There has to be a reason why Monopoly gets so much negative feedback.

Yes, there is a reason. People don't understand gambling. Monopoly chat is under fire like 24/7 by lunatic gamblers, no matter what happens. This game is really bad RTP, last year I played only a few times a month and I was winning almost every time (and I was hitting quite big multipliers), this year I was playing way more often and I haven't had single cash out despite the fact there was some nice multis. It is called variance.

On 30/04/2020 at 23:11, Stevej said:

Youtube is full of these infinitely spinning wheel videos and all weird shit related to Monopoly. And it's hosted from 90's love-ferry looking casino room in some eastern country, though Evo is a Swedish company. 😂 Why does it have to be like that? I'm sorry but my personal trust for this provider is pure zero.

At this point I begin to think you're just a troll.

 

A lot of you write that they give big multipliers deliberately only when no one is playing but y'all avoid the fact that 6400x happened at noon and 2920x happened during peak hours.

 

And by the way, we don't know how much bets is rejected during every round (on average), it is possible that amount of bets rejected before 9600x was the same as it is before every round - and it is logical that people start to complain only when it hits, not when they lose.

[Stevej]

Didn’t mean to troll. Just thinking it’s a bit comical.

Right. Let’s talk about maths and variance. Today I followed Sic Bo by Evolution Gaming. I joined a session and it was immediately 300-400 rolls without triples (I know because I saw the last one). Took hours. Odds for triples is 1:36. Maybe I happened to join in a very bad moment. Btw for some reason they are not providing long term stats for this game.
 

If you wanna calculate odds for triples not appearing in 300 rolls, it works like this: (35/36)^300. That’s 0,02% probability. I even made javascript rng app to check how often that scenario could happen. It’s a pseudo rng, but it’s fair enough to show the variance. I can link it later.

According to my app, that should happen about once in 30000-100000 rolls. I’ve seen 200-300 ”cold scenarios” almost in every session that I’ve followed a bit longer. I used to play this game quite much. I’m also very interested how the variance works in this game.

Please, try it. Take three dices. Throw it on a table and try to get 300 throws without having three same numbers. Tell me if you made it.

I asked another forum if Sic Bo is animated and computer rng calculated. It looks real. Someone answered me ”why would it be rng because it’s same thing with real dices”.

Well that’s exactly the thing I’m thinking here. Why do they have make everything feel fishy and scam?? They are saying it’s live casino, but in the end it seems to be just a computer based bullshit casino hidden in a live casino environment. That’s one really big problem with Evolution and it’s enough for me to say that they are just absolute scam. It feels that they are not ready to take any risks at all, and maybe not giving massive wins to many players is the only way to keep casinos to provide Evolution’s games on their sites.

 

[Stevej]

1 hour ago, Stevej said:

Didn’t mean to troll. Just thinking it’s a bit comical.

Right. Let’s talk about maths and variance. Today I followed Sic Bo by Evolution Gaming. I joined a session and it was immediately 300-400 rolls without triples (I know because I saw the last one). Took hours. Odds for triples is 1:36. Maybe I happened to join in a very bad moment. Btw for some reason they are not providing long term stats for this game.
 

If you wanna calculate odds for triples not appearing in 300 rolls, it works like this: (35/36)^300. That’s 0,02% probability. I even made javascript rng app to check how often that scenario could happen. It’s a pseudo rng, but it’s fair enough to show the variance. I can link it later.

According to my app, that should happen about once in 30000-100000 rolls. I’ve seen 200-300 ”cold scenarios” almost in every session that I’ve followed a bit longer. I used to play this game quite much. I’m also very interested how the variance works in this game.

Please, try it. Take three dices. Throw it on a table and try to get 300 throws without having three same numbers. Tell me if you made it.

I asked another forum if Sic Bo is animated and computer rng calculated. It looks real. Someone answered me ”why would it be rng because it’s same thing with real dices”.

Well that’s exactly the thing I’m thinking here. Why do they have make everything feel fishy and scam?? They are saying it’s live casino, but in the end it seems to be just a computer based bullshit casino hidden in a live casino environment. That’s one really big problem with Evolution and it’s enough for me to say that they are just absolute scam. It feels that they are not ready to take any risks at all, and maybe not giving massive wins to many players is the only way to keep casinos to provide Evolution’s games on their sites.

 

A little fix. 300 throws without triples happen once in 100000-300000 throws.

[ElJayDee]

I once was playing 0 neighbours on roulette(ladbrokes roulette) and it came 0 section 5 times in a row.

i proceeded to up my bet to around £400 a spin from £70.

it came in another 5 or 6 times in a row - however those 5 or 6 spins “bet not confirmed” on the 7th spin I up to £600 spin thinking if it does come in it’s huge.

 

bet confirms, number 8...

i would of made around 7/8k if those had confirmed. My signal never changed, I was in the same location at 4pm UK time.

 

coincidence ?

[Stevej]

37 minutes ago, ElJayDee said:

I once was playing 0 neighbours on roulette(ladbrokes roulette) and it came 0 section 5 times in a row.

i proceeded to up my bet to around £400 a spin from £70.

it came in another 5 or 6 times in a row - however those 5 or 6 spins “bet not confirmed” on the 7th spin I up to £600 spin thinking if it does come in it’s huge.

 

Well it seems that you haven't read my previous message about Monopoly variance and you didn't understand my point from mathematical perspective, I just attach one picture here and say that I'm AGAIN third time in this same day watching Evolution Gaming Sic Bo with 300 throws without one triple. It means that they have absolute control of their games and they can manipulate the variance to be bigger that it actually is. Of course it's understandable to do that on table games meaning that people keep on betting that specific number until they loose all money.

But hey, everybody can do whatever they want with their money. As much as I love casino games and understand that players will always lose, personally I don't want to be scammed.

[Blacksheep]

I agree that nowadays it's quite challenging to take seriously these big wins from Evo.

 

[arnybo_34]

This reminds me of the casino scene from Blackbeard’s Ghost

 

[sambe96]

On 30/04/2020 at 16:01, Slotspinner said:

Youll have to come up with some proper factual proof and not assumptions..

Even you are slot streamer, you know this is rigged lmao.